Expansion Time to ACT on Canberra

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Wow - an article from Wilson that makes sense...

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/time-to-act-on-slighted-canberra/2008/06/21/1214009173094.html

TWO years ago, this column visited Canberra in the dying days of the Kangaroos' shortlived and wasteful partnership with Manuka Oval and a city that boasted a relatively small but passionate pocket of AFL supporters.
On this particular day, the good football-loving folk of Canberra had gathered in the National Press Club to listen to a couple of senior AFL journalists, North Melbourne executives and New South Wales AFL identities talk about the game.
And they were angry, sensing that the game was yet again on the verge of deserting them for hotter and sexier pastures. Canberra football fans, who appeared to spread from Sydney's west to the Riverina, did not want blow-in football teams. They wanted a side they could follow and be passionate about.
They were right. North Melbourne that day could not provide its supporters in the national capital with answers and several months later would turn its back on Canberra for the Gold Coast in an ill-thought-out dash for cash that would prove even more disastrous for the game and its image.
Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs — two more Victorian clubs who desperately need the money and have no intention of working to develop the code in the Australian Capital Territory — have been dumped onto the Manuka Oval in a continuation of an agreement that ends at the finish of next season.
In a bid to appease local clubs and the ACT Government, which contributes towards the largely AFL-funded $400,000 per game earned by the home clubs, Sydney has been given two away games in Canberra. In that sense the current ad hoc arrangement makes everybody happy, but it cannot go on.
Melbourne says it wants two home games in Canberra next season, but that club's long-term plan states that the MCG is pivotal to its crumbling and largely meaningless current image and surely Jim Stynes' vision does not seriously include Canberra, while the Bulldogs have no real interest in the ACT except for the money.
History relates that the AFL ignored its stronghold in the national capital decades ago and lost it but now it has a second chance given the current fragility of the territory's other football codes.
And yet there is no plan in place for the city that houses the Federal Government beyond next year.
The AFL is throwing millions of dollars into the Gold Coast and Sydney's west and Canberra is now making noises not dissimilar to Tasmania, whose devoted football followers cannot understand why they have been ignored in the game's long-term thinking.

The AFL's regional ACT boss, Brian Quade, wants three home-and-away games a season at Manuka by 2010, but has received no hint from headquarters that the competition plans to ramp up its presence in Canberra, nor that it has a plan at all.
The Western Bulldogs have asked the AFL about its plans for Canberra beyond 2009, but have heard nothing.
"If we lose AFL games here and if we don't have a presence here, the game will be lost," said Quade. "If we walk away from Canberra, we've got no chance of ever coming back. There is value to the development of western Sydney too to have some games here and I'd like to think they saw a role for us.
"Unless we present a positive plan, the ACT Government is only going to come to the party for so long. A western Sydney side will only be 2½ hours away and we've got the Swans reserves in the competition here. This is a crucial time for us."
Perhaps it makes sense to fixture three home games a season in Canberra for the second Sydney team should it truly emerge as an AFL team by 2012.
Clearly Homebush and its 80,000 capacity will not provide a permanent home-game venue and the ACT deserves at least a stakehold in a side that believes it will take at least a decade to gain 25,000 members. In the meantime, the territory's fans need a stable, reliable, if short-term relationship.
It is true that the Kangaroos treated Canberra shamefully, turning their backs on a partner desperate for affection and quality time with the full support of the AFL.
The AFL is developing a long-term reputation for unreliability in the ACT, so it wouldn't hurt to over-correct that. Canberra may be a small market but it spreads a long way and has some powerful people living there.
 
Wow - an article from Wilson that makes sense...

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/time-to-act-on-slighted-canberra/2008/06/21/1214009173094.html

...Perhaps it makes sense to fixture three home games a season in Canberra for the second Sydney team should it truly emerge as an AFL team by 2012.

Clearly Homebush and its 80,000 capacity will not provide a permanent home-game venue and the ACT deserves at least a stakehold in a side that believes it will take at least a decade to gain 25,000 members. ...

Worth considering.
 

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Canberra gets small crowds for most codes, and the AFL would be competing with a union, league and maybe a soccer team soon.

It does have a lot of potential though. It is only 1.5 hours from Sydney outskirts, has a surrounding population of 500,000 people, powerful people living there, and will probably end up becoming the next major destination for migrants. It has the infrastructure already in place for a million people. Most migrants and, even local residents, just don't like the culture or living there. That can change quickly though. Canberra was a shocking place 20 years ago. Had strong ant-development lobbies that opposed waterside developments and even cafes with street seating. Now the development lobby has taken over and the city is 1,000 times better. Give the developers another 10 years and it will be a great city. When that occurs, it will definitely be a city that the AFL will want a presence in.
 
Unless the new team is the NSW ??? or NSW-ACT ???, they will play all games in WS.

Dees should strike up a Hawks-Tassie style deal with Canberra.
 
Agree Catters.

The Dogs wanted to play 2 games in Darwin but the AFL wouldn't let them because they needed games in Canberra.

So if the Dees pick up a game in Canberra, the Dogs will most likely play 2 in Darwin.

That will again leave the Roos (& maybe Saints) off the pace interms of revenue opportunity for the smaller / middle sized clubs.

I reckon the North should play a couple of games V interstate clubs (WS / GC) at Lavington in Albury.
 
Agree Catters.

The Dogs wanted to play 2 games in Darwin but the AFL wouldn't let them because they needed games in Canberra.

So if the Dees pick up a game in Canberra, the Dogs will most likely play 2 in Darwin.

That will again leave the Roos (& maybe Saints) off the pace interms of revenue opportunity for the smaller / middle sized clubs.

I reckon the North should play a couple of games V interstate clubs (WS / GC) at Lavington in Albury.

AFL need to get their shit together.

Roos could host a game in Ballarat or Bendigo. :p

But I want to see Melbourne and Bulldogs put a bit more effort into it rather then just grab the quick cash. If they put more effort into it the AFL will not be able to get rid of them. As NT and ACT are too small for their own AFL teams you would think.
 
Agree Catters.

The Dogs wanted to play 2 games in Darwin but the AFL wouldn't let them because they needed games in Canberra.

So if the Dees pick up a game in Canberra, the Dogs will most likely play 2 in Darwin.

That will again leave the Roos (& maybe Saints) off the pace interms of revenue opportunity for the smaller / middle sized clubs.

I reckon the North should play a couple of games V interstate clubs (WS / GC) at Lavington in Albury.

The problem with that idea is that these games are mostly funded by the AFL. The AFL decides it needs games played in certain areas and will pay a guaranteed amount to a club to do so in conjunction with local authorities. A place like Albury (or any other small population regional centre) isn't going to have the AFL getting out it's wallet, so it's going to be up to the club itself to try and make it work. And a 10k crowd with few corporates aren't going to be generating much money unless they can get some big dollar sponsors attached (eg. the Hawks Tassie deal).
 
Canberra gets small crowds for most codes, and the AFL would be competing with a union, league and maybe a soccer team soon.

It does have a lot of potential though. It is only 1.5 hours from Sydney outskirts, has a surrounding population of 500,000 people, powerful people living there, and will probably end up becoming the next major destination for migrants. It has the infrastructure already in place for a million people. Most migrants and, even local residents, just don't like the culture or living there. That can change quickly though. Canberra was a shocking place 20 years ago. Had strong ant-development lobbies that opposed waterside developments and even cafes with street seating. Now the development lobby has taken over and the city is 1,000 times better. Give the developers another 10 years and it will be a great city. When that occurs, it will definitely be a city that the AFL will want a presence in.

Good call. Spot on in every regard.
 

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NO AFL IN CANBERRA !

They do not support AFL at all here, to even try and watch an AFL game here at a club when the rugby is playing is impossible.

Secondly "Canberrans" have an identity crisis, they only telecast all Sydney games and ignore all the other blockbuster games.

Newsflash Canberra, but Sydney do not want you ! Just your money at the gate !

It is such a depressing place to live in.

I would rather AFL in Tassie ahead of this place.
 
NO AFL IN CANBERRA !

They do not support AFL at all here, to even try and watch an AFL game here at a club when the rugby is playing is impossible.

Secondly "Canberrans" have an identity crisis, they only telecast all Sydney games and ignore all the other blockbuster games.

Newsflash Canberra, but Sydney do not want you ! Just your money at the gate !

It is such a depressing place to live in.

I would rather AFL in Tassie ahead of this place.

Yeah, Canberreans are a negative lot. It was basically designed by people with personalities like Bob Brown and then populated with Bob Browns. It will take a few more years of private investment to change the Bob Brown style culture. It will change though.

Unfortunately, Tasmania looks like it will be the land of Bob Browns for many decades to come.
 
Rob, I am pretty sure the cash for playing in Canberra does not come from the AFL.
Give the Roos a clean stadium at Lavington and the gate, a 20K crowd should net them at least $400K.
http://www.austadiums.com.au/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=63

It was certainly negotiated by the AFL with the ACT government chipping in some. I doubt a place like Lavington could give the same guarantees. The NSW government certainly isn't going to care.

Not saying it's not possible, but without AFL backing it's going to be hard and with a lot of risk. Lavington's a fantastic country ground, but it doesn't have many seats, hardly any corporate facilities and any club would need to spend a lot of money on facilities for a one off (and given that it's likely to be a Fox only game I doubt returns from signage are going to be that high). I reckon net $400k would be pretty optimistic.
 
Not a bad idea, Lavington.
Is that the ground with the brick fence? The opening game of the Foster's Cup back in the early 90s was played there I think.
Not sure about the brick fence, but this is Lavington Oval -

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From Austadiums http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=63

"Located in Centaur Road Lavington, just North of Albury, Lavington Sports Club Oval is one of the premier sporting ovals in country New South Wales and regularly hosts sporting events such as AFL & NRL practice games. Lavington Football Club and the Lavington Cricket Club both call the ground home, while it also plays host to local Grand Finals and was the home of former VFL club Murray Kangaroos. The ground has a capacity of over 25,000 and has a main grandstand with seating for 1,250, as well as TV standard lighting on 4 large towers."

record crowd 20,169 - 20/3/1995 VFL Trial Game: Essendon v Carlton

For the previous 2 years (2006 & 2007) The O&M League GF crowd has exceeded 17,000 and last year over 50,000 attended the O&M League finals.

Further ground info http://www.lavingtonpanthersfc.com.au/ (scroll down).

Lavington Football Club recently became the Lavington Panthers when the Sports club merged with the Penrith Panthers Leagues Club. It has a large (by country standards) Panthers leagues club next to the oval - but in this case, being in Albury, the Panthers Leagues club proceeds supports an Australian Football club.

Lavington Oval would need upgrading, with a lot more seating installed (as Manuka Oval and York Park, Launceston have now) if it was ever to host a H&A AFL match. But if it did, a big crowd is a certainty. Then again, Robs points are valid.
 
Even without corporate support, signage, etc, 20,000 X $20 = $400,000.

All the local council would need to do is cover opening costs, staffing, etc, which they could recoup via charging $5 for carparking anyway. .
 
West Sydney should play in Sydney.

MelbourneFC can host 2-3 games in Canberra, then they should build a Canberra VFL team.

Spot-on about Canberra in the VFL - should have been done the same time the Tasmanian VFL team came in.

As with the Tassie-Hawthorn deal, is this not a great template to follow - ie. Western Bulldogs-Darwin (2 games) and Melbourne-Canberra (2 games - one against Sydney & the other against West Sydney)?
 
The AFL has treated Canberra with arrogance and disdain for decades and thats why its lost the city.
Canberra's got successful teams in the NRL and Super14 and will probably eventually have one in the A-League. Its a town that doesn't see itself as a provincial backwater, it sees itself as a major city with its own identity.
The arrogant, sneering scraps it's been fed by the Kangaroos and the AFL in general have left a very bitter taste in the mouth of the average Canberran.

Honestly, even if whats suggested here does happen I think it'd take a long time to overcome the damage the Kangaroos did.
Look at whats happening on the Gold Coast. Its another city with its own teams in other major competitions that felt like it deserved more than scraps, and yet from the AFL got only arrogance, w***ers talking down the city in comparison to Melbourne, and cash grabs.
Now the AFL suddenly is trying to give the Gold Coast a real AFL presence, but its up against the years of antagonism they've built up in the general population.
The same thing would happen in Canberra.
 

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