The Offical Neil Harvey Classic Quotes Thread - Some real Beauties in here

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Found a nice article.

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6200 Test runs at 45+ between them, but they’re rubbish!

“I don’t think Lehmann was ever a Test player and Martyn has failed far too often. They are both over the hill and must be removed before it’s too late. There are a number of young players and they should be given their chances.”

On the extraordinary Ashes win at the Adelaide Oval, conveniently overlooking the fact Australia also took 9/70 in the first two sessions of the last day:

“It just scrapes into my top ten test victories of all time. In 1948, my team had to make 400-odd on the last day and achieved it with 15 minutes to spare. How does that compare to making 160?”

Possibly not at #3 but is this fair?

“Ricky Ponting wouldn’t have gotten a game in the Invincibles.”

Disappointing for us to be keeping this company

“There are some inflated figures that have been flying around, both batting and bowling, these last few years, because they’re playing against teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and New Zealand, who you have to say are very poor cricket teams.”

On Steve Waugh’s swashbuckling 77 in the 4th Ashes Test at the MCG:

“Knowing the bloke he is, I suppose he went out there fully determined to do something about all the pressure he’s been getting in the last couple of weeks and he’s fortunate I suppose, he’s playing against probably one of the worst cricket teams I’ve ever seen and the two openers, of course, have given him a great start to sap away the bowler’s confidence and he went out there with a job I would suppose would be a little easier to do than normally would be done.”

On the Waugh twins, a common target of his vitriol

“Money is the only thing that keeps them playing. If they earned the same money as I did when I was playing they’d have retired at 34 as I did, and Australian cricket would be the better for it.”

On whether Steve Waugh’s record-breaking Australian team was the best ever?

No, they’re not, no, far from it. I could name three other teams that are probably better than this one and they get carried away with the strength of the opposition these days…the ‘48 team is one obviously, and I would name the ‘58 team of Benaud’s, and the ‘72 team of Ian Chappell’s… See the current lot have, in my opinion, have got two weaknesses…they haven’t got an all-rounder for a start and they also haven’t got an opening batsman. They’ve gone back to Hayden again.”

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All i can say is, if i was a team mate of Neil Harvey i would be embrassed about this sort of stuff, it just comes across as someone who never has anything nice to say about anyone that didnt play in the 1948 Australian team. The old saying that if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything rings true in this case.

I particularly like the last quote, Adam Gilchrist is one of our greatest ever allrounders and Hayden has been possibly our finest ever opening batsmen.
 

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He's right about the Waughs though.
 
Disappointing for us to be keeping this company

“There are some inflated figures that have been flying around, both batting and bowling, these last few years, because they’re playing against teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and New Zealand, who you have to say are very poor cricket teams.”

No acknowldegement that in 1948, the English team were decimated by the war and very weak. If he wants to talk about inflated averages, just check out the ridiculous averages on that tour.

No acknowledgement that they were playing a very weak West Indies in the early to mid 50s, a team who didn't get their act together until Frank Worrell took over the leadership in the late 50s.

No acknowledgement of the fact they played a weakened South Africa in the late 40s and early 50s, two series where Harvey averaged an "inflated" 132.00 and 92.67.

No acknowledgement that they played fledgling countries such as India and Pakistan who were no stronger than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh at the time.

Despite playing in very strong and successful Australian teams, he averaged only 38.35 against England, a modest average, even by those standards.

Nice one Neil.
 
On whether Steve Waugh’s record-breaking Australian team was the best ever?

No, they’re not, no, far from it. I could name three other teams that are probably better than this one and they get carried away with the strength of the opposition these days…the ‘48 team is one obviously, and I would name the ‘58 team of Benaud’s, and the ‘72 team of Ian Chappell’s… See the current lot have, in my opinion, have got two weaknesses…they haven’t got an all-rounder for a start and they also haven’t got an opening batsman. They’ve gone back to Hayden again.”

The comment about Ian Chappell's 72 Australians is a total mystery. I'm still searching for the all-rounder. The Chappell brothers and Walters did some bowling but you'd hardly call them all-rounders.

Opening batsmen .. Stacky had a good tour but the other opening spot was shared by Francis, Ross Edwards and Watson, all of whom failed in this role.

The team was touted as the weakest ever to tour England, played very well and returned home levelling the series 2-2. They had up and comers Lillee and Marsh who were destined to become greats, performed well on tour but nowhere near their peaks as yet.

No quality spinner, although Mallett did play 2 Tests for 10 wickets. Doug Walters had a shocking tour averaging only 7.71 with the bat, and good contributors were Bob Massie and David Colley whose Test careers were finished less than 12 months later.

I don't want to knock the 72 team, it was a team that augered well for the future but I'd hardly call them a great team in 1972.
 
Neil who? :D Seriously the guy is a dead set tool who holds no relevance to me he is just a bitter twisted old fool. Problem is a lot of the older heads are going that way (I Chappell I am looking at you), people give Slats shit but I would much rather listen to guys who played in the 90's 00's and relate to the way cricket is played now, not when it was basically an amateur game.
 
I remember Neil Harvey having a go at Allan Border and suggesting that he'd have taken apart the 1980's Windies fast bowling attack, which was kind of funny considering Harvey's record against the likes of Fred Trueman and Frank Tyson.

I've yet to meet a serious cricket fan who takes Harvey seriously. It's a pity that a good honest batsman (and that is all he was) is allowed to degrade himself this way. A good lesson for our current day cricketers who will no doubt face similar questions in the future.
 
I would say senility is a terrible thing except for the fact that Harvey would write this stuff as a journo for the little paper in Sydney in the 1980's.

Carried on about the Invincibles and never once mentioned that England and all the Counties were totally ****ed because of the war.

Only toured for English morale.

Harvey is a very bitter sad individual. Ponting would have walked into any Australian team. Harvey is a fool.
 

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No acknowldegement that in 1948, the English team were decimated by the war and very weak. If he wants to talk about inflated averages, just check out the ridiculous averages on that tour.

No acknowledgement that they were playing a very weak West Indies in the early to mid 50s, a team who didn't get their act together until Frank Worrell took over the leadership in the late 50s.

No acknowledgement of the fact they played a weakened South Africa in the late 40s and early 50s, two series where Harvey averaged an "inflated" 132.00 and 92.67.

No acknowledgement that they played fledgling countries such as India and Pakistan who were no stronger than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh at the time.

Despite playing in very strong and successful Australian teams, he averaged only 38.35 against England, a modest average, even by those standards.

Nice one Neil.

Yes excellent post.

In that 1948 team, England had old codgers who could not field terribly well and the war radically affected their line-up.

Have any of you guys seen some of the footage of the pie chuckers around at that time too?
 
I think the thing that endears Richie Benaud to the cricketing public is, although he played a lot of Test Cricket in 50s and 60s, and captained Australia with amazing success, he is always quick to acknowledge that the current Australians have taken Test Cricket to a whole new level, and that they have been good for the game.

He doesn't allow himself to be trapped with delusions of past glories, and this gives vent to balanced opinions and judgements.

I started watching cricket in the 60s and have fond memories of it. My early cricket education was moulded in the mid 70s watching Ian Chappell's Australians. What a side they were: the Chappell brothers, Walters, Marsh, Lillee & Thomson .. magnificent memories.

However, for me to sit here and tell people they played cricket any better than the current players would be absolute crap. Ponting, McGrath, Warne, Gilchrist, etc are some of the very best cricketers the world has seen, and I am thankful I witnessed their careers for the duration. To suggest those players wouldn't have made it in previous eras is pure garbage.
 
Its funny how every time the Australian media see an opportunity to kick the boot into the aussies when there has been some sort of contentious issue they turn to Neil Harvey every time and we get one of these pearls of wisdom from the bitter, bitter old fool. The media know exactly what they're gonna get from him.

Lets start shedding some light on Neil Harvey, didnt he leave Victoria to play in NSW for more $ and a better chance to captain the national team?
 
Don't think he had any good English tours. Enjoyed himself to much.

His first tour in 1968 was okay, he made 343 runs @ 38.11, and this was after he'd missed a lot of cricket due to National Service. His first 2 Test innings on English soil was 81 & 86, but it all went downhill from there.
 
Lets start shedding some light on Neil Harvey, didnt he leave Victoria to play in NSW for more $ and a better chance to captain the national team?

As it turned out, had Harvey stayed in Melbourne where he was Victorian captain, he would have had a better chance of captaining Australia. The incumbent Australian and NSW captain was a young Ian Craig, and there appeared little chance of Harvey ever captaining Australia, even though he was Craig's deputy.

However, Craig suffered hepatitis which effectively ended his Test career. In the interim, Richie Benaud was elevated to captain of NSW at the same time Harvey was transfering from Vic to NSW.

Whereas it was true he left for more money, it was through business opportunities rather than money offered through cricket, and nobody could blame him for that. He left his sports sales job in Victoria to take up a higher paying career with a glass and diningware company in NSW.

According to Roland Perry in his book "Captain Australia", Harvey was actually considering moving to South Africa just prior to his move to NSW.

Anyway, at the time they were looking to replace Craig as Australian captain, the choice was between current NSW captain Richie Benaud, and Harvey who was no longer captaining a state team. Benaud was the logical choice as captain and, as it turns out, thank goodness he was!!!
 
The only thing Harvey's team did consistently better than the current crop was put their pants on, and it's only Hodge who's dragging the average down today.
 
Ponting's thoughts.
…Neil Harvey seems to be the hardest man in the world to please where modern cricket is concerned. He’s also the first one that any journalist around Australia would ring because they know he is going to give a negative reaction to this team. And to tell the truth there is no one in our current team, and I don’t think there’s too many around Australia that actually sit back and listen to what Neil Harvey has got to say.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/sidelineslogger/2008/02/01/ddting-neil-harvey/
 
What a tool. :thumbsdown:

Gilchrist, Ponting, McGrath, Warne and probably Hayden would've got into the invincibles team I reckon.
Warne yes, Gilchrist, probably (on the strength of his batting), Ponting I don't know, who would he replace ? McGrath, possibly barely as third paceman ahead of Johnson, Hayden again who would he replace ?
 
Warne yes, Gilchrist, probably (on the strength of his batting), Ponting I don't know, who would he replace ? McGrath, possibly barely as third paceman ahead of Johnson, Hayden again who would he replace ?

Gee, you don't think Ricky Ponting would've been a better option than Sam Loxton? Or Lindsay Hassett?

Hayden than either Barnes or Morris?

These guys were all good, but they weren't what made the team great. For that - you need to read only the names of Bradman, Miller, Lindwall.
 

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