Just like the VCE I guess.
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VCE is a bit different due to the high stakes associated, but if you're suggesting that the VCE system is flawed just like NAPLAN, of course it is.
Every system has its flaws.
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I had to take a super this morning. The class is one I take for a different subject. Because I wasn't the regular teacher the students really tried it on and I had to crack down on them. The next lesson I had pretty much the exact same class for one of my regular classes. They were perfect.
Unbelievable isn't it, how students behaviour changes the second their normal routine is broken. Casual clothes days at school is a great example.
So true. Even being in another room away from their everyday classroom can change behaviour too. I taught art for a while at a primary school and found with a couple of classes that it was much better to do it in their classroom than the Art Room.
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Lol I did Camp America twice, that's how I guess it all began for me.
It depends on what your career goals are. There are definitely pros and cons of the job, ill just dot point them..
PROS:
- is quite a rewarding job, good to see students who struggle in class usually, make progress/mature
- No reports, no marking, no yard duty, no extra work to take home at night, weekends or holidays. When you are off the clock, you are off.
- Varied role- you usually will not be following just the one student, or subject. You may have strengths in one particular subject, but you usually wouldnt be just timetabled in THAT subject if that makes sense.
- Get to go on excursions, camps.
- Great hours. Mine are 8am-4pm, Mon-Fri. Can negotiate with Principal for other hours tho, including 3 or 4 day week.
CONS:
- while teachers are always respectful and great to work with (99% of the time) you are bottom of the heap and there is a hierachy within the school, its very clear
- No real chance to move upwards in the school; unless you get further training/do more courses (FWIW i do know of one aide at my school does have his coaching cert so he was able to do some hockey coaching as well as be an aide)
- its tough, you are working with the "lowest" most challenging kids in the school, all day, everyday (with the exception of free periods which would vary from school to school) and its draining. If you're sick, stay home, trust me on that.
- not a fantastic salary, is quite lower than a teacher. FWIW tho i just bought my own apartment at 38yo, am living alone and can easily afford the repayments.
I would do the Cert 3/4- that's what I did. The school (private catholic) did hire me before I got it tho, on the proviso that I did get it,. I worked at a public school for 1.5 years before i got the job there, and got my foot in the door in the first place in a front office role before they trained me themselves to be an aide for the rest of the time i was there.
If you know anyone in a school, use them- ask around. There may be positions going now but would most likely be full already for the year. Next intake could be half way thru the year at june/july, otherwise seriously look around come October/November.
Good luck
Super late reply, but appreciate this a ton. The cons don't seem to concern me too much, I understand the salary isn't too substantial however, if I'm happy and enjoy what I'm doing, the money is a lesser concern. Happiness comes first.
I'm currently in the midst of a 2-year stint in the states as an Au Pair, so the experience I believe will be valuable if I am to go down the TA road.
Will be 28 by the time I am home & do you think it would be more difficult to get into this industry/role as a male?
My mum's been in it for years, ok it's not going to get you rich on its own but I think the pay is very reasonable for something that doesn't require a massive amount of education and training, plus all of those extra holidays.
There is a bloke in his 50's an ex army chef at the school near me, he just started out with some relief help in the home economics classes and they ended up taking him on full time as an aide. Just a guess but being a bloke could even be a slight advantage as they might like some diversification with it being mostly a female occupation.
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Spoke to an English kindy teacher in his first 6 months of this profession and he is excluding an autistic boy from a performance in his 4 year old kindergarten class: he went on a rant about he fidgets around a lot and can't sing nor dance. This is a class of 4 year old kids. He is reportedly not very popular in his school.
He is quitting his job in July to go back to uni to study another profession and I will just say that would be a better place for him right now.
He is quitting his job in July to go back to uni to study another profession and I will just say that would be a better place for him right now.
Big time. Add that onto my load of being a coordinator and I'm barely doggy paddling. Profession is becoming extremely bureaucratic as the years go by.
Giving up the coordinator role and just going back to being a normal English teacher at the end of the year. Sucks the life out of you.
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I am an experienced senior teacher, which, in Queensland, is the top rung on the salary progression scale before you go into admin. I just see the admin at my staff and, as Breustiful says, they seem to have had the life sucked out of them. For a few thousand dollars extra a year? No thanks.
Most of us are. The amount of double handling, meetings and assessments we are required to do reflect this.
Heck, even one of our APT's is dedicated to a PLC meeting (leaving us with 2 hours to plan our weekly planners and resources) to look at data and plan intervention groups and discuss what peer observations we have done. Our school expects that we have peer obs done once a fortnight or you need to justify to leadership why you have not done one.
The whole 30+8 model in the vic agreement is BS because most Prins can work their away around it.. Ours has.
Don't say that as I was planning on asking for a leading teacher/learning specialist role at the end of the year. I have already been given the role of leading our literacy team and overhauling the program due to poor data over the last couple of years (and I was knocked back at the end of last year for one of these roles because I haven't been a team leader)..
For those who have had student teachers: do you find it takes Uni's ages to get the reimbursements to you? I never really noticed it before now when our new student teacher co-ordinator picked it up. It's been 5 weeks since our last batch finished up and still no money. Would be nice to get it before the holidays as I had a student teacher for 5 weeks on her lastyear of rounds.
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I've received it in term 4 from a term 2 placement before.
I'm not taking one this year, the universities wouldn't release students to come on camp when we desperately needed volunteers, so when we got the emails I thought I'd do the same.
It's a bit slack that Universities pay that late. The one we have students from have been good for camps when we need it.
Our co-ordinator is going to call up about money as she said many teachers need tje moneu now... not 3-6 months later.
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Bit of happy news;
Student phones banned at Victorian public schools
Ashley Argoon, Herald Sun
A mobile phone ban will be enforced for students at every public school across Victoria from next year.
Students will be forbidden from having a mobile phone on them between the first school bell and the last, from Term 1 in 2020.
All mobile phones at both government primary and secondary campuses will have to be turned off and kept in pupils’ lockers under a new Andrews Government policy.
Exemptions will only apply for children who use phones to monitor health conditions, or when teachers instruct students to bring their phones to class for an activity.
Education minister James Merlino will announce the ban on Wednesday, which aims to tackle cyber bullying and improve learning outcomes.
“This will remove a major distraction from our classrooms, so that teachers can teach, and students can learn in a more focused, positive and supported environment,” Mr Merlino said.
“Half of all young people have experienced cyber-bullying. By banning mobiles we can stop it at the school gate.”
Least we're doing something right!
Student phones banned at Victorian public schools
Ashley Argoon, Herald Sun
A mobile phone ban will be enforced for students at every public school across Victoria from next year.
Students will be forbidden from having a mobile phone on them between the first school bell and the last, from Term 1 in 2020.
All mobile phones at both government primary and secondary campuses will have to be turned off and kept in pupils’ lockers under a new Andrews Government policy.
Exemptions will only apply for children who use phones to monitor health conditions, or when teachers instruct students to bring their phones to class for an activity.
Education minister James Merlino will announce the ban on Wednesday, which aims to tackle cyber bullying and improve learning outcomes.
“This will remove a major distraction from our classrooms, so that teachers can teach, and students can learn in a more focused, positive and supported environment,” Mr Merlino said.
“Half of all young people have experienced cyber-bullying. By banning mobiles we can stop it at the school gate.”
Least we're doing something right!
Leading teacher, depending on the role can have minimal student interaction as opposed to a coordinator role. Mate of mine is staff development, deals with the incapable teachers. Often makes me prefer the bad students! I'd go for it, better than student management.
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Great news. Schools should have implemented this anyway. The social interactions of young people is in dire straits.
A blanket rule is actually ****ing stupid. There are plenty of schools who have worked hard to make personal electronic devices (inc mobiles) into productive classroom tools.
At least need to make room for exceptions.
I'm happy with the blanket rule. There is no need fot students to have phones on them at school.
How's everyone feeling at the end of this term? One of the hardest terms from a workload perspective that I can remember in my 10 years.
Best news ever. Kids are zombies in the yard. They're a pain at times in class too.
Next step forward is to ban one to one laptop programs
Next step forward is to ban one to one laptop programs
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Im sure they have, but at what cost? We've reached the tipping point.
