Prediction The lid

[goyoucatters]

I am and I'm not.

I get all that - was genuinely happy for Rochmond in 2017 and thought Cochin's QF last quarter goal when they thumped us was the moment of the finals.

Loved Footscray, Sydney and Melbourne breaking their droughts - even when it involved going through us.

I'm not hyper partisan by any stretch.

But part of following sport is weird visceral reactions that make no sense.

There's something about Hawthorn I almost always dislike. Yet weirdly, I'm at peace with '08 and I'm glad Crawford got a medal.

I'm pretty level headed about opposition teams in all sports and have second and third teams - I was happy when Leicester City beat my team and ended their faint title hopes in 2015/16, on their way to probably the greatest achievement in professional sport that year.

So yeah, those visceral emotional reactions to a jumper with no other logical basis are kind of what make sport worth following.

I didn't like him at Hawthorn and I love him now. Makes no sense, and it's stupid. But it's true.

I bet if Selwood played for Hawthorn his entire career there'd be a very different reaction to his free kicks for on this forum. Or if Sam Mitchell had been drafted by Geelong.

We all have those weird logical blind spots in what is an emtional pursuit. It's the appeal of sport!

But yeah I was just going for a cheap "hope Smith gets one that counts" joke and I've derailed the thread enough!

I'm more talking about the concept of admiring opposition players than being pleased for opposition teams. Hard to imagine too many people who have been blessed to support clubs that have won flags in their lifetime that begrudge the drought-breaking triumphs of the Swans, Dogs, Tigers and Dees in recent years.

Which means, related to the point you raised here, I imagine I would been frustrated if Sels had been carrying the Hawks on his back to victories over the Cats for the past 15 seasons. But, like I do with someone like Cripps now, I would have also put my hand up and admitted he was a great player that I truly admired.

I can't say I ever enjoy watching players from across the comp perform more than I enjoy real success for the Cats. But without an ability to appreciate the phenonemenal talent and dedication of certain players from all clubs, I just find my enjoyment of the sport is diminished to some degree.

Each to their own, of course.

 

[barmy44]

I'm more talking about the concept of admiring opposition players than being pleased for opposition teams. Hard to imagine too many people who have been blessed to support clubs that have won flags in their lifetime that begrudge the drought-breaking triumphs of the Swans, Dogs, Tigers and Dees in recent years.

Which means, related to the point you raised here, I imagine I would been frustrated if Sels had been carrying the Hawks on his back to victories over the Cats for the past 15 seasons. But, like I do with someone like Cripps now, I would have also put my hand up and admitted he was a great player that I truly admired.

I can't say I ever enjoy watching players from across the comp perform more than I enjoy real success for the Cats. But without an ability to appreciate the phenonemenal talent and dedication of certain players from all clubs, I just find my enjoyment of the sport is diminished to some degree.

Each to their own, of course.

The point has been lost... I agree with the above 100%.

I'd rather not be misunderstood.

I admired Sam Mitchell as a footballer. I thought he was also a bit of a thug. If he played for Geelong with an identical acreer and actions, I reckon I'd have called him "tough but fair".

I reckon most Hawks fan would refer to Selwood as "first to the ball" as opposed to initiating high contact if he played for them.

We all do it - justify actions of our guys that we don't like to see from other teams. All humans have cognitive bias, and sport reveals a lot of them.

Otherwise, yeah I admire and enjoy watching players I "dislike" who are objectively brilliant at playing footy. And I have no logical basis for that dislike other than the jumper colours (in some cases, anyway).

It isn't about lack of admiration or respect or watching Mitchell lace 50 metre bullets off both feet etc and not recognising brilliance.

If you don't admire and appreciate brilliant opposition players, you're doing sport wrong.

If you don't love things your own guys do that you also hate the opposition doing for ko other reason than it is or isn't your team, you're also doing sport wrong.

Anyway, sorry for overdoing it.

And I still hope Smith can finally get that elusive premiership medal he can be proud of

 

[goyoucatters]

I admired Sam Mitchell as a footballer. I thought he was also a bit of a thug. If he played for Geelong with an identical acreer and actions, I reckon I'd have called him "tough but fair".

I'd have called him a quality player who was prone to some disappointing acts that ultimately diminished his reputation. Just like I've been genuinely lost for words and incredibly frustrated at some of the on-field acts of our own players over my time following the Cats. Guess I'm just a little less into the "he's ours, he's great; he's not, he's a clown" mentality than some others might be. They're all just footballers and I try to call all of their efforts (and all of their antics) just as I see them, regardless of the guernsey they're wearing.

Anyway, about that lid...

 

[barmy44]

I'd have called him a quality player who was prone to some disappointing acts that ultimately diminished his reputation. Just like I've been genuinely lost for words and incredibly frustrated at some of the on-field acts of our own players over my time following the Cats. Guess I'm just a little less into the "he's ours, he's great; he's not, he's a clown" mentality than some others might be. They're all just footballers and I try to call of their efforts (and all of their antics) just as I see them, regardless of the guernsey they're wearing.

Anyway, about that lid...

Fair enough.. Liverpool FC annoy the hell out of me, largely because they're so f***ing good.

Same with Hawthorn... though they're rubbish right now.

I'm capable of both baffling rationality (I strangely enjoyed the 2017 QF against Richmond and RM's spectacular Champions League SF comeback against my team, as two examples) and visceral emotional reactions based on tribalism alone.

I'm sure we can all come up with our own both ways.

Often the better certain opposition is, the stronger the dislike. Funny that.

Wouldn't change it!

And yeah, the lid's off and gone btw - David King said so.

 

[dazbroncos]

So about that lid…..


Go Catters

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So about that lid…..


Go Catters

What lid?

Geelong is winning the 2023 premiership and I'm sick of pretending there's other teams that are a chance.

possibly not accurate

 

[catempire]

So about that lid…..


Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

What lid?

Geelong is winning the 2023 premiership and I'm sick of pretending there's other teams that are a chance.

possibly not accurate

Back to back !?

Go Catters

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Back to back !?

Go Catters

Easiest threepeat ever tm

Edit: I don't know how to superscript so this is what you get for a trademark logo

 

[No Quarter]

On the subject to 2023..

And by all means, I have little faith in our ability to win 22 though I am quietly growing some confidence to myself by enjoying every win as it comes lately.

..If we brought in 50% of the players were eyeballing for 23 then it would be hard not to have us in a challenging position next year either.

In that, it is hard to not just have serious adoration for the club.

Though, if we go out in straight sets this year, I'm sure there'll be quite the sour taste about our strategies as there has been in years gone by (which I don't share - I love the fact we contend year after year)..

 

[Phipppppa]

What lid?

Geelong is winning the 2023 premiership and I'm sick of pretending there's other teams that are a chance.

possibly not accurate

But what about 2022?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

But what about 2022?

That too, please see follow up post about easiest threepeat ever

 

[Scottland2007]

Sorry if already posted

 

[JohnZ]

But what about 2022?

The start of our fourpeat

 

[allrighty]

bump

 

[CatToTheFuture]

bump

You can't bump something that ain't there.... namely the lid

 

[allrighty]

I'd have called him a quality player who was prone to some disappointing acts that ultimately diminished his reputation. Just like I've been genuinely lost for words and incredibly frustrated at some of the on-field acts of our own players over my time following the Cats. Guess I'm just a little less into the "he's ours, he's great; he's not, he's a clown" mentality than some others might be. They're all just footballers and I try to call all of their efforts (and all of their antics) just as I see them, regardless of the guernsey they're wearing.

Anyway, about that lid...

Same with politics isn't it? We give free pass to our side and anything at all the other side does is scandalous. Confirmation bias in action right there.

I do the same every time I watch the Cats.

 

[allrighty]

You can't bump something that ain't there.... namely the lid

Sorry as the OP I have unfettered powers in this thread, notwithstanding the mods.

 

[goyoucatters]

Same with politics isn't it? We give free pass to our side and anything at all the other side does is scandalous. Confirmation bias in action right there.

Sorry, but I'll have to claim to be different there as well. While I generally vote consistently on one side of the political divide, the behaviour of people on both sides nauseates me greatly at times. And I'm never hesitant to point out the failings of those I would otherwise supposedly 'support', in the hope that there might be an improvement in standards and accountability as a result. Truly try to call it as I see it, and make it about the issue and not the people involved.

Having said that, I do agree that confirmation bias is everywhere. And all of us will truly suffer from it at times, despite our best efforts to remain objective and unemotional in considering the merits of certain issues and individuals.

 

[allrighty]

Sorry, but I'll have to claim to be different there as well. While I generally vote consistently on one side of the political divide, the behaviour of people on both sides nauseates me greatly at times. And I'm never hesitant to point out the failings of those I would otherwise supposedly 'support', in the hope that there might be an improvement in standards and accountability as a result. Truly try to call it as I see it, and make it about the issue and not the people involved.

Having said that, I do agree that confirmation bias is everywhere. And all of us will truly suffer from it at times, despite our best efforts to remain objective and unemotional in considering the merits of certain issues and individuals.

Nice reply and agree fully

 

[Wojcinski]

I reckon it's just entered Jupiter's orbit

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Lid can garngit ****ed

 

[Toe Poke]

The lid was showing signs of coming ajar late on Friday evening, so I welded it shut.
It shall remain shut until the afternoon of Saturday 24th at the very earliest.

 

[Heckler]

I predicted they would need to rebuild with kids
they did... but not the way I thought it would go.
The kids proved to be way better than I imagined.
They may go all the to holding that coveted cup aloft

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Lid's still on. Probably will be until the final siren, unless we've miles in front (or miles behind!)