Time Travel

[Big Vee]

At times like these I often wish I could call the doc and get the delorian to go back in time and fix a few of the mistakes we've made.

Noteable fixes would be signing Kevin Sheedy as head coach in 1981 with Mick Malthouse as assistant, resting Richo for that Sydney game, Browny for the Melbourne game and a few drafts.

I have attached the drafts since 1997 with who we could have picked to see if there was one year we could fix, which would it be, Personally I would love to show this page like Biff's Almanac to the recruiters back in 1999 and I think things may be a bit different to now:


1997

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 2 – Adam Goodes (Went at pick 43, we got Brad Ottens)
Pick 53 – Nathan Brown (Melb) (Went at pick 66, we got Lionel Proctor)
Pick 69 – Nathan Thompson (Went at pick 82, we got Paul Greenham)
Pick 71 – Andrew Kellaway (got this one right)

ROOKIE
Pick 4 – Chad Fletcher (Went at pick 27, we got Chris Bossong)
Pick 20 – Greg Tivendale (got this one right)
Pick 36 – Tarkyn Lockyer (Went at pick 39, we got Ben Hollands)


1998

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 40 – Heath Scotland (Went at pick 44, we got James White)
Pick 55 – Andrew Embley (Went at pick 57, we got Marc Dragicevic)
Pick 68 – Ken McGregor (Went at pick 75, we got Matthew Greig)
Pick 79 – Ray Hall (got this one right)

ROOKIE
Pick 8 – Brett Kirk (Went at pick 40, we got Robert Taylor)
Pick 23 – Antoni Grover (Went at pick 32, we got Teaghan Henderson)

PRE SEASON
Pick 6 – Troy Simmonds (Went at pick 9, we got Clay Sampson)


1999

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 3 – Matthew Pavlich (Went at pick 4, we got Aaron Fiora)
Pick 22 – Paul Chapman (Went at pick 31, we got Ezra Poyas)
Pick 39 – Lindsay Gilbee (Went at pick 43, we got Scott Homewood)
Pick 52 – Ryan O’Keefe (Went at pick 56, we got Andrew Mills)
Pick 78 – Ty Zantuck (got this one right)

ROOKIE
Pick 4 – Tadhg Kennelly (Went at pick 9, we got Ben Haynes)
Pick 21 – Dean Cox (Went at pick 28, we got Royce Vardy)
Pick 37 – Kasey Green (Went at pick 44, we got Rob Taylor)
Pick 51 – Brett Moyle (Went at pick 52, we got Teghan Henderson)
Pick 61 – Sam Anstey (Not drafted but should have been, we got Troy Kirwin)


2000

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 9 – Kane Cornes (Went at pick 18, we got Kane Pettifer)
Pick 25 – Mark Coghlan (got this one right)
Pick 40 – Josh Hunt (Went at pick 44, we got Chris Hyde)
Pick 41 – Dominic Cassisi (Went at pick 50, we got Andrew Krakouer)
Pick 55 – Chris Newman (got this one right)

ROOKIE
Pick 8 – Michael Osborne (Went at pick 11, we got Garth Taylor)
Pick 24 – Darren Jolly (Went at pick 31, we got Adrian Burgiel)
Pick 39 – Max Rooke (Went at pick 41, we got Michael Barker)
Pick 52 – Robert Copeland (Went at pick 66, we got Craig Ednie)


2001

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 33 – Sam Mitchell (Went at pick 36, we got David Rodan)
Pick 63 – Brian Lake (Went at pick 71, we got Adam Houlihan)

ROOKIE
Pick 14 – Matthew Boyd (Went at pick 23, we got Kristian De Pasquale)
Pick 30 – Aaron Sandilands (Went at pick 33, we got Brad Miller)
Pick 45 – Martin Mattner (Went at pick 51, we got Matt King)
Pick 56 – Simon Hart (probably got this right)


2002

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 12 – Daniel Merrett (Went at pick 30, we got Jay Schultz)
Pick 41 – Kade Simpson (Went at pick 45, we got Tim Fleming)
Pick 47 – Adam Selwood (Went at pick 53, we got Bill Nichols)
Pick 62 – Nick Maceski (Went at pick 64, we got Daniel Sipthorp)

ROOKIE
Pick 3 – Brad Sewell (Went at pick 7, we got Kelvin Moore)
Pick 19 – Jason Porplyzia (Went at pick 29, we got Matthew Shir)
Pick 35 – Shannon Byrnes (Went at pick 40, we got Adam Pickering)


2003

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 21 – Jed Adcock (Went at pick 33, we got Alex Gilmour)
Pick 37 – Amon Buchanan (Went at pick 45, we got Thomas Roach)
Pick 53 – Sam Fisher (Went at pick 55, we got Daniel Jackson)
Pick 64 – Jordan Bannister (Went at pick 69, we got Shane Morrison)
Pick 70 – Brent Hartigan (got this right)
Pick 73 – Shane Tuck (got this right)
Pick 76 – Andrew Raines (got this right)
Pick 79 – Simon Fletcher (Carazzo, Davey went early in rookie)
Pick 81 – Kyle Archibald (got this right ??)

ROOKIE
Pick 4 – Nathan Foley (got this right)
Pick 20 – Josh Drummond (Went at pick 47, we got Marc Dragicevic)

PRE SEASON
Pick 4 – Michael Johnson (Went at pick 8, we got Ben Marsh)
Pick 11 – Josh Mahoney (Went at pick 12, we got Luke Weller)


2004

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 1 – Brett Deledio (got this one right)
Pick 4 – Lance Franklin (Went at pick 5, we got Richard Tambling)
Pick 12 – Angus Monfries (Went at pick 14, we got Danny Meyer)
Pick 16 – Sean Rusling (Went at pick 24, we got Adam Pattison)
Pick 20 – Nathan Van Berlo (Went at pick 24, we got Dean Polo)
Pick 36 – Mark Lecras (Went at pick 37, we got Luke McGuane)
Pick 65 – Daniel Pratt (Went at pick 74, we got Mark Graham)

ROOKIE
Pick 1 – Dale Morris (Went at pick 19, we got Will Thursfield)

PRE SEASON
Pick 1 – Eddie Betts (Went at pick 3, we got Trent Knobel)



2005

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 8 – Shaun Higgins (Went at pick 11, we got Jarrad Oakley-Nichols)
Pick 24 – Bernie Vince (Went at pick 32, we got Cleve Hughes)
Pick 40 – Andrew Swallow (Went at pick 43, we got Travis Casserly)

ROOKIE
Pick 5 – Paul Duffield (Went at pick 7, we got Angus Graham)
Pick 21 – Matthew Priddis (Went at pick 31, we got Jeremy Humm)
Pick 36 – Kieren Jack (Went at pick 57, we got Cameron Howat)

PRE SEASON
Pick 5 – Matthew White (Got this one right)


2006

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 13 – Jack Riewoldt (Got this one right)
Pick 26 – Kurt Tippett (Went at pick 32, we got Shane Edwards)
Pick 58 – Daniel Connors (Got this one right)
Pick 60 - Jesse White (Went at pick 79, we got Carl Peterson)
Pick 73 – Andrew Collins (Got this one right)

ROOKIE
Pick 8 – Sharrod Wellingham (Went at pick 10, we got Tasman Clingan)
Pick 24 – Jarrod Harbrow (Went at pick 27, we got Jake King)

PRE SEASON
Pick 6 – Cameron Cloke (Went at pick 9, we got Kent Kingsley)


2007

MAIN DRAFT
Pick 2 – Trent Cotchin (Got this one right)
Pick 18 – Chris Mayne (Went at pick 40, we got Alex Rance)
Pick 51 – Cale Hooker (Went at pick 54, we got Dean Putt)

ROOKIE
Pick 1 – Aaron Joseph (Went at pick 2, we got Clayton Collard)
Pick 17 – Austin Wonaemirri (Went at pick 19, we got Jarrod Silvester)
Pick 33 – Andrew McQualter (Went at pick 39, we got Tristan Cartledge)
Pick 47 – Shane Mumford (Went at pick 57, we got Cameron Howat)

PRE SEASON
Pick 1 – Stefan Martin (Went at pick 3, we got David Gourdis)


2008

MAIN DRAFT
Pick8 – Tyrone Vickery (I think we may have got this one right)
Pick 26 – Dayne Beams (Went at pick 29, we got Jayden Post)
Pick 58 – Tim Ruffles (Went at pick 68, we got Tim Hislop)

ROOKIE
Pick 8 – Robin Nahas (Got this one right)
Pick 24 – Liam Picken (Went at pick 30, we got David Gourdis)
Pick 39 – Garry Moss (Went at pick 73, we got Andrew Browne)
Pick 53 – Greg Broughton (Went at pick 74, we got Alroy Gilligan)

PRE SEASON
Pick 6 – Ben Cousins (Got this one right)


2009 – Too Early to Make Calls

 

[tugga]

15 other clubs could probably compile a similar list. Each club has their draft hard-luck stories.

 

[Calcium Man]

How can you say we should have picked sean rusling over patto?? He has played half a dozen games since he was drafted and always injured??

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

At times like these I often wish I could call the doc and get the delorian to go back in time and fix a few of the mistakes we've made.

Noteable fixes would be signing Kevin Sheedy as head coach in 1981 with Mick Malthouse as assistant, resting Richo for that Sydney game, Browny for the Melbourne game and a few drafts.

Stop right there...do that and everything else would've fallen into place....oh and get guys like childhood Richmond supporter David Rhys-Jones from South Melbourne and other guns from shitty clubs instead of duds from Collingwood...

..and show the board members the record books from the future to keep them in line...

 

[NQTIGER]

What he is trying to say our problems didnt begin the last two years, they began a long time ago

 

[godsofrichmond]

i spose this is part of the problem...but ive never heard of half of those people we got lmao

 

[1980GFVideo]

Yeah those lists always reveal how many years of management a new coach inherits.

Sure he needs to take responsibility after at least his second year but every time Goodes has ripped us a new one it goes back to bad talent spotting back in the last decade. Even Wallace was still in Frawleys eras mismanagement all the way to the end.

Has any club had such bad coaches end on end.

Walls,Gieshen,Frawley and Wallace and the dud recruiters they had on thier side. Becks legacy remains big time. What did that bloke get paid to walk around as a talent spotter.

 

[_Wang_]

WOW, well done Big Vee. Amazing dedication to put that together..
Pav was the biggest blunder IMO..
It seems apart from the obvious few we have done quite well from the bottom of the draft and the Rookie draft..ie:- Newman & Foley.

 

[Final Siren]

Nice post!

As much as I try to tell myself, "Well, you could do this for any club," I still look at the 1999 draft and weep.

What it reinforces for me is that good recruitment can pluck top talent from anywhere. Take the 2001 draft: we only had picks 33 and 63 in the ND and still could have taken Sam Mitchell and Brian Lake, plus Sandilands in the rookie draft.

 

[Wallaby]

Ok - I'm going to put the opposite

1997 - Pick 2 - Ottens - right Pick. Travis Johnstone was No 1, Trent Croad No 3, Bolton 4. We got the best player from the top 4. Every club passed on Goodes at least twice (including the swans).
1998 - Pretty much a dud draft all around. Scotland was Collingwoods 4th pick - after Davis (F/S, only came good at Sydney), Oborne (5 games and Jacotine (16 games). Dragacevic was stuffed by injury.
1999. Yes, Fiora hurts. As does Poyas. But Chapman was Geelong's 5th pick - after Corey (Good), Spriggs (ha ha), Bray (0 games) and Foster (who?).
2000 - Picks 4-7 played a total of 114 games between them. ( No 8 was Motlop who didn't play well until he moved to his 2nd club). The picks immediately after Pettifer were McMahon and Sporn (most have been the draft 'soft' section).
2001 - Geelong had 6 picks in the top 41 - including Charlie Gardner and Henry Playfair. They've had their share of crap picks (In 2000 their first pick was 44 (hunt - ok) and then two further duds.).

I could go on. Every club has it's good and bad luck stories. Geelong has had some disastrous selections. I think our player development has been our major problem. Just because we drafted those players doesn't mean we would have made something of them.

 

[W. Smithers]

Why limit it to the draft picks we had, let's make that trade that Freo wanted back in 2001.

D. Gaspar to Freo
Pick 1 to Richmond

Pick 1 - Chris Judd.

 

[NQTIGER]

Why limit it to the draft picks we had, let's make that trade that Freo wanted back in 2001.

D. Gaspar to Freo
Pick 1 to Richmond

Pick 1 - Chris Judd.

That wouldnt have worked we would have turned him into adud, i mean really what did we need a good kick for, we had that great exponent of the Kick in Darenn gaspar.

And we would have richmondised judd, he wouldnt have got twigs or the brownlow if he was at the tigers.

 

[carlos39]

to be fair, some of the pciks you missed were roughies.

dean cox was a skinny, lazy kid from he country - no one could see he would turn in to what he has. same could be said about sandilands. the rookie drafts are very hit and miss.

national drafts though, you have to make them work, and the tige's haven't. overlooking pav would sting. him and richo up front would be nice.

i think the thing that has hurt the tige's alot has been trading/delisting players you shouldn't have. bit like a dockers trait. this year your kids seem abit better. especially like the look of nason. kid kills himself running.