Oppo Camp The Non-North Footy Discussion & Matchday Chat Thread (NNFD&MCT) VIII

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Depends, I haven't seen the pics - tbh if it just players snorting white powder, given its off season etc I doubt AFL will be too worried.

Itd be sex stuff they'd be more worried about.
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The pics are as you suggest. I haven't seen them but a family member has seen a couple of the set. Anyway, as you pointed out it doesn't break the drug rules so they don't matter much other than to embarrass someone later.
 

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koshari said:
they didnt seem to have an issue when they got a compo pick to take roughie? and that wasnt even free agency compo!
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The Hawthorn counter to that is "oh, but that was the rules back then...."

These are the rules now, so suck it up campaigners.

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The Hawthorn counter to that is "oh, but that was the rules back then...."

These are the rules now, so suck it up campaigners.

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Maybe if they had run their bodgy report better, Clarko wouldn't have been distracted and we'd have won more games.
 

Explosive documents reveal Melbourne’s top brass agreed to start ‘scenario planning’ for sacking Simon Goodwin​

Despite Melbourne’s repeated claims it had no concerns over Simon Goodwin’s conduct, explosive documents reveal the Demons agreed to start ‘scenario planning’ for his sacking.
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Explosive Melbourne Football Club board documents reveal the Demons’ top brass agreed to start “scenario planning” for the sacking of coach Simon Goodwin on the eve of the 2021 premiership season.
Minutes of a March 11, 2021 directors meeting obtained by the Herald Sun contradict the club’s repeated claims they had no concerns over Goodwin’s conduct at the time.
The five-hour board meeting focused on steps to be taken in the event Goodwin needed to be removed if the team performed badly, if his alleged off-field behaviour “blows up” or if he was unable to “cope” with the pressures of the job.
It came amid concerns over allegations of illicit drug use at the club, as well as gambling and bullying involving Goodwin and the sudden sacking of Melbourne doctor Zeeshan Arain just days after he had raised the alarm about the club’s culture.
The meeting in the Melbourne Room at the MCG was attended by 11 club officials including chief executive Gary Pert, current president and then-director Kate Roffey, football director Brad Green, vice-president Mohan Jesudason, board members John Trotter and Steve Morris and then-club boss Glen Bartlett.
Melbourne chiefs started “scenario planning” for the possible sacking of Simon Goodwin. Picture: Getty Images

Melbourne chiefs started “scenario planning” for the possible sacking of Simon Goodwin. Picture: Getty Images
“A discussion was held about the need to conduct scenarios if Simon Goodwin cannot cope or if the board does have to move on Simon Goodwin,” the minutes state.
“GB (Bartlett) noted that the MFC illicit drugs policy needs to be improved. A working group with some directors may be established … JT (Trotter) noted that a mid-year unplanned sacking is devastating to the club based on his experience on the MFC board.
“GB reiterated his strong view that the coach should not be dismissed on performance grounds in the middle of the season, but behaviours and capacity remain watching areas for Simon Goodwin …
“A discussion was held as to supporting Simon Goodwin and continually ensuring he is fit for work.”

According to the minutes, an action item was agreed for Bartlett, Green and Pert “to conduct scenario planning”.
Pert also provided a summary to the board of a meeting between himself, Bartlett and Goodwin at the club’s Casey training base where the coach was confronted with claims about his behaviour.
“There were difficult topics to discuss but were handled respectfully. Simon Goodwin understood the position of the board. The meeting achieved the outcome sought,” the minutes state.
But a month later it was Bartlett – not Goodwin – who was suddenly forced out by the board.
The March 11 directors meeting came just weeks after Bartlett and Jesudason met with AFL chiefs Gillon McLachlan and Richard Goyder to discuss Goodwin’s behaviour.
Glen Bartlett and Simon Goodwin embrace after a Melbourne win in 2018. Picture: Getty Images

Glen Bartlett and Simon Goodwin embrace after a Melbourne win in 2018. Picture: Getty Images
During that meeting, McLachlan detailed his own knowledge of Goodwin’s drinking and gambling at Sorrento Hotel and encouraged Bartlett to remove the coach – and Pert – if required.
Detailed notes of the March 11, 2021 directors’ meeting, also obtained by this masthead, shed further light on the concerns of the club.
Trotter told the meeting that with his “risk hat on” he wondered whether it would be prudent for the club to consider “some scenarios if these things arise”.
Pert responded: “You are crazy if you don’t do that … it is very unlikely that it will be a complete waste of time.”
But Pert questioned whether the issues surrounding the coach could do “damage to Goody’s self-esteem” and the club’s “ability to make finals”.
“We have a delicate balance but myself and Richo (football boss Alan Richardson) are talking about all of these little elements far more than Goody would know or the board,” Pert said, according to the notes.
Morris said it was important the board demonstrated “100 per cent support” for the coach, to which director David Robb replied: “So, as you know Steve, in the professional world there is no such thing as unconditional support … that is something reserved for your children”.
Robb also expressed his opposition to the board’s previous decision to add an extra year to Goodwin’s contract.
Kate Roffey and Simon Goodwin at the 2021 grand final. Picture: Michael Klein

Kate Roffey and Simon Goodwin at the 2021 grand final. Picture: Michael Klein
“Well, you know my view on that extra year – it shouldn’t have happened”, Robb said, to which Bartlett replied: “David, we are not going back over that … I have said this to ‘Goody’ – I hope and expect that he will be the next premiership coach of Melbourne … and I am happy he is being supported and receiving feedback and help”.
Green agreed with Trotter that scenario planning was important because “we don’t want to get to that day and not (have) done the work”.
Trotter recalled being on the Demons’ board “when we sacked Mark Neeld mid-season and it was really bad, screwed the club for three years”.
“We have to do it much better than that,” Trotter said before Green recounted his own experiences as an assistant coach at Carlton when coach Mick Malthouse was sacked mid-season.
“I was with Mick and they chased him with helicopters – amazing what they (the media) will do to get a story,” Green said.
At one point Roffey said: “What if he (Goodwin) got Covid or just got sick or whatever … we should have a scenario plan just like the Alastair Clarkson thing.”
Clarkson missed a chunk of the 2014 AFL season as coach of Hawthorn after being diagnosed with the rare health condition Guillain-Barré syndrome.
Fresh questions over Melbourne’s culture have ignited in recent weeks after incidents involving star midfielder Clayton Oliver and utility Joel Smith.
Bartlett is suing Roffey, Morris, Robb and board member David Rennick in the Federal Court for misleading and deceptive conduct and defamation in relation to his exit.
The club has steadfastly disputed that it ever considered standing Goodwin down or having any knowledge of his alleged behavioural problems.
In an interview on 3AW last year, Roffey said: “It never, ever got anywhere near like. I have said it many, many times – there isn’t a behavioural issue with Simon”.
Roffey, who replaced Bartlett as president, claimed she had “no idea” why the AFL had met with the club about Goodwin and didn’t even know it had taken place “until I read it in the paper”.
On the eve of the club’s 2021 grand final triumph, Roffey also claimed Bartlett’s exit was the result of months of “succession planning”.
Glen Bartlett raised concerns over cultural issues at the Demons. Picture: AFL Media

Glen Bartlett raised concerns over cultural issues at the Demons. Picture: AFL Media
But the board minutes confirm Bartlett was re-elected unopposed for another 12-month term at the March meeting, just weeks before his sudden departure.
Bartlett said last year: “All I wanted to do was create the very best environment for all of our people, not sack people because they had made a mistake or two, but make sure I could look every parent in the eye and say I was doing everything to create the best environment which was free of illegal drugs, gambling, workplace bullying, sexual harassment, infidelity, bad behaviour … that’s what I was about.”
When quizzed about the AFL’s involvement in the Melbourne crisis, McLachlan said last year: “We were called to a meeting, concerns were raised, then Gary (Pert) and the club investigated the concerns, dealt with them, and now we are talking about a club and a coach who is a premiership coach”.
Dr Arain, who received a six-figure payout after hitting the club with an unlawful dismissal claim, conducted an interview with Bartlett in December 2020 where serious allegations regarding Goodwin’s behaviour first came to the attention of the board.
Bartlett outlined the findings of his interview with Dr Arain in a memorandum sent to Pert and Demons directors later that day, titled “Complaints regarding Simon Goodwin”.
The memo detailed how Dr Arain said he raised concerns with Demons people and culture manager Jim Plunkett and then-football boss Josh Mahoney during a pre-season camp at Maroochydore in January 2020.
According to the board memo, Dr Arain told the club “one staff (member) and one player directly spoke to me that they know first hand” Goodwin had serious lifestyle issues.

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“Another staff member has mentioned they have heard this also,” the memo stated.
In an email to club chiefs on December 21, 2020, Bartlett described Dr Arain as “in effect a ‘whistleblower’”.
Melbourne has been contacted for comment.
 
Just found it so weird a few days ago Goodwin flogging off his Crows premiership jumper ($20k??) and other footy memorabilia. Why would he do shit like that? Seems like a very shady character. Doesn’t really behave like a mature AFL coach, more like a suburban smart arse coach. Interesting where all this ends up.
 
Had a look on the Melbourne board to see their reactions to that, and they have only 1 active thread in about 2 days. Total ghost town. Strange for a club with 70k members. Are their fans generally older and stay offline or do they just prefer demonland? (which isn't that active either). Only poster of theirs on bigfooty that come to mind is that Toump guy.
 

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Melbourne Demons coach Simon Goodwin rescues man from ocean in Bali​

Melbourne coach and keen surfer Simon Goodwin has saved a man’s life in Bali, pulling the injured swimmer from the surf near the island of Nusa Ceningan.
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[PLAYERCARD]Simon Goodwin[/PLAYERCARD] (left) with Xavier Campbell and Rick Olarenshaw in Bali. Picture: Instagram

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Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin has saved a man’s life in Bali.
Goodwin was surfing with mates including Rick Olarenshaw on Sunday on the island of Nusa Ceningan.
A young man jumped off the cliff into the water and dislocated his shoulder, screaming in pain.
Goodwin rushed over and lifted him onto his surfboard to rescue him out of the impact zone of the waves crashing in.
Goodwin pulled the man from the water after a cliff leap gone wrong.

Goodwin pulled the man from the water after a cliff leap gone wrong.
Rick Olarenshaw with [PLAYERCARD]Simon Goodwin[/PLAYERCARD] in Bali. Picture: Instagram

Rick Olarenshaw with Simon Goodwin in Bali. Picture: Instagram
Goodwin waved down a passing jet ski and put the man on there so he could get help out of harm’s way.
The 2021 premiership coach was also surfing in Lembongan last week with Olarenshaw.
It’s a welcome good news story for Melbourne after a few weeks of turmoil with players hitting the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
There’s been concern over the welfare of gun midfielder Clayton Oliver who was hospitalised with what the Dees described as a medical episode, and it was revealed Joel Smith returned a positive in-season drugs test to cocaine and has been provisionally suspended.
It was also revealed by the Herald Sun that Oliver was with Smith on the night he was rushed to hospital.

Captain Max Gawn has denied there’s a behaviour issue at the club.
The past few weeks have been big in Bali with many AFL players hitting the Indonesian hotspot
 
Cyber_punk said:
Had a look on the Melbourne board to see their reactions to that, and they have only 1 active thread in about 2 days. Total ghost town. Strange for a club with 70k members. Are their fans generally older and stay offline or do they just prefer demonland? (which isn't that active either). Only poster of theirs on bigfooty that come to mind is that Toump guy.
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They've talked those allegations to death, because they've been reported numerous times previously due to the Bartlett lawsuit and the club doctor's sacking. Warner was clearly being briefed by Bartlett's camp since it all began, however I think that previously to this it was all allegations without Warner claiming to have any documents backing him up.

Not sure if that will change anything for any of them, because iirc most seem to at least believe the allegations regarding Goodwin.
 
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Melbourne Demons coach Simon Goodwin rescues man from ocean in Bali​

Melbourne coach and keen surfer Simon Goodwin has saved a man’s life in Bali, pulling the injured swimmer from the surf near the island of Nusa Ceningan.
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October 24, 2023 - 3:00PM
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Simon Goodwin (left) with Xavier Campbell and Rick Olarenshaw in Bali. Picture: Instagram

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Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin has saved a man’s life in Bali.
Goodwin was surfing with mates including Rick Olarenshaw on Sunday on the island of Nusa Ceningan.
A young man jumped off the cliff into the water and dislocated his shoulder, screaming in pain.
Goodwin rushed over and lifted him onto his surfboard to rescue him out of the impact zone of the waves crashing in.
Goodwin pulled the man from the water after a cliff leap gone wrong.

Goodwin pulled the man from the water after a cliff leap gone wrong.
Rick Olarenshaw with Simon Goodwin in Bali. Picture: Instagram

Rick Olarenshaw with Simon Goodwin in Bali. Picture: Instagram
Goodwin waved down a passing jet ski and put the man on there so he could get help out of harm’s way.
The 2021 premiership coach was also surfing in Lembongan last week with Olarenshaw.
It’s a welcome good news story for Melbourne after a few weeks of turmoil with players hitting the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
There’s been concern over the welfare of gun midfielder Clayton Oliver who was hospitalised with what the Dees described as a medical episode, and it was revealed Joel Smith returned a positive in-season drugs test to cocaine and has been provisionally suspended.
It was also revealed by the Herald Sun that Oliver was with Smith on the night he was rushed to hospital.

Captain Max Gawn has denied there’s a behaviour issue at the club.
The past few weeks have been big in Bali with many AFL players hitting the Indonesian hotspot
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You couldn't write it
 
Robbo serves it up!

Melbourne president Kate Roffey has gone missing – Mark Robinson says it’s time for her to speak up​

As her football club is being confronted with explosive revelations and player behavioural issues, Kate Roffey has remained silent. The club says she can’t talk yet. Mark Robinson asks, why not?

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She parachuted in and became the premiership president and now she’s a president under pressure.

Kate Roffey is also the president gone missing.
As her football club is being confronted with player behavioural issues and now explosive revelations about the early 2021 scenario planning for the sacking of coach Simon Goodwin, Roffey has chosen to stay quiet.
On Monday, requests via text and a phone call were ignored.
On Tuesday, the official line from Melbourne was “she can’t talk at this stage”.
Why not?
Understandably, Roffey can’t talk about Joel Smith’s positive cocaine test because a Sports Integrity Australia hearing is imminent and she can’t talk about Clayton Oliver because Oliver’s private health, as it should be, is a private matter.
And she’s being sued by former president Glen Bartlett, along with three other board members, so Bartlett’s off limits.
But what about the football club as a whole?
Kate Roffey and [PLAYERCARD]Simon Goodwin[/PLAYERCARD] embrace after the Demons’ 2021 premiership. Picture: Michael Klein

Kate Roffey and Simon Goodwin embrace after the Demons’ 2021 premiership. Picture: Michael Klein
What about the culture of the joint?
You’d think Joel Smith’s parents would like some clarity about the environment?
You’d reckon all the parents would like some sort of visibility.
Is there a drug problem? Is Smith a one-off bloody idiot? Is there a fire, or just smoke?
Most importantly, what is the club doing to sort out this mess?
Demons fans should demand answers from the president, and not be satisfied with wishy-washy commentary from skipper Max Gawn at a paid-for sponsorship gig beside a basketball court last Saturday afternoon.
Max got tossed the hot potato. He shouldn’t have been.
Who’s the next Melbourne player to pop his head up? It’s unfathomable that Petracca, or Viney, or Brayshaw, for example, would have to answer questions about the club’s culture and what steps are being taken to address it, when the president won’t.
Leadership when the sun is shining is easy, real leadership comes when fog rolls in.
Roffey is lost in the fog.
Kate Roffey has not spoken about the issues at the Demons. Picture: Michael Klein

Kate Roffey has not spoken about the issues at the Demons. Picture: Michael Klein
If this was politics, and not football, the government would’ve had a spokesman up at 7am on Saturday.
Letters to members don’t cut it, either. They are a fluffy community leaflet. Roffey needs to answer questions. She needs to inform Melbourne members and fans about what the club has identified as issues and how it is going to rectify them.
Revelations that she was in a board meeting which discussed “scenarios if Simon Goodwin cannot cope or if the board does have to move on Simon Goodwin’’ places her in a delicate position.
Roffey has since scoffed at claims Goodwin’s future was ever in question.
That is hard to fathom after reading the board minutes.
Now, what Melbourne members and fans want is the truth about their footy club.
As president, Roffey needs to stand up and lead.
 
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