Tigers caretaker coach Jade Rawlings to join Lions

[UpTheGuts]

Geez Tiger fans turn on their own at a second's notice.

People lining up on the Richmond board to pot Rawlings for simply trying to expand his horizons and gain wider experience.

Leppa is appearing to do the same thing yet no one here would take shots at him for it.

No wonder their club has such a cultural problem... every few years bring in a new staff... if the club doesn't perform, sack the lot and scapegoat them for everything that went wrong... rinse, repeat. Never look deeper.

Stuck in a loop of mediocrity and instability.

Who'd want to work there? Bunch of cannibals. Hardwick has his work cut out for him.

Rawlings showed very little as a coach. I remember he left Wirrpanda alone for a half at Etihad and he tore us a new one. Might have been a nice bloke etc, but really - he's 31, was never much as a player and basically likes footy.

Wish him well, but certainly wasn't impressed. McRae's role as development coach for 5 years was hardly distinguished either.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Wish him well, but certainly wasn't impressed.

Others seem to disagree. Regardless, can only work with the cattle available.

McRae's role as development coach for 5 years was hardly distinguished either.

Has only been at Richmond for 3 years. Before that, his development career was very distinguished.

Maybe the Richmond FC is the constant here.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Has only been at Richmond for 3 years. Before that, his development career was very distinguished.

Before he joined us, he hosted a Triple M show with Aker. I'm sure he shone in that development role

 

[Hollow Knight]

Before he joined us, he hosted a Triple M show with Aker. I'm sure he shone in that development role

2006 Queensland U18 side.

Do some research.

Then you might stop embarrassing yourself (including ludicrous trade suggestions involving Lachie Henderson).

 

[UpTheGuts]

From which, what, 6 players were drafted? Just lucky I guess.

What happened to the rest?

We were doing well in the reserves until McRae took over, then we didn't win again. Truly atrocious. He was Oakley-Nicholls' mentor and said at a club function he was the CHB of the future.

He will be much happier doing what Voss tells him to instead of having to think for himself

 

[Hollow Knight]

McRae 2006 U18 alumni currently on AFL lists.

Armitage
Hampson
Urquhart
Proud
Renouf
Petterd
Tippett
Warren
Spackman
Kiel

Meanwhile Richmond's entire 2005 draft crop have been delisted.

A development coach is only as good as his recruitment staff.

 

[Lions1024]

I like Rawlings as a coach. He actually brought some good ideas for Richmond at the backend of the year and i thought he deserved to be the head coach. Good move by us.

 

[UpTheGuts]

I like Rawlings as a coach. He actually brought some good ideas for Richmond at the backend of the year and i thought he deserved to be the head coach. Good move by us.

Name 2...

 

[UpTheGuts]

McRae 2006 U18 alumni currently on AFL lists.

Armitage
Hampson
Urquhart
Proud
Renouf
Petterd
Tippett
Warren
Spackman
Kiel

Meanwhile Richmond's entire 2005 draft crop have been delisted.

A development coach is only as good as his recruitment staff.

Thus, Kermit could have coached that side for a few months and done OK?

Starting to see the flaw in your argument here?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Thus, Kermit could have coached that side for a few months and done OK?

Starting to see the flaw in your argument here?

You fell straight into the trap I set. Thanks.

Lesson here is that a development coach's performance is extremely dependent on the quality of the cattle available.

How many Richmond coaches have had their reputations tarnished thanks to the Greg Miller legacy?

Would we be having this discussion if Richmond took Mitch Clark over Jared Oakley-Nicholls, Kurt Tippett over Shane Edwards, Bernie Vince over Cleve Hughes and Andrew Swallow over Travis Casserley?

 

[Roger The Sheep]

RFC are as much a rabble off the field as they are on it. Fly couldn't wait to get out of the place.

 

[chopperduck]

Dont know a lot about Rawlings myself, but i think for his age he does come with a lot of experience, and more importantly, experience outside of the gabba. He has coached at both VFL and AFL level, so i do like his appointment. Does kind of refresh the coaching pannel. I would still like a good tatical coach to be signed though. Not sure how tatical Rawlings is.

 

[Grimreepah]

Some people on the Richmond board are saying he left because he is 'sooking' that he didn't get the top job. But judging from his comments it seems to me that he didn't think it was ideal for the head coach to have an assistant who was overlooked for his position.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Some people on the Richmond board are saying he left because he is 'sooking' that he didn't get the top job. But judging from his comments it seems to me that he didn't think it was ideal for the head coach to have an assistant who was overlooked for his position.

Agreed Grim.

"I personally would think that it would be hard for someone who gets appointed to have me around," he said. "[Because of] my passion for the job and my attachment to this group someone may think I've got some sort of worth but that will work itself out, I'm sure."

Going from caretaker coach to unsuccessful applicant for the senior job back to assistant places him in an awkward position. Especially for someone harbouring senior coaching aspirations. Better for Richmond, Hardwick and himself if he moves on.

Astute and pragmatic is my impression, certainly not sooky.

 

[jaykippa]

Name 2...

i can name 1 he left richmond thats worth 2 i rekon

 

[Spluff]

Rawlings will probably be a decent assistant coach, for all that he managed to get the team to perform even worse than when Terry was there, he managed to install something of a defensive mindset in the players, he did quite well at Coburg, knows a lot about the game, and got on well with the players.

In regards to McRae, I can't think of a single positive thing to say about him. Whilst he was the development coach, I thought maybe he didn't have the cattle to work with, but he managed to drive Coburg directly in the ground from sitting comfortably in the top 8 - and that's with added players like Joel Bowden dominating the games.

How about taking Campbell too, to finish off your collection?

 

[Rich01]

McRae 2006 U18 alumni currently on AFL lists.

Armitage
Hampson
Urquhart
Proud
Renouf
Petterd
Tippett
Warren
Spackman
Kiel

Meanwhile Richmond's entire 2005 draft crop have been delisted.

A development coach is only as good as his recruitment staff.

You credit all those players to McCrae's development skills considering he coached them for all of what, 5-6 games?
As head coach? Doubtful. Put it down to their club coaches and development coaches at their AFL club.

The problem with Richmond was twofold. The recruiting was ordinary and so was the development program. As development coach McCrae was employed to get the best of of the youngsters. Hughes and Connors are two cases in point. Have both proven they could play at AFL level, but never went on with it.

A development coach is not only as good as his recruitment staff. They both have to be firing to see the good kids come through to realise their potential.

That's the problem with Richmond. They point fingers at eachother trying to deflect the blame. Clean out the whole lot and start again.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You credit all those players to McCrae's development skills considering he coached them for all of what, 5-6 games?
As head coach? Doubtful. Put it down to their club coaches and development coaches at their AFL club.

Yet Richmond people write him off over just as few games at the helm of Coburg.

Like I said in another thread... it would be convenient to just assume that every single coaching staff member hired by Richmond in the past 5 years has been completely imcompetent... but statistically its very unlikely.

Much more probable that the problem lies deeper.

As a player McRae extracted every bit of performance possible from himself and was an utter professional, was the archtypical team player, and basically invented the role of the defensive small forward. He is also a trained teacher and great communicator. I like his chances as a development coach once he comes to a more success oriented environment.

 

[Rich01]

Yet Richmond people write him off over just as few games at the helm of Coburg.

Agree. He was on a hiding to nothing at Coburg. Players there had been told they were playing out their career there (Bowden, Tuck, Coughlan, Brown, Schulz, JON, I can go on...) and morale was low. Can't judge him on that.

My point remains that he did not have any success rate developing youngsters at Richmond. Throw all the excuses you want at it - recruiting, support, direction from head coach - he didn't achieve what he was employed to do.

That said, a change may do him good. With a new team, different structure and support systems, he could flourish and position himself at the front of the queue for head coaching positions in years to come. Good luck to him.

 

[Spluff]

Agree. He was on a hiding to nothing at Coburg. Players there had been told they were playing out their career there (Bowden, Tuck, Coughlan, Brown, Schulz, JON, I can go on...) and morale was low. Can't judge him on that.

Considering Tuck, Brown, and Coughlan hadn't been told that until they were back in the team (and all featured regularly amongst the best when they were there), Schulz is contracted and JON was in the seconds, I don't think that is a valid excuse for several 100 point drubbings.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Agree. He was on a hiding to nothing at Coburg. Players there had been told they were playing out their career there (Bowden, Tuck, Coughlan, Brown, Schulz, JON, I can go on...) and morale was low. Can't judge him on that.

My point remains that he did not have any success rate developing youngsters at Richmond. Throw all the excuses you want at it - recruiting, support, direction from head coach - he didn't achieve what he was employed to do.

That said, a change may do him good. With a new team, different structure and support systems, he could flourish and position himself at the front of the queue for head coaching positions in years to come. Good luck to him.

Fair enough. There is a fair bit of uncertainty surrounding any coaching appointment.

Even if McRae made some mistakes along the way, its very likely that he's learned from them.

 

[Rich01]

Going from caretaker coach to unsuccessful applicant for the senior job back to assistant places him in an awkward position. Especially for someone harbouring senior coaching aspirations. Better for Richmond, Hardwick and himself if he moves on.

Also agree with this. I went to a few Coburg games over the past couple of years when Rawlings was coaching and listened in to his 1/4 and 3/4 time speeches. Typical VFL rev ups for sure, but delivered a very simple message and specific instructions to individual players. Seemed to focus more on individual players rather than an actual game plan. Was not surprised when he said that he was overwhelmed by the information and suggestions coming to him via the statisticians and assistant coaches in AFL. Seems a good player person, I'm not sold on his tactical nous. But he speaks well, gets along well with players, and has time to learn the strategic side of the game. If used in the right way, I think he could be quite beneficial to the Lions.

 

[Bojangles17]

It'll be a very young coaching group next year with McRae (35), Voss (34) and now Rawlings (31).

I wonder what role Rawlings will have. Before being caretaker coach what was his role at Richmond?

was coach of our coburg allied VFL team, finalist in 2008 and top 4 at halfway point then McCrae got his hands on them and they finished outside of 8...he has a some nous,and at 31yo obviously some real upside...a good get

 

[Rich01]

Considering Tuck, Brown, and Coughlan hadn't been told that until they were back in the team (and all featured regularly amongst the best when they were there), Schulz is contracted and JON was in the seconds, I don't think that is a valid excuse for several 100 point drubbings.

So what if they weren't officially told. Did you go to any of those games?
Tuck, Brown, Schulz et al all put in pea heart performances at various times. No chasing, no second efforts. Disgraceful. Relied on pure talent in the VFL rather than doing the hard yards like some Coburg listed players. For players on quite substantial contracts, the example they set was appalling.

McCrae had nothing to work with in those final few games.

 

[Spluff]

So what if they weren't officially told. Did you go to any of those games?
Tuck, Brown, Schulz et al all put in pea heart performances at various times. No chasing, no second efforts. Disgraceful. Relied on pure talent in the VFL rather than doing the hard yards like some Coburg listed players. For players on quite substantial contracts, the example they set was appalling.

McCrae had nothing to work with in those final few games.

McCrae in the final games had exactly the same list as Rawlings had in those final games (possibly even better, as there was no McMahon etc.), as by that time the old blokes were back in the AFL and the young blokes were back in the VFL. Tuck and Brown did not put in pea hearted performances and looked several steps above the level, and Schulz did what he always did - the same thing he was doing whilst Rawlings was there.