The Jamarra Thread

[Unorth]

The longer he doesn't play footy, the harder it will be to come back. If he ever wants to. There would be so much more to overcome, especially the scrutiny from all sides.

We should be letting Jamarra, the AFL and his manager know that we will be prepared to keep him on the list for another year, and he can miss 2 years of footy for no real reason, and see what happens to his career.

We aren’t ruthless like that though and will probably cave. It’ll be something like JUH and a 2nd for a first that we can try and spin as a win.

 

[Philthy1]

We should be letting Jamarra, the AFL and his manager know that we will be prepared to keep him on the list for another year, and he can miss 2 years of footy for no real reason, and see what happens to his career.

We aren’t ruthless like that though and will probably cave. It’ll be something like JUH and a 2nd for a first that we can try and spin as a win.

That's not gonna happen.

Listen to what Bevo said last night. He said we will do what's best for the player and the club.

 

[ossie_21]

If Jammara goes Brisbane we need to try get Kai Lohmann, I don’t know who I’d want from Sydney that’s a realistic chance. Neither of them will probably have decent draft picks.

If it’s Sydney, I’d take absolutely nothing if they can guarantee they could get their fans to shut the **** up about getting beaten in 2016

 

[Doggy]

Warner leaving would certainly help their currency hand.

If Jamarra doesn't play a game for the rest of the year, the absolute best we could hope for is a singular first rounder around pick 10. There's too much risk for clubs but there will certainly be a few that would be lining up.

Warner isn't leaving

 

[Ash1337]

If Jammara goes Brisbane we need to try get Kai Lohmann, I don’t know who I’d want from Sydney that’s a realistic chance. Neither of them will probably have decent draft picks.

Hanily is out of contract. Has played ok. Will be steak knives in a deal. Sheldrick also out of contract but a WA boy. Justin McInerney has a year left and the 1 that should be the primary target. McInerney would command a late first early 2nd.
They have a F/S coming in this year in Max King. Their first if a late 1 might need to be traded anyways.

 

[Unorth]

That's not gonna happen.

Listen to what Bevo said last night. He said we will do what's best for the player and the club.

Yep, that’s what he said and what will happen, it might win us some karma points but it’s not how you maximise the value of your under contract asset.

We might even shout him the uber to the airport. But actively pushing out a contracted player takes away any leverage gained from the fact he’s contracted. We got Treloar on the cheap this way.

The too hard basket is the easier choice and the one we tend to take.

 

[cecil]

It's not as much of an issue if JUH chooses to go to a strong club from a trade perspective as you can now trade picks 2 years in advance.

Even if he'd retained his value we could swap JUH for 3 first rounders with picks going back.

 

[Doggstats]

Connor's managed players sure love to use the 'mental health' card don't they..

Looking back it was a big red flag when Bailey Smith told interstate clubs not to draft him because of his "mental health". He even went as far as obtaining a doctor's certificate stating that moving interstate could negatively impact his 'mental health'.
Then Smith, Oliver and Jamarra have all used the 'mental health' card to take indefinite leave from their clubs.

It really does a disservice to the many AFL players who are actually battling serious mental health problems.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

It's not as much of an issue if JUH chooses to go to a strong club from a trade perspective as you can now trade picks 2 years in advance.

Even if he'd retained his value we could swap JUH for 3 first rounders with picks going back.

I have a faint hope of that happening.

 

[Dogsman16]

This could be quite possibly the most complex potential trade in AFL history.

Fit and firing JUH would field offers of 1.2mil per season. 2 x First rounders the starting point of the trade.

Right now he’s barely worth a 2 year /600k a season offer. Does he really wish to move clubs (or even interstate if required) to receive average AFL wage?

If the AFL won’t allow us to sack him, then the correct advice from his management is to sort his shit, reload for 2026 and get your big offer when out of contract. JUH doesn’t look anywhere near capable of managing that though.

 

[A dog in Qld]

I haven't seen much in any of this that indicates he actually wants to play footy anywhere?

Too true ... if he sits out the year and keeps rubbing people's face in the mud there will not be too many sane clubs who'd spend their hard he earned on him.
Based on what is being reported you'd have to question whether he or wants to turn it around ... and what club would take a punt on a fella who obviously is quite fragile & immature.
If we can't off load him and doesn't come onboard i'd play hard ball & wait until the SSP of 2026 ends and terminate his contract.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I'm already resigned to the fact that we'll only get one first rounder maybe with something thrown in at best for Jamarra.

I just hope we can get him up playing at some stage, it would improve our position a lot.

 

[Northernsoul74]

We should be letting Jamarra, the AFL and his manager know that we will be prepared to keep him on the list for another year, and he can miss 2 years of footy for no real reason, and see what happens to his career.

We aren’t ruthless like that though and will probably cave. It’ll be something like JUH and a 2nd for a first that we can try and spin as a win.

I get the sentiment but I wouldn’t want to be paying his full wages to do nothing for 2 years.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Let’s say we could find a way to “sack” him. What would JUH options be next year, would he just nominate for the draft?

 

[DognBones]

This is all so depressing. This saga points to a whole season of constant speculation and distraction. Assuming that JUH is not with us next year the club must come up with a strategy to mitigate the on-going damage. I'm sure they have already made plans (A, B and C) and hopefully very soon we can all put this out of minds and focus on what really matters.

 

[Dogsman16]

I’m hopeful the club allows him to play (at VFL level) at the soonest opportunity.

Playing 20 games of football this year (at whatever level) gives Jamarra options. The longer this drags out the less options he has.

If he opts out of playing then that’s on him, and the club should act in its best interests and its best interests alone.

I’d also make it public that Jamarra is ready for VFL selection as early as next week. Puts the ball squarely in JUH court.

The narrative needs to change as much as anything.

 

[go_sports_team]

This is all so depressing. This saga points to a whole season of constant speculation and distraction. Assuming that JUH is not with us next year the club must come up with a strategy to mitigate the on-going damage. I'm sure they have already made plans (A, B and C) and hopefully very soon we can all put this out of minds and focus on what really matters.

It's just so shit considering the rest of the club seem to be gelling so well and punching above their weight with all our injuries. Feels like this disharmony will spill over to the team at some point and we'll have performances we don't understand like against the Weagles in late 23.

 

[Mojorisin]

Let’s say we could find a way to “sack” him. What would JUH options be next year, would he just nominate for the draft?

You can't just sack him. A severance needs to be agreed upon. It could be something where we pay out less and he can nominate at season end to join a club as a DFA or they could come to terms that the club pay out closer to the total contract and he sits out the life of the contract.

 

[LondonBulldog]

We just have to sit tight and hope he comes around. No point sacking him, we get nothing for it. There will still be plenty of clubs ready to take him next year. Problem is Marra knows this and this is my issue. There is no recourse for breaking contracts. Dogs are just playing the game at the moment. It's a shame but all you can do is turn a bad situation into a good with a trade or draft picks. Try to be understanding on the outside.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

You can't just sack him. A severance needs to be agreed upon. It could be something where we pay out less and he can nominate at season end to join a club as a DFA or they could come to terms that the club pay out closer to the total contract and he sits out the life of the contract.

I have no idea how AFL contracts work but there has to be conditions to be met within a contract. A contract that can't be breached isn't a contract. And there has to be recourse to a breach of contract.

Like he surely can't simply not attend training without consent or illness. Same with matches be it VFL or AFL.

If he's actually taking the piss then play him as the VFL sub every week, and don't even play him.

 

[Dogs 13]

I think Marra has lost interest in playing AFL, it is simply that. He will milk his payments as long as he can,until he is eventually let go, possibly with a negotiated severance payment.

I don’t think he is interested in playing for another club. Possibly a few years facing the 9-5 reality, might make him reassess, but for now he is lost to footy.

He must have so many other career options lined up.
With his vast experience in the business world or on the tools the world’s his oyster.

 

[maddog37]

At least it gives us plenty to read about.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Player managers.
We're delusional if we think we can just not touch players who have Connors (or whoever) as their manager. If we do we're likely to exclude ourselves from nearly 50% of the top 20 draft candidates each year. Not to mention trades.

I'm not saying that no management company is manipulative, underhand or conniving but the club has almost no power to change the way these things operate. If the managers push for players to leave small clubs and have no sympathy for those clubs it's just another shit situation. We're swimming against the outgoing tide in the Shit Creek estuary.

And someone suggested these behaviours and recurring incidents would be bad PR for the agency. FFS, why? They are getting their players exactly what they want and quite possibly advising them the best tactics to facilitate each exit. If anything it'd really be boosting their appeal for prospective clients.

True, but if it is a recurrent player manager issue (no idea if it is) then we could make public statements that the club hold serious concerns about drafting players under Connor Management due to repeated failures of ethics or whatever, then that would be damaging to them. It would make some kids and parents think twice.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I’m hopeful the club allows him to play (at VFL level) at the soonest opportunity.

Playing 20 games of football this year (at whatever level) gives Jamarra options. The longer this drags out the less options he has.

If he opts out of playing then that’s on him, and the club should act in its best interests and its best interests alone.

I’d also make it public that Jamarra is ready for VFL selection as early as next week. Puts the ball squarely in JUH court.

The narrative needs to change as much as anything.

I think Jamarra going full Fred Fanning in the VFL for a stretch would be enough to stir interest.

 

[Dog 36]

True, but if it is a recurrent player manager issue (no idea if it is) then we could make public statements that the club hold serious concerns about drafting players under Connor Management due to repeated failures of ethics or whatever, then that would be damaging to them. It would make some kids and parents think twice.

Don’t be surprised if his management company have had enough of his antics.