Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[Chadwiko]

Lol, that's a complete misreading of the revolutionary spirit of Australians if ever I saw one.
If people honestly understood what is happening with our natural resources there'd be a bit more grumbling about gas and power bills.

Not wrong!

 

[Chadwiko]

At the beginning of the war in 2022, Russians attacked Ukraine from several directions at the same time. The frontlines were longer, there were more hot spots, Russians did not have their air defence ready. Then the defenders of Ukraine destroyed a lot of Russian armoured equipment. Later, the rate of destruction of Russian armoured vehicles somewhat slowed down, but lately, it skyrocketed.

And this is not according to data provided by the Ukrainian authorities. Open source intelligence analysts count Russian losses from videos and photos. From March to May 2024, Russians lost about 390 tanks, a 70% increase over previous periods of the same length. Even more interesting are the figures for the first days of June, which show that Russians lost at least 37 tanks in the first two days of the month. Again, these are image-verified numbers, not some government statistic.

What’s happening? Well, the severity of the Russian losses was determined by several reasons. In particular, according to the Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Russians have already lost more tanks than they had in active service before the war. This means that Russia is now relying on tanks pulled from long-term storage sites. They are prepared quickly, are very old and probably lack quality and protection, which makes them easier to destroy.

In addition, Ukrainians pay particular attention to the destruction of damaged Russian tanks now. They may be far from the front line, unfit for combat, burning, but Ukrainians still destroy them so that Russians have no chance to repair them. Finally, the Russian invasion in the Kharkiv region also contributed to their increased losses.

Will Russia run out of tanks? Well, Russians have thousands of old tanks in long-term storage sites. Also, not all tanks will be sent to be burned in Ukraine. Russia will only run out of tanks if their destruction rate exceeds their production/restoration rate for a while. And that’s exactly what the experts are seeing now – in the first couple of days of June, Russians lost more tanks than they produce/refurbish in a month. The average rate of Russian tank losses is three times that of their production rate. If this trend continues, Russia will no longer have tanks to send to Ukraine by next year. They will still have tanks in storage, but not in the hands of the soldiers.

It must be said that there have been predictions that Russians would run out of tanks. But now those predictions are based not on official paper statistics, but on visual data. And if Russia pushes talks about a cease-fire or some sort of other pause in hostilities, it is only in order to have time to produce/refurbish more tanks. Because now, despite all the efforts of their industry, the number of active tanks in the Russian forces is decreasing.

 

[ferball]

Lol, that's a complete misreading of the revolutionary spirit of Australians if ever I saw one.
If people honestly understood what is happening with our natural resources there'd be a bit more grumbling about gas and power bills.

Give it time.

 

[Chadwiko]

Give it time.

 

[ferball]

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At the beginning of the war in 2022, Russians attacked Ukraine from several directions at the same time. The frontlines were longer, there were more hot spots, Russians did not have their air defence ready. Then the defenders of Ukraine destroyed a lot of Russian armoured equipment. Later, the rate of destruction of Russian armoured vehicles somewhat slowed down, but lately, it skyrocketed.

And this is not according to data provided by the Ukrainian authorities. Open source intelligence analysts count Russian losses from videos and photos. From March to May 2024, Russians lost about 390 tanks, a 70% increase over previous periods of the same length. Even more interesting are the figures for the first days of June, which show that Russians lost at least 37 tanks in the first two days of the month. Again, these are image-verified numbers, not some government statistic.

What’s happening? Well, the severity of the Russian losses was determined by several reasons. In particular, according to the Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Russians have already lost more tanks than they had in active service before the war. This means that Russia is now relying on tanks pulled from long-term storage sites. They are prepared quickly, are very old and probably lack quality and protection, which makes them easier to destroy.

In addition, Ukrainians pay particular attention to the destruction of damaged Russian tanks now. They may be far from the front line, unfit for combat, burning, but Ukrainians still destroy them so that Russians have no chance to repair them. Finally, the Russian invasion in the Kharkiv region also contributed to their increased losses.

Will Russia run out of tanks? Well, Russians have thousands of old tanks in long-term storage sites. Also, not all tanks will be sent to be burned in Ukraine. Russia will only run out of tanks if their destruction rate exceeds their production/restoration rate for a while. And that’s exactly what the experts are seeing now – in the first couple of days of June, Russians lost more tanks than they produce/refurbish in a month. The average rate of Russian tank losses is three times that of their production rate. If this trend continues, Russia will no longer have tanks to send to Ukraine by next year. They will still have tanks in storage, but not in the hands of the soldiers.

It must be said that there have been predictions that Russians would run out of tanks. But now those predictions are based not on official paper statistics, but on visual data. And if Russia pushes talks about a cease-fire or some sort of other pause in hostilities, it is only in order to have time to produce/refurbish more tanks. Because now, despite all the efforts of their industry, the number of active tanks in the Russian forces is decreasing.

See this article is much better than that bullshit propaganda you posted the other week.

Based on those numbers Russian losses are closer to 25% of what was claimed in that other article.

You can't really extrapolate to the other the losses based on that either but if someone did and claimed that all other losses were closer to 25% of what was claimed they'd probably have more of a leg to stand on.

I'm making no claims of loss numbers on either side btw, well one - whatever we get told is bullshit - that's it. I'm on the other side of the world and have no way of knowing and no trust in any source reporting on a war.

 

[Grogg]

It doesn't matter how pissed off Joe Citizen gets with our natural resource policy whilst our current ethos politically is to sell these off to the highest international bidder.

Taking back control of these resources is never going to happen either as this puts our government at direct odds with our biggest ally and would be detrimental to the oft quoted "Ämerican Interests". You only need to look at countries that have attempted to do just that to see how that ended for them.

 

[ferball]

Well I hope so too because, being an actual socialist, I think we should nationalise all our mining operations and resources, instead of letting international ne- colonialist, late stage capitalism basically steal them from under our noses.

I'm glad you're with me on that comrade.

 

[ferball]

It doesn't matter how pissed off Joe Citizen gets with our natural resource policy whilst our current ethos politically is to sell these off to the highest international bidder.

Taking back control of these resources is never going to happen either as this puts our government at direct odds with our biggest ally and would be detrimental to the oft quoted "Ämerican Interests". You only need to look at countries that have attempted to do just that to see how that ended for them.

This is why, as ****ed as it is, we need to use our own uranium to build nukes.

 

[ferball]

Its not just US interests either. Chinese, Indian and European capitalist scum ****s have all got their grubby little fingers into our resources. And we get **** all out of it. There are even Australians who do the same thing and have made billions of dollars doing it.

 

[ferball]

Anyway I'm driving to Hobart so my kids can play in the snow.

Looking forward to Chad's support on the issue of nationalising our resources.

 

[Grogg]

This is why, as ****ed as it is, we need to use our own uranium to build nukes.

Hypothetically speaking, imagine if we threatened to do just that, I could see a couple of immediate problems.

1. The China relationship would almost be irrepairably damaged. We would lose our biggest trading partner, copping a huge hit financially & would also paint a gigantic target on our back militarily.

2.. The US would almost certainly push to have their own nukes stationed on the top end which would be a blow to our already fragile state of self determination.

Personally I can't see it happening any time soon.

 

[Chadwiko]

Well I hope so too because, being an actual socialist, I think we should nationalise all our mining operations and resources, instead of letting international ne- colonialist, late stage capitalism basically steal them from under our noses.

I'm glad you're with me on that comrade.

Pretty much agree. At the very least, we shouldn't be bending over backwards to the mining companies just because they have so successfully bought and paid for both Labor and the Liberals/Nationals in this country. The fact we literally give away our resources is inexcusable.

And the argument for it is "but they employ so many regional people!". Yeah... they would still do that even if they had to pay a fair price for our resources.

 

[The Warlord]

It doesn't matter how pissed off Joe Citizen gets with our natural resource policy whilst our current ethos politically is to sell these off to the highest international bidder.

Resource extraction to benefit overseas capital has always been the economic model of the colony, its so drilled into us we think it is normal/.

Taking back control of these resources is never going to happen either as this puts our government at direct odds with our biggest ally and would be detrimental to the oft quoted "Ämerican Interests". You only need to look at countries that have attempted to do just that to see how that ended for them.

Including us with Whitlam.

 

[Chadwiko]

Will wait to see more information/reports on this... but if accurate this is hugely important for Ukraine and incredibly embarrassing for Russia;

 

[The Warlord]

 

[Grogg]

Resource extraction to benefit overseas capital has always been the economic model of the colony, its so drilled into us we think it is normal/.



Including us with Whitlam.

Bang on the money

 

[The Warlord]

US still working on the kind of hypersonic weapons that Russia uses routinely on the battlefield now.

That two decades of wasted time and resources invading and occupying countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria really coming back to bite the Americans.

While they were working on vehicles to withstand IED attacks in Anbar province, their rivals were streeting ahead on missile tech like this.

 

[The Warlord]

Russia’s retreat from Crimea makes a mockery of the West's escalation fears

The Russian Navy's quiet retreat from Crimea highlights the emptiness of Putin's red lines and the self-defeating folly of Western escalation management, writes Peter Dickinson.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

This week marked another milestone in the Battle of the Black Sea as the Russian Navy reportedly withdrew its last remaining patrol ship from occupied Crimea. The news was announced by Ukrainian Navy spokesperson Dmytro Pletenchuk, who signaled the historic nature of the Russian retreat with the words: “Remember this day.”

There's still people afoot buying this shit, it is quite stunning.

In the next few weeks, Russian ships and subs are going to launch missiles from the Black Sea and this will all be forgotten about.

It is quite telling that the Ukranians have to invent victories at sea, because they certainly ain't winning any on land.

 

[Chadwiko]

There's still people afoot buying this shit, it is quite stunning.

In the next few weeks, Russian ships and subs are going to launch missiles from the Black Sea and this will all be forgotten about.

It is quite telling that the Ukranians have to invent victories at sea, because they certainly ain't winning any on land.

 

[The Warlord]

As a committed lefty, I believe everything the Atlantic Council publishes as fact.

That's the hallmark of leftwing politics - swallowing Atlantic Council propaganda as fact.

All the great left politicians ... massive Atlantic Council fans.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

They will replace Biden in the next week.

 

[Chadwiko]

That tweet you posted is based on the Atlantic Council crap ya nong.

No it's not, you clown.

This isn't based on some sort of original investigative reporting by the Atlantic Council. The Atlantic Council blog you posted is just echoing and editorialising the story that has been widely reported elsewhere, which is all based on public statements made by Ukraine's Navy spokesman this week.

Here's a few more links for you, from a wide range of sources;

Yahoo:

Putin’s last naval patrol ship in annexed Crimea flees after attacks on Black Sea Fleet, claims Ukraine

But Russian forces were said to be gaining more ground in eastern Ukraine

uk.news.yahoo.com

Independent:

Germany to slash military aid for Ukraine in deepening crisis for Zelensky - live

Kyiv’s defence minister says focus remains on battlefield, not developments abroad

www.independent.co.uk

The Express:

Putin forced into humiliating Crimea retreat after Black Sea Fleet torn apart

Vladimir Putin has seen his once-powerful Black Sea Fleet decimated by Ukrainian attacks, that have destroyed or disabled at least 17 naval vessels.

www.express.co.uk

BI:

Russia's navy pulled its last patrol boat from Crimea, Ukraine says, after getting pummelled for months

Russia's last Black Sea Fleet ship is leaving Crimea "right now," a Ukrainian naval official said on Monday. It would mark an embarrassing retreat.

www.businessinsider.com

and just for you... the good old Kyiv Independent:

Ukraine war latest: Russia withdrew its last patrol boat from occupied Crimea, Ukraine's navy says

Key developments on July 15: * Last Russian patrol ship left occupied Crimea, Ukraine's navy says * Mobilization is going 'according to plan,' but there are not enough training facilities, Zelensky says * Syrskyi orders inspection of 59th Motorized Brigade after recent losses * 44% of...

kyivindependent.com

Now, as always, instead of admitting you were wrong, you'll deny, attack, and switch to some form of 'whataboutism'.

But I take comfort in knowing that, once again, you've lost an argument that you started by inventing something in your mind.

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[The Warlord]

No it's not, you clown.

This isn't based on some sort of original investigative reporting by the Atlantic Council. The Atlantic Council blog you posted is just echoing and editorialising the story that has been widely reported elsewhere, which is all based on public statements made by Ukraine's Navy spokesman this week.

Here's a few more links for you, from a wide range of sources;

Yahoo:

Putin’s last naval patrol ship in annexed Crimea flees after attacks on Black Sea Fleet, claims Ukraine

But Russian forces were said to be gaining more ground in eastern Ukraine

uk.news.yahoo.com

Independent:

Germany to slash military aid for Ukraine in deepening crisis for Zelensky - live

Kyiv’s defence minister says focus remains on battlefield, not developments abroad

www.independent.co.uk

The Express:

Putin forced into humiliating Crimea retreat after Black Sea Fleet torn apart

Vladimir Putin has seen his once-powerful Black Sea Fleet decimated by Ukrainian attacks, that have destroyed or disabled at least 17 naval vessels.

www.express.co.uk

BI:

Russia's navy pulled its last patrol boat from Crimea, Ukraine says, after getting pummelled for months

Russia's last Black Sea Fleet ship is leaving Crimea "right now," a Ukrainian naval official said on Monday. It would mark an embarrassing retreat.

www.businessinsider.com

and just for you... the good old Kyiv Independent:

Ukraine war latest: Russia withdrew its last patrol boat from occupied Crimea, Ukraine's navy says

Key developments on July 15: * Last Russian patrol ship left occupied Crimea, Ukraine's navy says * Mobilization is going 'according to plan,' but there are not enough training facilities, Zelensky says * Syrskyi orders inspection of 59th Motorized Brigade after recent losses * 44% of...

kyivindependent.com

Now, as always, instead of admitting you were wrong, you'll deny, attack, and switch to some form of 'whataboutism'.

But I take comfort in knowing that, once again, you've lost an argument that you started by inventing something in your mind.

Whatever, it is still Ukranian propaganda and the fact you've cited the DAILY EXPRESS proves the quality of the person/outlet that takes it up.

 

[The Warlord]

So predictable.

Can't argue with the Daily Express mate, 100 per cent fact there