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typically captain selfish now forcing his selfish ways in the Sydney grade competition.
did he even field yesterday?
did he even field yesterday?
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if he'd been fit to field, I doubt any of this would have arisen,
sherb
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One could also argue that the Wests players are there competing to win and deserve better than to forgo first innings points in such a fashion.
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Was listening to ABC earlier and Stuart Clark was decidedly unhappy about it.
There's gotta be a better way than how it was done.
Funnily enough Wests are in a great shape to win outright. I thought they were 1/130 and about level with Parramatta overnight, but they are actually 1/230. Parramatta went the slog and declared at 2/140 after 20 overs. I really can't understand why Parramatta didn't bat out the whole day. Effectively having a free shot at outright points.
I also can't understand why at the toss Cook would tell the opposition captain he was going to declare, thus meaning if Parra won the toss they were going to make Wests bat and secure the six points. Why not just wait and see what happened? Parra probably would've batted if they won the toss cause I don't think they were expecting this to happen. And if Wests won the toss they could put Parra in.... And why declare after 10 overs? Why not declare at 0/0 if he was going to.
This whole incident is bizarre.
I understand why Cook has done what he did, and appreciate the motives (Even moreso that Cook is an Englishmen), but don't agree with them.
If it was apparent Clarke wasn't going to get a bat, then I would rather the NSWCA/SCA organise a centre wicket practice next Sunday between a Sydney XI and Clarke and another batsmen (Haddin?)... If you're worried they won't take it seriously enough offer them 500 bucks each if they get either batsmen out before a 100 run partnership or something like that. It's a bit mickey mouse but less so than what happened yesterday.
There's gotta be a better way than how it was done.
Funnily enough Wests are in a great shape to win outright. I thought they were 1/130 and about level with Parramatta overnight, but they are actually 1/230. Parramatta went the slog and declared at 2/140 after 20 overs. I really can't understand why Parramatta didn't bat out the whole day. Effectively having a free shot at outright points.
I also can't understand why at the toss Cook would tell the opposition captain he was going to declare, thus meaning if Parra won the toss they were going to make Wests bat and secure the six points. Why not just wait and see what happened? Parra probably would've batted if they won the toss cause I don't think they were expecting this to happen. And if Wests won the toss they could put Parra in.... And why declare after 10 overs? Why not declare at 0/0 if he was going to.
This whole incident is bizarre.
I understand why Cook has done what he did, and appreciate the motives (Even moreso that Cook is an Englishmen), but don't agree with them.
If it was apparent Clarke wasn't going to get a bat, then I would rather the NSWCA/SCA organise a centre wicket practice next Sunday between a Sydney XI and Clarke and another batsmen (Haddin?)... If you're worried they won't take it seriously enough offer them 500 bucks each if they get either batsmen out before a 100 run partnership or something like that. It's a bit mickey mouse but less so than what happened yesterday.
I don't think he did, they exchanged team sheets thus the opposition captain clearly sees Clarke is playing but next week only, so he makes the smart decision to bowl as they only have 10 players and you wouldn't want to defend any total if the Aussie test captain is playing the following week
There is no way they could have hidden it, you have to declare your team before the toss at every level
- Mar 25, 2003
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It was stated in an article that Cook told the opposition he'd be declaring if Wests batted. The opposition captain said "We're here for the six points" and thus sent Wests in.
Also Wests wouldn't play with 10. They would still have full access to 11 players to bat and bowl on day one. Players move up and down through each grade if state and national players are only available for one week. For instance this week Wests have 12 on their team sheet with Clarke available only day two, and Tahmid Islam available only day one and due to play second grade on day two. Islam is on the Wests second grade team sheet as a DNB even though Wests lost all 10 wickets in seconds. Similarly Easts have 13 on their team sheet this round with Maddinson and Nevill only available day one. Both knocked up an unbeaten 40-50 runs for Easts, but are now considered to be out for next week, so the players who come up from second grade will not be able to bat in Easts first innings, but they can bowl if Easts bowl again and can bat if Easts have a second innings.
But Parramatta still may have bowled anyway on the basis that they would want to deny Clarke batting.
The footnote to this is that CA announced this morning (Monday) that Clarke would play in the tour match in Adelaide this weekend if fit, not in the grade cricket game that had already been sacrificed for him.
Then by the end of the day it was announced he wouldn't be fit for any cricket this weekend.
Farce.
Then by the end of the day it was announced he wouldn't be fit for any cricket this weekend.
Farce.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...st-test-at-gabba/story-fndpt0dy-1227133586959
Don't agree with crash that often but he is right here, clarke should have been ruled out a week ago and if our selectors had any brains or balls they would have also ruled him out of the odi series and prevented this whole mess in the first place.
Clarke is now basically a cripple and a seemingly delusional one at that, selectors need to do what they are paid to do make the hard call and axe him from the WC to focus on tests then tell him to rest up for boxing day(if he's lucky) and then after the sydney test think about nothing other than getting right for the 2015 ashes.
Im sure clarke wants to play all the test this summer all the odi's and the WC and then the ashes...yeah mate so do i but you don't always get what you want.
Don't agree with crash that often but he is right here, clarke should have been ruled out a week ago and if our selectors had any brains or balls they would have also ruled him out of the odi series and prevented this whole mess in the first place.
Clarke is now basically a cripple and a seemingly delusional one at that, selectors need to do what they are paid to do make the hard call and axe him from the WC to focus on tests then tell him to rest up for boxing day(if he's lucky) and then after the sydney test think about nothing other than getting right for the 2015 ashes.
Im sure clarke wants to play all the test this summer all the odi's and the WC and then the ashes...yeah mate so do i but you don't always get what you want.
Take it as read, Michael Clarke and Rod Marsh aren't talking at the moment and haven't done much since the second Pakistan Test when Clarke did no get the team he wanted. There was more to the funky fields on day 1 then you might think.
The_Reaper
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The Harris situation is quite interesting.
He is trusted enough that if he declares himself fit he plays.
He said he needed a whole match but he got 13 overs.
Should he be able to play grade cricket this weekend in Queensland?
Would be 5 days before the test and his team would need to bowl.
He is trusted enough that if he declares himself fit he plays.
He said he needed a whole match but he got 13 overs.
Should he be able to play grade cricket this weekend in Queensland?
Would be 5 days before the test and his team would need to bowl.
The selectors have backed themselves into a corner here - can't have double standards for Harris & Clarke.
The_Reaper
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Harris had gotten through a shield match so far though.
He personally wanted a second match and maybe 13 overs is enough?
I think the Adelaide Test is right after the Gabba test anyway so it could be better for him to miss the Gabba- and let Hazlewood and Siddle play- and bring him back for Adelaide.
The_Reaper
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Imagine getting told that you're Captaining a test match and Maxwell is going to be your test number 3.
Can't blame him for being unhappy
How about this for a radical concept? Instead of the team being somewhere else in the word playing meaningless T20 competitions, how about the players are here, start off the season with a hit or two in grade cricket, then a couple of Shield matches in a lead up to the 1st Test? Sounds familiar? THat's what we used to do before we decided we only needed our best cricketers in Australia for more than 2 months a year.
Black Diamond
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That is more likely why he was made to keep wicket.
Not correct, he was told Maxwell was into the side and was batting 3 after Clarke had publicly campaigned for the retention of Doolan and SOK.
That wouldn't surprise me. I would have thought that selectors pick the side but the captain bats them where he bloody well wants.
Zach Package
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Maxwell? Would have thought it was just a matter of them wanting to give Warner a break because he had to open soon, and there being no real other option.
Black Diamond
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Just repeating what one of the insiders on this board has already alluded to.
