The Simon Black situation - Update - The Champ Retires
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Honestly don't want to see him go around again, always been a fan of seeing top players go out whilst still playing good footy, something which has happened at Geelong in recent years.
I also know Malthouse made an offer to him to be the midfield coach at Carlton this year (non-playing) and that he has been approached by a number of clubs already about his intentions for next season. I believe he should coach and not at Brisbane. He can demand good money to coach and the big clubs would be more than willing to pay it to get him.
I also know Malthouse made an offer to him to be the midfield coach at Carlton this year (non-playing) and that he has been approached by a number of clubs already about his intentions for next season. I believe he should coach and not at Brisbane. He can demand good money to coach and the big clubs would be more than willing to pay it to get him.
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The trouble is, if he leaves here ,everyone will blame Vossy for upsetting him, by subbing him off on his big milestone game.
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Yeah, can only hope that what Vossy said about Blacky being fatigued and wanting to come off is true. Also hope Blacky decides to retire of his own free will. Wouldn't want another Lukey Power scenario. Our loyal heroes deserve better.The trouble is, if he leaves here ,everyone will blame Vossy for upsetting him, by subbing him off on his big milestone game.
we simply cannot afford to manage blackys retirement as badly as many other star lions in the past !
he needs to go when he is dam ready and under his own terms
no way voss pulled him without his concent on saturday , voss may be many things but he isnt stupid and he like the rest of us holds the great man on a pedestal
he needs to go when he is dam ready and under his own terms
no way voss pulled him without his concent on saturday , voss may be many things but he isnt stupid and he like the rest of us holds the great man on a pedestal
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Huh.
So you'd rather our team be worse for the sake of one person?
Just curious. I watched Power's year with GWS very closely. I have Power's number on the back of my GWS guernsey for a reason. Having said all that, Voss made the right call.
So you'd rather our team be worse for the sake of one person?
Just curious. I watched Power's year with GWS very closely. I have Power's number on the back of my GWS guernsey for a reason. Having said all that, Voss made the right call.
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Think you misread what I said....it was tongue in cheek.
Why would Vossy lie about something like that.
What I meant was ,that Vossy gets blamed for everything ,so he would also have to take the fall, for when Blacky does call it a day.
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Sometimes the players just know...
With a year to go on his contract Michael Voss said... "Call it ego, but I don't want to finish as a player who only plays half-a-game (in every match) for the whole year. I want to be able to make a significant contribution."
With a year to go on his contract Michael Voss said... "Call it ego, but I don't want to finish as a player who only plays half-a-game (in every match) for the whole year. I want to be able to make a significant contribution."
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Yes, if I misread you I am sorry about that. But my feeling about Vossy's comment was not that he would intentionally mislead us but that he didn't actually seem that certain that Blacky had made the call to come off. He was sort of relying on the message he was receiving from the bench and said something along the lines of "I understand the decision was Blacky's". I just hope there was no communication problem. My main concern is that Black and Brown finish their playing days as they want to. We owe them that as far as I am concerned.
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Pretty sure they will.
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My issue with the "they deserve the right to decide when to retire" is that there is an assumption that the player is the best person to make a call on their form. I don't think that is necessarily true. Most players know if they are playing well or not but I suspect that, unless their body is failing them (eg Voss), most players also believe that good form is just around the corner. If you refuse to believe that you aren't going to be able to contribute at the required level, I'm not sure you will have the self-awareness to pull the pin on your career.
My opinion is that there are a lot more blokes who have gone on a year too long than the other way round.
My opinion is that there are a lot more blokes who have gone on a year too long than the other way round.
I really find all of this totally strange. Voss said he thought Black made the call? ie, he isn't sure whether he did or not? Does the player, even one good as Black, now make the call and not the coach? Doesn't Voss have a phone line to the boundary? After a week off, Black still didn't pull up well enough to run out a match where he had been, as usual, among our best? If he came into the game with an illness, wouldn't the coach be aware of it?
I don't always keep a close eye on the Lions' coaches box, but last weekend was the first time I can recall Voss and Harvey seated alongside each other. And my take on the body language was a bit like Putin and Obama on Fox this morning. Someone will no doubt correct me about the seating etc, but what with the above am I being paranoid in seeing signs of unravelling?
I don't always keep a close eye on the Lions' coaches box, but last weekend was the first time I can recall Voss and Harvey seated alongside each other. And my take on the body language was a bit like Putin and Obama on Fox this morning. Someone will no doubt correct me about the seating etc, but what with the above am I being paranoid in seeing signs of unravelling?
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Player comes off, says to whoever's down there "I don't think I can go back on" (highly respected player, so it's presumably not like they pull that every game of their 319), the official relays it to Voss who says to get them off. Voss isn't sure whether it's the player or the official's assessment as to whether Black came off.
To me that's what makes sense as to what happened (fits everyone's comments). Won't stop the media looking for a conspiracy.
To me that's what makes sense as to what happened (fits everyone's comments). Won't stop the media looking for a conspiracy.
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I noticed this as well, I cant recall what was happening on the field at the time, didnt think it was around the time Blacky came off but I could be wrong.
The way I saw the camera shot on the coaches box in regards to Harvey / Voss , I noticed Harveys eyes were like saucers, wide open, he was switched on and involved in an assertive discussion with Voss. Dont think I would go as far as heated but there was plenty of fire/ assertion.
I took it as simply been Harveys return against his old team Freo, accounting for the assertion from Him. But then again it also looked like a conflict of idea or opinion, which no doubt happens.
Not sure can anyone lipread, if you can please decipher the conversation.
Last word on Blacky this guy no doubt should pass the batten on ,done his worth here, deserves to end a CHAMPION and I think The next line of guns need to let there balls drop and
take the batten, hopfully not drop the batten, just there balls please, and I'm not referring to the sherrin.
I saw the exchange between Voss and Harvey..my take was this, Harvey was front and centre with Voss due to being back at Freo, you know, hello I'm still here type thing etc. (mind games)....as for bickering, immediately before the camera went on them, there was a silly play by one of the boys, slipped over or something we did anyway, (I can't remember exactly what) then we see them...all I thought was a roll of eyes type reaction, a bit of swearing between them regarding whatever it was that had just happened..
At no time did I think they were have a "discussion" until I read it on here.
(unless there was another incident with them that I didn't see.)
At no time did I think they were have a "discussion" until I read it on here.
(unless there was another incident with them that I didn't see.)
Was it around the time Bewick had 20 metres of space to himself on the 50 metre mark and fell over fumbling the ball?
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I nearly broke the TV remote. So frustrating to think that we had so many chances but couldn't take them.
Ash dropping that mark in the last, Stakes holding on to the man when he didn't have to in the last, Richy playing on when he could've straightened up and put it through in the second, Lisle kicking out of mid air from a kick from Golby that bounced on the line...so many chances to put scoreboard pressure on and then Bew falling over under no pressure. T'was an emotional day.
I think the hardest was seeing Blacky trying to chase Crowley as he was leading from deep forward to the 50 on several occasions. Looked absolutely buggered and clearly out of his element. That is something every tagger should be doing.
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I didnt see it any other way at the time as well, nothing more than Harvey giving his 2 cents worth.
My first thought was I like the way Harvey's eyes were wide open and exited ,on the edge of his seat type of stuff. Discussion was probaby wrong word more like Harvey explaning to Voss what his thoughts were on what should of happened or did happen. and probably right about it being about Bewick's slip or something frustrating like that.
Just the 2 of them sharing their frustrations.
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Reckon Blacky might end up back in WA as an assistant when Worsfold moves on at the end of the year .
And where would Woosha be heading? Everybody seems to think he is out the door, but he seems to keep his cards close to his chest...unless I have missed something in the media about his next likely location?
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Back to the pharmacy apparently. Had enough. Rumoured of course.
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