Play Nice The NM Devil's Chessboard Thread - Part II

[The Warlord]

The big idea: is nostalgia killing politics?

From the Tories’ Thatcher fixation to Labour’s Blair fetish, ideas from the past are poisoning the political present

www.theguardian.com

This is an excellent piece. It's UK centric but has plenty of resonance here where Keating, Howard and at a Vic level Kennett still dominate thinking

 

[The Warlord]

By the way, it's quite telling that you have to post tweets from hardcore facist twitter accounts to find pro-Russian war content. Not the first time you've posted that dude, either.

Pretty gross stuff, tbh.

The point is the video, not the handle. I don't like that person's politics, but they have good war content.

And facts aren't pro or anti anyone.

Or are we at the point where you're going to deny your own lying eyes because what you see doesn't fit what you want to see.

(What you're doing here - attack the the source to distract from the content - is harsh right politics 101. Trumpism writ large)

 

[The Warlord]

Still do. There's daily footage that goes online of the Shaheeds getting shot down. Here's one from the last 8~ hours, just by way of example;

Yeah I know, their main purpose is to engage and exhaust air defence.

But them flying in broad daylight like that is relatively new, especially given it seems to be happening lots and lots more.

 

[Chadwiko]

(What you're doing here - attack the the source to distract from the content - is harsh right politics 101. Trumpism writ large)

I knew this would be your response (so predictable).

That's specifically why I first responded separately purely based on the content, and then pointed out that sharing hardcore fascists is gross.

 

[travelli]

I've spent over 30 years hearing white people do this shit. Its rude and ****en annoying. You can say what you like about your personal opinion on Thorpe. I couldn't care less.

Why is she the wrong person to say "Give us back our land!"? Are you that clueless that you think you can make that judgement.


All that may be true.

Its still not your place to say she's the wrong messenger to tell Australia's head of state "Give us back our land."

She's not speaking for you.

THe whole subject might not have come up if she didnt say anything. Now it is a global talking point.

 

[giantroo]

 

[DesertRoo]

The point is the video, not the handle. I don't like that person's politics, but they have good war content.


And facts aren't pro or anti anyone.

Or are we at the point where you're going to deny your own lying eyes because what you see doesn't fit what you want to see.

(What you're doing here - attack the the source to distract from the content - is harsh right politics 101. Trumpism writ large)

I’m so busy I can’t keep up with this tread at the moment but you’re going to have Marshall McLuhan turning is his grave with logic like that..

 

[travelli]

You wonder what the final solution will be for the people of Palestine

 

[The Warlord]

Russian soldiers are trolling

 

[The Warlord]

Hmm various accounts on Twitter were claiming last week that the Houthis shot down a Growler.

 

[The Warlord]

That's specifically why I first responded separately purely based on the content, and then pointed out that sharing hardcore fascists is gross.

If we want to understand what is happening in the world, we need to understand all perspectives.

I know you find information and ideas that challenge your very rigid worldview hard to process.

But others are different, accept it.

I interviewed all kinds of scumbags from convicted murderers to George Osborne in my day lol.

 

[The Warlord]

Moldova stuff is interesting given its location and the huge arsenal in Transnistria

 

[Chadwiko]

If we want to understand what is happening in the world, we need to understand all perspectives.

I know you find information and ideas that challenge your very rigid worldview hard to process.

But others are different, accept it.

Is that what you tell yourself?
That's how you internally justify following + repeatedly signal-boosting a bunch of hardcore fascists, while trying to convince yourself you're still a real and radical progressive?

Do you stand in front of the mirror and think "It's not weird or concerning that the only places I'm getting the reports on the Ukrainian war that prove how well Russia is doing are from unabashed and unashamed fascists on social media, because that just makes me an enlightened lefty. I'm not looking at the messenger, I'm looking at the message!"

I mean, you literally just did it again;




You shared that post of the North Korean flag near the (cough cough) "liberated" Ukranian village of Tsukurino, because 'omg lol those cheeky Russians. Such trolls! ' (let's ignore for a second why/how Russians on the frontline of a warzone in occupied Ukraine could possibly source a North Korean flag so quickly for a "troll")... and then while on the same Twitter profile of that account, you noticed the story of the Growler crash.
How did that same Twitter account share it? Oh that's right, with the implication that it crashed because the pilots were female, stirring up his fascist followers into predictable hate and bigotry;









Btw... that same account that you posted because we "need to understand all perspectives" loves to repost and signal boost your classic good old fashioned anti-semitic George Soros conspiracies, etc




Not to mention pretty sick shit like referring to captured Ukrainian soldiers as "meat batches" (but please, tell me again how your delicate sensitivities are harmed by people calling the Russians "orcs");





You know what though? You aren't the first and won't be the last smart person to get slowly and successfully radicalised by fascists online. I just hope that you're smart enough to see this as a wake-up call and come back to reality before it's too late. It takes a big person to have the self-awareness to recognise when they've gone in too deep to something that has betrayed their own values and morals in the pursuit of tribalism.

Honestly, I'd respect the hell out of you if instead of getting defensive about this and trying to argue against it, you copped to it, put your hand up and said 'my bad', and learned from it.

 

[ferball]

Sorry who does Lydia Thorpe represent? All indigenous people in Australia? All indigenous people in her electorate?

Pretty sure that whatever else indigenous people think of someone, when they get up and say stuff like that most (like every one I've met) would say "**** yeah! Give it back."

Seems it was just a year ago when she was vehemently against the voice despite around 60-70% indigenous support.

So what? Do you know why?

Did she liase with other aboriginal senators, other parties, etc before she launched an international headline grabbing bit of grandstanding.

Dunno, don't care. Why should she.

Breaking every rule of normal common decency as a human being

Not everyone thinks that common decency is bowing to a king ffs. The King of Australia isn't Australian, even if he did go to one of the poshest and most exclusive private schools in the country.

We should probably all be saying "give us back our land."