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Knock on wood we only need 1-2 injuries to forwards to be in dire need of backup. You don't trade A grade talent if you can help it to save on cap space.
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ossie_21
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Because you said the club doesn’t pay his wages, indicating it doesn’t really impact the club..when obviously it does.
I’m sure I don’t, or shouldn’t, need to explain the post you made in response to someone questioning why he was signed to a lucrative deal if they knew of his issues (before they came to a head)
Where did I indicate that?
I responded to someone who said " The club is not responsible for how he is acting, but is responsible to us the supporters who pay their wages." which as I pointed out is not true as members nor the club pay his wages,
A 2 year 750-800k contract whilst a lot of money to you and me isn't lucrative and in fact shows the club had done their due diligence not to lock him up long term
Each AFL club is responsible for paying the wages of its players, with the total amount they can spend governed by the salary cap.
Why are you saying the AFL pay? Do you mean indirectly through the AFL club distributions?
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The only way we get anything decent for him is if the AFL step in and they won’t. Talk of 2 first rounders for him is delusional at this point. Lube up, grab a stick to bite down on and brace for the pain…. My only hope is he goes anywhere except Geelong. I’ll accept any trade from anyone except from those utter arsehats.
Maybe this is the wake up call needed for the AFL to rebalance the respective contract power held between players and clubs.
Maybe this is the wake up call needed for the AFL to rebalance the respective contract power held between players and clubs.
lachy
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This is a question not an opinion based on any fact as keeping him or trading him both has significant risks so I ask:
If this is having an impact on the playing group as there is clear evidence it did for last years final, and it must be given both resources and focus of leaders constantly being questioned, what is the cost of not trading him and allowing this to fester??
I say this and this is all second hand and based on media reports and second hand information, but keeping Hunter for his playing ability likely cost us Dunkley, and the first warning flag for Smith was when he picked up Hunter after his car 'accident'.
Stringer's behavior led to a significant drop in form and attitude. Both left and never turned things around at their new clubs, in fact Stringer despite having a year on his contract and 43 goals was traded to GWS for a bag of chips.
We have enough normal football issues with injuries, I am not sure how long this can drag on without significantly impacting our year, therefore ask the question.
If this is having an impact on the playing group as there is clear evidence it did for last years final, and it must be given both resources and focus of leaders constantly being questioned, what is the cost of not trading him and allowing this to fester??
I say this and this is all second hand and based on media reports and second hand information, but keeping Hunter for his playing ability likely cost us Dunkley, and the first warning flag for Smith was when he picked up Hunter after his car 'accident'.
Stringer's behavior led to a significant drop in form and attitude. Both left and never turned things around at their new clubs, in fact Stringer despite having a year on his contract and 43 goals was traded to GWS for a bag of chips.
We have enough normal football issues with injuries, I am not sure how long this can drag on without significantly impacting our year, therefore ask the question.
lachy
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They are indirectly funded via the distribution. The minimum distribution to even the wealthiest club is based on a percentage of the Salary Cap. For clubs like us it is the entire cap. It is how the Salary is determined in the CBA negotiations
What we raise funds our soft cap and other operating expenses. Granted this is a simplistic explanation, but it is why players are contracted and signed off via the AFL
Don’t think it matters because he’s almost definitely getting traded.
But I don’t think the cap space is much of a factor. Who are we getting with that money instead? Who did we get by saving the Dunkley and Smith money?
we don’t really get A graders though trades or FA. Butters isn’t walking through the doors. If we hit on a draft pick at an A grader level we should be just about bending over backwards to keep them.
Given that we aren’t a destination club, we shouldn’t so readily be turning out talents because they’re headaches. It will be very difficult to actually come out ahead or draw even in any trade involving Jamarra and a club he actually okays a trade to - it won’t be west coast or some other cellar dweller. It’ll be the swans or cats. There is a slim chance we could get involved in the Warner deal, but even then, Sydney might offer us the worst of their first round picks.
Resigned to it, but there will be ramifications felt when you lose Dunkley, Smith and JuH in short order with so far underwhelming returns. This is what has happened to the suns and kept them irrelevant.
if the offers are shit, we should be willing to have him on the list next season. But the current situation seems very mutual. I don’t think the club is that upset with him not being around. Assuming they told him not to come on Friday or that they just assumed he wouldn’t. The writing was on the wall with Bailey Smith when we ticked off a trip to Europe - his bags were packed at that stage and not just for his trip. It’s on the wall for Marra but in bigger, bold lettering. We just don’t like having these kinds of situations around the club. Other clubs are more tolerant of misbehaving players.
Sacking him would be very unwise unless Bont threatens to leave over the situation or something equally crazy.
But I don’t think the cap space is much of a factor. Who are we getting with that money instead? Who did we get by saving the Dunkley and Smith money?
we don’t really get A graders though trades or FA. Butters isn’t walking through the doors. If we hit on a draft pick at an A grader level we should be just about bending over backwards to keep them.
Given that we aren’t a destination club, we shouldn’t so readily be turning out talents because they’re headaches. It will be very difficult to actually come out ahead or draw even in any trade involving Jamarra and a club he actually okays a trade to - it won’t be west coast or some other cellar dweller. It’ll be the swans or cats. There is a slim chance we could get involved in the Warner deal, but even then, Sydney might offer us the worst of their first round picks.
Resigned to it, but there will be ramifications felt when you lose Dunkley, Smith and JuH in short order with so far underwhelming returns. This is what has happened to the suns and kept them irrelevant.
if the offers are shit, we should be willing to have him on the list next season. But the current situation seems very mutual. I don’t think the club is that upset with him not being around. Assuming they told him not to come on Friday or that they just assumed he wouldn’t. The writing was on the wall with Bailey Smith when we ticked off a trip to Europe - his bags were packed at that stage and not just for his trip. It’s on the wall for Marra but in bigger, bold lettering. We just don’t like having these kinds of situations around the club. Other clubs are more tolerant of misbehaving players.
Sacking him would be very unwise unless Bont threatens to leave over the situation or something equally crazy.
lachy
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What are the examples of other clubs being more tolerant of misbehaving players?
I can think of many who were punished and told if they didn't change they would be gone, but which players were other clubs more tolerant with?
Not showing up for the game and instead going out and then posting it. He's not a 12 yr old, he knows that was an act of disrespect. I don't believe for 1 second he was clueless as to it being anything but.
He's not walking around going "derr I didn't know that not showing support for my mates and being there for them on a monumental occasion was disrespectful!?"
I remember when we got him and Bevo made him wait for debut. He spat the dummy over that and made it well known he wasn't happy then.
He's ungrateful and disrespectful and he's fully conscious of his actions. Get rid of him.
He's not walking around going "derr I didn't know that not showing support for my mates and being there for them on a monumental occasion was disrespectful!?"
I remember when we got him and Bevo made him wait for debut. He spat the dummy over that and made it well known he wasn't happy then.
He's ungrateful and disrespectful and he's fully conscious of his actions. Get rid of him.
Dog 36
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One thing to keep in the back of our minds is that many clubs know exactly the JUH situation and what is going on. Club people know people at all clubs and have good rapport with each other.
JUH may be in for a shock if he wants to leave as clubs are very careful whom they bring in their doors.
JUH may be in for a shock if he wants to leave as clubs are very careful whom they bring in their doors.
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- Oct 30, 2014
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Many! All clubs know what he has been up to and what he is like. Unfortunately for us he is worth about what Harley Bennell was worth once his problems were, weighed up against his ability/potential.
Unfortunately many high picks are busts. The pity is everyone can see the ability and potential. Most busts are because of other factors, not what we are witnessing.
For some context Pick 16 and Pick 35 were traded for Bennell and Pick 22.
Not sure what his contract status was and probably key forwards are worth extra.
The funny thing is, is that clubs will lowball for trade capital and contract size.
JUH might be forced to take less money to go elsewhere. I’m not sure he takes that.
Thought he was a bellend from when he was first drafted but was happy to go easy on him due to his age (lots of 18 year olds are knobs, most grow out of it)
Unfortunately, seems like nothing's changed
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We have an arrangement with Marra and his management regarding his training.
It seems premature to even talk about sacking him now.
grassman75
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This has Essendon written all over it
I’d take that know he will never haunt us then
grassman75
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I meant in the fact that they are so desperate to win a final and get rid of that monkey….just don’t tell them about his last final
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Bombers supporter growing up too, if that holds any weight.
Nah I know that I’m just saying like Stringer I am happy with that
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Personal issues are one thing. Taking the piss out of the club and creating a weekly distraction is another.
Sure, we don’t know the full story. But personal issues are often just bollocks in Teflon AFL land. Often a smokescreen for self-inflicted misdemeanours. Don’t piss down our backs and tell us it’s raining.
If going to other sporting events and getting on the gas all fall under personal issues, then personal issues sound more like a well-paid gap year than anything else.
Dom Brew busted his arse all summer and missed out on a spot to live his dream, perhaps rightly so. But he was doing more than at least 1 other on our list through that time.
Sure, we don’t know the full story. But personal issues are often just bollocks in Teflon AFL land. Often a smokescreen for self-inflicted misdemeanours. Don’t piss down our backs and tell us it’s raining.
If going to other sporting events and getting on the gas all fall under personal issues, then personal issues sound more like a well-paid gap year than anything else.
Dom Brew busted his arse all summer and missed out on a spot to live his dream, perhaps rightly so. But he was doing more than at least 1 other on our list through that time.
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Cam McCarthy got pick 3 (with 7 in return) when traded to Freo despite sitting out a year. Andrew Lovett got pick 16 for Essendon when he joined St Kilda. JUH hasn’t committed any crimes as far as anyone knows. If he says he wants to play, there will be 15 clubs lining up to talk to him. Our job is to get him to a good place, then make sure he doesn’t screw us by nominating one club. If he must go, the ideal scenario is that he’s open to multiple clubs giving us some negotiating power.
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