The Manager Merry-go-Round

[Jatz]

Do you think the supporter base will accept just being a 4th to 8th floater?

What's their alternative? They accept what they're given.

 

[jd2010]

That's strange, you seemed shocked that I tipped Spurs to beat Everton.

It was ballsy which was my reaction. We've shown not a heap to show that level of confidence in us. Mine was more fan hope against an awful attack. I didn't see who you'd already chosen but I would have thought there were 4-5 better picks than us even in a game I thought we'd be unlikely to lose in

 

[jd2010]

What's their alternative? They accept what they're given.

Exactly.

4-8k empty seats at the stadium when we are 15th shows this acceptance. Even relegated I'd imagine weekend fixtures would close to sell out

 

[jd2010]

I would be worried with Leeds playing Gray at cb in the Champ. Don’t get me wrong I think the kid has done ok considering but that’s very tough ask on a kid but there’s no one else. Dragusin is ok at times but can be all over the place sometimes. Think he would be more consistent without high line

Having said that picking back three for todays game cost them badly first half

He's actually been good at LCB in a back 4. Good might be in relative terms next to Dragusin. But today was the first game I've seen him look all at sea and awful in that opening 45 mins.

 

[jd2010]

Do you think the supporter base will accept just being a 4th to 8th floater?

Not when they are paying the most expensive tickets in the world and see the chairmen take out pay day after pay day.

But ENIC wont sell. Us in 15th is still good business for them. We are a cost centre within a company that is profitable on us being somewhere in the PL.

They'd rather us be less profitable and have favourable margins and 7-15th than invest properly in the wage bill and squad and have us compete for trophies.

 

[jd2010]

We had in 22/23 the lowest wages as a % of turnover in the league by some way at 46% of 550m of turnover.

We've since then lowered our wage bill by close to 400k per week shifting on Kane, Perisic, Dier and Lloris and replacing them with Solanke, Udogie, Dragusin & Vicario.

We've also seen ticket prices go up. A hotel and go-kart stadium revenue go up. Concert and event revenue go up.

The 23/24 books is going to see that % drop further when realistically it should be around the 55-60% mark if the club had ambition. That's an extra 50-70m a season we'd be spending on wages.

So what's that all mean? We are ****ed whether it's Ange, Iraola, Poch, Conte, Mourinho, Terzic under this ownership regime. But Ange is the fall guy for it, like many others have been over the last 20 years.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Do you think the supporter base will accept just being a 4th to 8th floater?

I have. No change of owner that wants to compete fairly will achieve better.

But if relegation cleansed us if all the turds in the fanbase... Silver linings.

Not when they are paying the most expensive tickets in the world and see the chairmen take out pay day after pay day.

But ENIC wont sell. Us in 15th is still good business for them. We are a cost centre within a company that is profitable on us being somewhere in the PL.

They'd rather us be less profitable and have favourable margins and 7-15th than invest properly in the wage bill and squad and have us compete for trophies.

They could cut Levy's wage in half and slash season tickets by 10-20% and it'd at most shave 20m off. And having spent €750m in the last 5 years trying to use those two things is hilarious. Insignificant in the extreme.

You can't keep ignoring inconvenient facts while dribbling on about a lack of investment and backing managers. That charge ceased being able to be leveled in Summer 2019.

What's their alternative? They accept what they're given.

How many FFP charges your ambitious club got now?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Increasing the wage bill as a % just to move up some graph will only serve to give the same problems United, and to a lesser extent Chelsea have had. Overpaying players not quite good enough which inhibits being able to move them on later.

Increasing the wage bill would have to rely upon actually being successful in acquiring world class talent that usually go to the recently successful bigger clubs.

 

[Hamingja]

People can blame injuries, but Ange's game plan causes those injuries. Celtic had soft tissue issues when he was in charge also, just they were in a 2 team league. He's also incredibly stubborn, the high line was so easily exploited even by a shit team like Everton.

Celtic did the first year under Ange until the players were conditioned to it. Second year was fine.

I thought Ange might be able to just cling on with a non descript mid table finish but 15th only 8 clear from the drop zone, he is in big trouble now.

 

[Hamingja]

As far as the wage bill goes, Rangers had a bigger wage bill than Celtic in the year Ange won the treble. It doesn't mean a lot.

 

[jd2010]

As far as the wage bill goes, Rangers had a bigger wage bill than Celtic in the year Ange won the treble. It doesn't mean a lot.

Apples and oranges.

2-horse race, if the other mob are rat shit with their money it's irrelevant.

Not saying Ange needs to be spending the most on wages in the league. But spending the smallest % of revenue and being a little bare bones with where its at right now isnt his fault.

But he'll pay the price for it. As will the next guy in 2027 or 2028, if they are lucky to not get the sack next year.

 

[moomba]

As far as the wage bill goes, Rangers had a bigger wage bill than Celtic in the year Ange won the treble. It doesn't mean a lot.

Wage bill is a huge factor in success in England.

 

[chef]

Here you go DBAH0

 

[DBAH0]

Here you go DBAH0

Steidten is gone I think, Sully wants to recreate the Brighton model.

 

[chef]

 

[RossFC]

 

[DBAH0]

Going to get a bit ugly I suspect.