The new campaign against Dank

[LoungeLizard]

There could be a number of reasons for Gil saying what he did. I'm going to go with protecting the AFL.

"How can the players sue us… they were duped by others. If they were duped and were right in amongst it how is the AFL in any position to do anything about what happened at arms length".

It doesn't matter what Gil says, that's not going to stop players suing if that's what the advice they get from their legals.
I also think if the players were duped that they would have a better case.
But for mine the only way they were duped if they were told thay were getting something different than they signed for.
So the EFC better have something to show for the thymosin they signed for

 

[Jimthegreat]

It's pretty simple.

People here detest Dank. He is what he is, though. His fables, his theories, his grand plan all clearly observable for its idiocy and negligence.

Hird is the real meat and veg of the story though, the guy pretending to know nothing about any of it, while taking the investigating bodies to court to have thier evidence thwarted.

I guess you could liken him to your classic movie villain. Hiding behind a facade. While Dank's the moral-less henchman who was given an opportunity to take advantage of good people with his shitty ways.

There would be some amusement in an "insufficient evidence" finding in that Hird wasted a 7 figure sum on nothing...lol.

 

[LanceRomance]

There would be some amusement in an "insufficient evidence" finding in that Hird wasted a 7 figure sum on nothing...lol.

Never thought about that

Would bring some lols

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If it's truly an independent tribunal, he wouldn't have any. He can feel sorry for the players all he wants, but sympathy for their plight really shouldn't be swaying judges with decades of experience who have no doubt heard "but he's a good bloke" story many times.

WADA is watching very closely, they'll take this to CAS past light speed if Gil is trying to get them off. Doubt the tribunal members will risk ruining their rep either. In the grand scheme of things the AFL is only a sporting organisation.

Yep just like Cronulla

 

[Jobe Watson]

So you know all Hawthorn supporters do you? Wow. You must know a lot of people.

lolz. You clearly don't know the joke.

Before our game vs. Hawthorn in 2013, a Hawks supporter started a thread on the Hawks board imploring his fellow supporters not to buy anything from the concession stand because it was an Essendon home game and we'd get extra money from it (can't have the drug cheats doing that). Then other people suggested turning their backs on the Essendon players when they run out, making anti-Essendon signs to bring to the game, etc.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I think he is reliable in everything but his optimism.

When he has something factual he tends to be right.

Imo. If there was insufficient evidence and that had been the verdict... we would know by now.

on the contrary if there was sufficient evidence we would know by now.

 

[gavaniacono]

No it won't.


I reckon People will call the bombers drug cheats for the next generation regardless of the reality.

Well, one or two might, but not most. I bet you a couple of thousand bucks by 2017 it will rarely be mentioned.

 

[I Remember Bluey]

So brave. So rogue.

I like a mod who is So brave - So rogue.

Will you marry me

 

[Jobe Watson]

No it won't.


I reckon People will call the bombers drug cheats for the next generation regardless of the reality.

So?

North will always be the poor Melbourne team regardless of their actual financial situation. Carlton will always be the tankers. And if after our players are cleared and we are known forever as the drug cheats, water off a duck's...

 

[LanceRomance]

So?

North will always be the poor Melbourne team regardless of their actual financial situation. Carlton will always be the tankers. And if after our players are cleared and we are known forever as the drug cheats, water off a duck's...

I get what you are saying.

It'll just be one of those things... and over the next decade there will be people coming forward with their own story that Essendon and AFL will be forced to defend.

 

[LanceRomance]

on the contrary if there was sufficient evidence we would know by now.

Lol.

Why would we know?

Why not let the bombers full team play out the NAB and prepare for round 1

 

[LanceRomance]

Well, one or two might, but not most. I bet you a couple of thousand bucks by 2017 it will rarely be mentioned.

2027 maybe

 

[Jimthegreat]

So?

North will always be the poor Melbourne team regardless of their actual financial situation. Carlton will always be the tankers. And if after our players are cleared and we are known forever as the drug cheats, water off a duck's...

Crap. Big difference between taking drugs and being poor or tankers. Huge difference. If Danks is done for administering banned drugs to the players, cleared or not, and he has admitted it in the AGE, Essendon will be carrying the stain for a long time. You know that as much as I do. The club had your players had to take drugs to take the next step.

 

[Bulldog1954]

If Dank went rogue - what was it Essendon hired him for? Did they not enquire as to why Cronulla sacked him?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I've talked to and heard of many "normal" people who care. I think you are a tad underestimating what people actually think about this issue.

This also has global implications too for where Australia stands on such issues.

This is the biggest scandal in football history, possibly even in Australian sporting history if the rabbit hole goes down deep enough. And you think people are just going to shrug it out of their minds? Oh no, this will be remembered... for a long time.

Lol

Either way you'll just come up with your own crackpot theory anyway

 

[good4footy]

It doesn't matter what Gil says, that's not going to stop players suing if that's what the advice they get from their legals.
I also think if the players were duped that they would have a better case.
But for mine the only way they were duped if they were told thay were getting something different than they signed for.
So the EFC better have something to show for the thymosin they signed for

1) Not making an assessment of the veracity of Gils statements, more looking at the motivation for them. Protecting his organisations would be the only reason to do so:

a) "You were duped so how were we to know any better if you in fact didn't."
b) "Being duped does not offer you protection under the code so once again your suspension has nothing to do with us taking our eye of the ball - we all signed up to it."

2) Interested on your thoughts of how players being duped would give them a better cases against the AFL. I can see how it would against those that duped them.

3) Agree (have no idea whether they were duped or not), but it was also not a point my post was addressing. I was just scratching my head why Gil would make those comments and believe it has nothing to do with knowing the outcome of the tribunal.

 

[Thrawn]

Lol

Either way you'll just come up with your own crackpot theory anyway

Your club is damaging to this sport and Australia's sporting reputation.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Crap. Big difference between taking drugs and being poor or tankers. Huge difference. If Danks is done for administering banned drugs to the players, cleared or not, and he has admitted it in the AGE, Essendon will be carrying the stain for a long time. You know that as much as I do. The club had your players had to take drugs to take the next step.

Really? Because deliberately losing games to secure better draft picks goes against everything sport is about. It's slapping your supporter base in the face, and it's a form of cheating. inb4maddadamandhis"essendonlostgamesdeliberatlyoncetoo"conspiracy

If our players are cleared then that will be that. No one of any standing in the game will call them cheats. Nobody will care.

Who gives a **** if opposition supporters want to use "yous are drug cheats" as bait? Essendon supporters will know it isn't true (as confirmed by the tribunal in that scenario) and will pay it no mind... well, not any more than a Carlton supporter would take a barb about their numerous acts of deceit over the years, or any more than a Collingwood fan cares about being called a toothless bogan. That's tribal sport.

I've talked to and heard of many "normal" people who care. I think you are a tad underestimating what people actually think about this issue.

True. I always see you talking to "normal" people on the Hawthorn and North Melbourne boards. No doubt Essendon is your go-to opening line when meeting new people in real life too: "so... how about those Essendon drug cheats?". You just can't get enough of talking about us.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I like a mod who is So brave - So rogue.

Will you marry me

That doesn't make any sense.

Get your own puns.

 

[Thrawn]

<snip>

This all has the potential to destroy your club, you realise?

 

[mxett]

The fact that we are here now.

If, for instance, the bombers listened to original warning from theAFL about peptides back 11/12 we wouldnt be here.... would we?

We are here so it must have been deliberate. stupid logic.

 

[Keystone agony]

This all has the potential to destroy your club, you realise?

define: destroy

 

[Goldy McH]

Nope, been making the same call for a couple of years.

If they were doped they were duped, which seems to be a increasing probable, but for mine has always been the case.

Hird was not involved in doping and if there was doping he was not aware, duped as well.

Hird as well as the players have been treated disdainfully by the media and originally the AFL, which has been appalling.

Rubbish.

Just, rubbish. Roll on Tuesday.

 

[KnobHead]

If the players do down on Tuesday, it'd be disappointing if anyone danced on their graves, so to speak.

However you look at it, there's no way the players deliberately went out to break the rules.

 

[Blueballs38]

This all has the potential to destroy your club, you realise?

Of course they don't Thrawn!

The arrogance of EFC and its supporter base is that much worse than CFC at its height just before we got smashed.

If somehow they beat this on a technicality thier hubris will be unpalatable.

They do not care about what they have done to the game, to Australia's sporting reputation or to the young men in their care. If they get off they will laugh at everyone and in their mind' sat least feel vindicated and believe they have not cheated.

It's such an unbelievable situation that the only place it belongs is as an episode of the Twilight Zone!

And yet at the moment its real life .... BIZARE!!!!