Werewolf The Zombie horde win

[Pie 4 Life]

For at least the third time - there were only two zombies in play last night - both now dead Everyone’s actions would have been a success. The only reason they weren’t to have been is if they tried to target me (protected via Gralin) or they were the unlucky recipient of my roleblock. Our seer advised us that our seer target is not infected. That is the most anyone could have learned from an action last night.

Fact remains you squibbed a key and obvious action last night and it’s sheer dumb luck that jannissary got himself killed. Everyone would have been in a far worse position as a result of your hesitation.

I bet when it comes to your wincon that you would have loved for us to have no kills with the SK gone. You can't hide the fact that you have that additional wincon you see in sight. You say your seer worked but I guess we just have to take your word for it then.

If you don't say their role, the least you can say is who you seered so those with remaining seers aka other evil can seer someone different.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I bet when it comes to your wincon that you would have loved for us to have no kills with the SK gone. You can't hide the fact that you have that additional wincon you see in sight. You say your seer worked but I guess we just have to take your word for it then.

If you don't say their role, the least you can say is who you seered so those with remaining seers aka other evil can seer someone different.

It is impossible for it to have not worked short of a Gralin roleblock. If you don’t trust me when I tell you that our target wasn’t infected then that’s a you problem. I can’t see any possible motivation for me to lie about that.

You are more astute than this.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

It is impossible for it to have not worked short of a Gralin roleblock. If you don’t trust me when I tell you that our target wasn’t infected then that’s a you problem. I can’t see any possible motivation for me to lie about that.

You are more astute than this.

I’m not questioning whether or not you found infected or not, I’m saying you’ve moved onto your wincon which is why you’ve shut up shop.

Meanwhile the far more likely zombie option (one of those I listed IMO) among us is sitting back enjoying the is.

I’m still very much on track to eradicate the zombies first. Janissary I didn’t trust but it was not lost on me you were getting us to wipe out good roles. I admit you were right in hindsight, but you would have won out regardless if they weren’t because you could just go
“Whoopsies guess they weren’t” and it helps with your main wincon.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Everybody else in the game today:

 

[jmoo wan]

so 1 zombie left can still recruit and it doesn’t matter if they are patient zero or not right? so boncer may not have recruited successfully?

 

[Pie 4 Life]

so 1 zombie left can still recruit and it doesn’t matter if they are patient zero or not right? so boncer may not have recruited successfully?

We know there is one zombie left based off Nothing's post when jannissary was modkilled.

 

[jmoo wan]

We know there is one zombie left based off Nothing's post when jannissary was modkilled.

yes that’s right!

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I’m not questioning whether or not you found infected or not, I’m saying you’ve moved onto your wincon which is why you’ve shut up shop.

Meanwhile the far more likely zombie option (one of those I listed IMO) among us is sitting back enjoying the is.

I’m still very much on track to eradicate the zombies first. Janissary I didn’t trust but it was not lost on me you were getting us to wipe out good roles. I admit you were right in hindsight, but you would have won out regardless if they weren’t because you could just go
“Whoopsies guess they weren’t” and it helps with your main wincon.

I don’t have to share everything I learn if it’s not pertinent to the village eliminating zombies. I haven’t moved on to any win con, we still need to get rid of the final zombie today.

I’m curious why you’re sitting here analysing what I’m providing to the n’th degree yet haven’t indicated any desire to question mang (who also would’ve had access to a similar subset of overnight actions, and hasn’t provided anything). I’ve been forthcoming, you haven’t. I also don’t see any real need to trust you on matters of eliminating the last zombie.

I’ll work with anyone willing to work with me, sans zombies. We know the identity of the mafia head but we won’t share it, and we’d like to think they’d extend us they same courtesy. We’re all playing for our range of win cons, but to me it feels like you’re more concerned with keeping the zombie option alive rather than not.

I was happy to take boncer last night because it worked for our dual win conditions: I would’ve taken him even if it didn’t, because eliminating zombies is the common sense step. Shame you refused to see what was bleedingly obvious. I even stated last night that jannissary was more clearly a zombie than boncer - who could have been a very clever red herring from Cadsky had he been a zombie - all I had for that one was another faction’s word.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I don’t have to share everything I learn if it’s not pertinent to the village eliminating zombies. I haven’t moved on to any win con, we still need to get rid of the final zombie today.

I’m curious why you’re sitting here analysing what I’m providing to the n’th degree yet haven’t indicated any desire to question mang (who also would’ve had access to a similar subset of overnight actions, and hasn’t provided anything). I’ve been forthcoming, you haven’t. I also don’t see any real need to trust you on matters of eliminating the last zombie.

I’ll work with anyone willing to work with me, sans zombies. We know the identity of the mafia head but we won’t share it, and we’d like to think they’d extend us they same courtesy. We’re all playing for our range of win cons, but to me it feels like you’re more concerned with keeping the zombie option alive rather than not.

I was happy to take boncer last night because it worked for our dual win conditions: I would’ve taken him even if it didn’t, because eliminating zombies is the common sense step. Shame you refused to see what was bleedingly obvious. I even stated last night that jannissary was more clearly a zombie than boncer - who could have been a very clever red herring from Cadsky had he been a zombie - all I had for that one was another faction’s word.

I'm questioning you because you're here. The fact another kill did not go through is very much on my agenda today. But again, that is more pertinent than me choosing to hold a kill. But right now the last zombie as I said is sitting back and enjoying their time as we go back and forth.

Would it not make more sense for a mang in that evil group (who still has the ability to control actions) than a flog group who had one action and they believed it would be used last night?

I'm not sure if the two kills from mang dying still works if he's turned a zombie? Might still do, but that seems a hell of a lot more convincing than a flog that for all intensive purposes would have had no actions left for the zombie heard to use in the game.

I agree that in hindsight - what a wonderful thing - that the shot being taken would have been better, so that's a mistake on my behalf. However now through (as you put it pure luck), we now still have a kill so it means there is an extra kill in play IF mang or opposite evil have been turned.

We can debate this to the cows come home or we can go about finding the last zombie. If you doubt I have that as my main focus, then you'll be relieved to know that of those five players I named as my most suspicious (due to posting numbers), one is a flog. So I'm not just looking externally, but internally as well.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I'm questioning you because you're here. The fact another kill did not go through is very much on my agenda today. But again, that is more pertinent than me choosing to hold a kill. But right now the last zombie as I said is sitting back and enjoying their time as we go back and forth.

Would it not make more sense for a mang in that evil group (who still has the ability to control actions) than a flog group who had one action and they believed it would be used last night?

I'm not sure if the two kills from mang dying still works if he's turned a zombie? Might still do, but that seems a hell of a lot more convincing than a flog that for all intensive purposes would have had no actions left for the zombie heard to use in the game.

I agree that in hindsight - what a wonderful thing - that the shot being taken would have been better, so that's a mistake on my behalf. However now through (as you put it pure luck), we now still have a kill so it means there is an extra kill in play IF mang or opposite evil have been turned.

We can debate this to the cows come home or we can go about finding the last zombie. If you doubt I have that as my main focus, then you'll be relieved to know that of those five players I named as my most suspicious (due to posting numbers), one is a flog. So I'm not just looking externally, but internally as well.

We have very different ideas about what an optimal recruitment process looks like. The two initial recruits (Kurve and jannisary) are both players that go under the radar - but the person that recruited them was not on charge of last night’s recruitment, so it’s a moot point. It could be practically anyone. We’ll know more once actions start inexplicably getting missed, maybe from tomorrow.

It’s a crapshoot though unless mang has something useful for us. I know for certain two identities that were not bitten. That’s all I have to go off.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Im happy to shut up and listen for a bit - just hope what I’ve been saying isn’t falling on deaf ears with everyone else the way it appears to be to you.

 

[MKMatty]

If they were going to target a flog, it would not be me as the most active (and potentially protected) lol. It would be random and land on the quietest member of our group IMO.

I’ve been really quiet the last few days and to be honest haven’t really interacted with this game, so as the quietest flog in our PM I’m happy to be lynched if it proves the flogs haven’t been infected.

You’d think I’d have been told if I was and I haven’t received any correspondence to tell me as such.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Im happy to shut up and listen for a bit - just hope what I’ve been saying isn’t falling on deaf ears with everyone else the way it appears to be to you.

It hasn't fallen on deaf ears, I've admitted my fault and explained my reasoning. I have no problem working with you to eradicate the last zombie. My issue was with the wincons and you saying that I would be the logical choice for the zombies. I disagree as there was a chance I was eliminated. For me, boncer would target someone with no chance of being protected. Given mang's role was out in the open and the missed actions, that is a good place to start. However I also still have a big belief that you want to target one of the quieter roles if you're a zombie. Makes me think that perhaps one of those quieter roles could be in mang's faction hence a missed action.

But also happy to hear from someone else who isn't one of us.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I’ve been really quiet the last few days and to be honest haven’t really interacted with this game, so as the quietest flog in our PM I’m happy to be lynched if it proves the flogs haven’t been infected.

You’d think I’d have been told if I was and I haven’t received any correspondence to tell me as such.

Happy to take you at face value, but had to include you in the list for obvious reasons. There is 5-6 who could be, let's be honest.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

As an aside, is it possible janissary didn't submit actions because they knew that they would come up "unsuccessful" on account of being a zombie, therefore didn't bother and thought they didn't have to?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

It hasn't fallen on deaf ears, I've admitted my fault and explained my reasoning. I have no problem working with you to eradicate the last zombie. My issue was with the wincons and you saying that I would be the logical choice for the zombies. I disagree as there was a chance I was eliminated. For me, boncer would target someone with no chance of being protected. Given mang's role was out in the open and the missed actions, that is a good place to start. However I also still have a big belief that you want to target one of the quieter roles if you're a zombie. Makes me think that perhaps one of those quieter roles could be in mang's faction hence a missed action.

But also happy to hear from someone else who isn't one of us.

My understanding is that the night someone gets infected their action still goes through. Hence the difference between “infected” and “zombie”.

If that assumption is the case then every action should have gone through (which I have now said upwards of 5 times). Roleblock, doc protection and night immunity are the exceptions, and the Army would probably want to step carefully given we know the identity of their night immune.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I’ve been really quiet the last few days and to be honest haven’t really interacted with this game, so as the quietest flog in our PM I’m happy to be lynched if it proves the flogs haven’t been infected.

You’d think I’d have been told if I was and I haven’t received any correspondence to tell me as such.

It doesn’t prove the flogs havent been infected. It does diminish the advantage an infected flog would have though and make it a less desirable cluster moving forward.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

As an aside, is it possible janissary didn't submit actions because they knew that they would come up "unsuccessful" on account of being a zombie, therefore didn't bother and thought they didn't have to?

I’d be guessing they didn’t realise that they could also recruit and that it wasn’t just the original zombie that was entitled to.

Either that or it was a protest (in)action or they were just really busy.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

^I’m assuming the missed actions were two consecutive recruitments, not two consecutive seers. Doesn’t make sense to be punished for not submitting actions you can’t use.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

^ This is all me listening and not talking

 

[Pie 4 Life]

My understanding is that the night someone gets infected their action still goes through. Hence the difference between “infected” and “zombie”.

If that assumption is the case then every action should have gone through (which I have now said upwards of 5 times). Roleblock, doc protection and night immunity are the exceptions, and the Army would probably want to step carefully given we know the identity of their night immune.

So essentially manangatang should have some news that might be pertinent to eradicating the zombies (or they hit your Leader).

 

[Tarkyn_24]

So essentially manangatang should have some news that might be pertinent to eradicating the zombies (or they hit your Leader).

Yes, but he might want to be selective with that. The village would love if he wasn’t though

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Actually I misread your post.

Unless they seered the infected player I don’t see how they’d have news. The missed kill shouldn’t yet indicate that the person responsible for their kill has been bitten unless I’m wrong about this:

My understanding is that the night someone gets infected their action still goes through. Hence the difference between “infected” and “zombie”.

If I am wrong though, I can entirely clear one teammate of mine of being infected. Silver linings and all that.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Actually I misread your post.

Unless they seered the infected player I don’t see how they’d have news. The missed kill shouldn’t yet indicate that the person responsible for their kill has been bitten unless I’m wrong about this:


If I am wrong though, I can entirely clear one teammate of mine of being infected. Silver linings and all that.

That's how I took it. You don't find out until after night actions and therefore are not impacted until the following night actions. Similar to any night action (other than a block or kill obviously) that takes place such as an intimidation. You weren't infected when making a night action, therefore it should go through.

Night action.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

That's how I took it. You don't find out until after night actions and therefore are not impacted until the following night actions. Similar to any night action (other than a block or kill obviously) that takes place such as an intimidation. You weren't infected when making a night action, therefore it should go through.

Night action.

Hence we conclude the only remaining zombie was infected last night, and thus a miss is not indicative of being infected.