The Stadium!

[T2B_]

I didn't read the report as quite frankly I can't be bothered and it wouldn't change my opinion anyway. Just get it done, whatever it takes.

 

[Saucery]

I could have just said "I don't believe you", but the meme seemed a nicer way to put it. Who reads a report like that twice? Why would you?

OK I' just going to leave here. you obviously don't like people having their own opinions and insult them when they do. I love a good conversation but not a grudge match. What reason you have to doubt me is beyond my comprehension, but it's a bit too fanatical in here for me.

I bought two foundation memberships, one for me and one for my rusted-on hawthorn supporting brother. I won't bother renewing as we only ever go to York Park anyway, as we live in Delorian.

Good luck with everything, I'd love to see a Tassie team own the mainlanders (unless it's my beloved Lions of course).

 

[Jazny]

OK I' just going to leave here. you obviously don't like people having their own opinions and insult them when they do. I love a good conversation but not a grudge match. What reason you have to doubt me is beyond my comprehension, but it's a bit too fanatical in here for me.

I bought two foundation memberships, one for me and one for my rusted-on hawthorn supporting brother. I won't bother renewing as we only ever go to York Park anyway, as we live in Delorian.

Good luck with everything, I'd love to see a Tassie team own the mainlanders (unless it's my beloved Lions of course).

Thanks! There is a mainboard to shout about the sky falling over like 0.9% of the state budget expenditure over the next 4 years. This board is for supporters of Tasmania, so you might get a little bit of pushback if you come in here praising Jaquie Lambie and doomsaying the stadium which the team's existence depends on. Glad you have a team to support, because without the stadium I won't.

But I am not selfish, if I didn't believe it would be worth it for the state in the long term, I wouldn't support it. Anyway, the feds will have to bail us out if we spend too much

As it is, if the stadium comes in on budget, we are getting the deal of the century! For 375 million, we get a return of 360 million from the AFL in investment in Tasmanian football, 240 million from the feds, a brand new state of the art roofed stadium for hosting all kinds of events, and an AFL and AFL/W team that will help our economy. The return on the investment is amazing. So if it blows out a bit, it's not really an issue.

 

[footyscribe]

I did read it, twice actually. As I live here, I think I have a right to comment on financial stories that affect my state. After the whole Tas ferries fiasco, which we will be paying for for decades to come, I don't think any of the assumptions are either hilarious or represent a blatant lack of understanding of the industry. Infrastructure projects here have a long history of going **** up.

I’d read it a third time then.

Some bizarre stuff in there.

For example, adding a decade of Devils funding in as a stadium cost.

There’s also a $9m “visual disamenity” cost that has been added in.

His costings also include $155m of “opportunity cost” and he has bolted on every ancillary cost he can find including $1m for a UTAS pocket park as part of its southern campus transformation (???)

And the author assumes interstate crowds in Tasmania will be the same, even with Collingwood games at a new city stadium. In fact, he actively decides not to include them.

There’s a bunch of valid stuff in there of course, but more than enough malarkey to really make you wonder.

 

[Jazny]

I’d read it a third time then.

Some bizarre stuff in there.

For example, adding a decade of Devils funding in as a stadium cost.

There’s also a $9m “visual disamenity” cost that has been added in.

His costings also include $155m of “opportunity cost” and he has bolted on every ancillary cost he can find including $1m for a UTAS pocket park as part of its southern campus transformation (???)

And the author assumes interstate crowds in Tasmania will be the same, even with Collingwood games at a new city stadium. In fact, he actively decides not to include them.

There’s a bunch of valid stuff in there of course, but more than enough malarkey to really make you wonder.

lol when I have time I will fact check this, but if that's true that is incredibly bad faith from old Gruen! How much did we pay this guy?

 

[BoomerRoo]

I did read it, twice actually. As I live here, I think I have a right to comment on financial stories that affect my state. After the whole Tas ferries fiasco, which we will be paying for for decades to come, I don't think any of the assumptions are either hilarious or represent a blatant lack of understanding of the industry. Infrastructure projects here have a long history of going **** up.

I live here as well, so so using your logic, I also have a right to comment, which was that "I disagree with you". Now that doesn't make me any better than you Saucery or vice versa.

As others have commented, there are plenty of disingenuous statements in the report, some of them stated above, others still seeking substantiation.

In my opinion, Nic, whom I know personally for what it's worth, hasn't recognised the "brief as such" (poor choice of words, but it's late).

I've a meeting first thing Monday, in which myself and a few in my "agency", will look through the review more thoroughly obviously.

As I've pointed out many many pages before, I work in "Stadia", overseas for a few years (not so much anymore) and lately more locally, Optus, Etihad/Marvel, Allianz and one or two other smaller projects and have done so for many years (feels like way too many actually). I worked on this proposal in it's early days, but my "contract" finished a few months ago now, so in saying all of the above, I'd just like to repeat, these views are my own.



As for the "Ferry Fiasco" as you call it, TT-Line and Tas Ports have a lot to answer for in regards to this atrocious lack of responsibility. Their whole boards should have been dismissed immediately.