To all Brett haters

[Richo83]

Brett Lee 3/82 in the first innings, not bad. It seems Brett Lee has turned the corner in terms of wayward bowling.
Unfortunately, it still hasn't seemed to impress some bigfooty members, who seem to uphold a ritual of bagginf Lee whatever he does. Yes, he can be a bit expenisve at times, but against two test ranked nations he has bowled well. There always be the haters and doubters, but he is not a superstar, but he is steadily improving, contrary to many people's opinions. In addition, he is starting to pick up good batsmen.
Maybe we shoudl cut Brett some slack and acknowledge some of the good work. I am not talking to Lee lovers (Starz) but people who seem to nit-pick every bowling display. I do reckognise (sp?) that Lee is often wayward, but he seems to have improved on that front.

 

[F/D]

Brett Lee 3/82 in the first innings, not bad. It seems Brett Lee has turned the corner in terms of wayward bowling.
Unfortunately, it still hasn't seemed to impress some bigfooty members, who seem to uphold a ritual of bagginf Lee whatever he does. Yes, he can be a bit expenisve at times, but against two test ranked nations he has bowled well. There always be the haters and doubters, but he is not a superstar, but he is steadily improving, contrary to many people's opinions. In addition, he is starting to pick up good batsmen.
Maybe we shoudl cut Brett some slack and acknowledge some of the good work. I am not talking to Lee lovers (Starz) but people who seem to nit-pick every bowling display. I do reckognise (sp?) that Lee is often wayward, but he seems to have improved on that front.

Good post, I agree.



If people put it like this instead of "Leei s a gun" or "Lee is the best bowler in the world ATM" then I will accept it.


Good bowler and good attitude.

 

[Richo83]

Good post, I agree.



If people put it like this instead of "Leei s a gun" or "Lee is the best bowler in the world ATM" then I will accept it.


Good bowler and good attitude.

Cheers. He is not a gun or a superstar (possibly in ODIs, but anyone can) but a solid bowler.

 

[The Majestic]

He's changed a lot, there are a lot less no balls in his bowling now, and there's more wickets. Looks like he has done something well that has changed his attitude towards the game.

Still needs to watch his front foot a bit.

 

[Richo83]

He's changed a lot, there are a lot less no balls in his bowling now, and there's more wickets. Looks like he has done something well that has changed his attitude towards the game.

Still needs to watch his front foot a bit.

True, no-balls are his biggest problem. However, I am happy to take the no-balls with the knowledge that he is a fast bowler which have a propensity to everstep (Akhtar steps over alot too). It seems though that whenever we talk about Lee, someone like apollocreed states "39.3-5-201-4" case closed" and its the same rhetoric that he is a stupid bowler who only bowls bouncers and yorkers, is expensive and can't bowl out the top order. It makes me cringe because I know that he is able to bowl well, he just has to put his best foot forward (so to speak).

 

[starz]

I'm not exactly a Lee-lover i just like the way he plays his Cricket and he seems like a good bloke.
I agree that his bowling still has its faults (too many 4-balls and no balls) but that's part & parcel of his game, he attacks the batsmen & the stumps so you got to expect boundaries and a higher economy rate.

I'd still like to see him get more lower order wickets to go with the top order wickets he gets to justify his figures but it probably won't happen on a consistant basis with Warne, MacGill in the side.

 

[Richo83]

I'm not exactly a Lee-lover i just like the way he plays his Cricket and he seems like a good bloke.
I agree that his bowling still has its faults (too many 4-balls and no balls) but that's part & parcel of his game, he attacks the batsmen & the stumps so you got to expect boundaries and a higher economy rate.

I'd still like to see him get more lower order wickets to go with the top order wickets he gets to justify his figures but it probably won't happen on a consistant basis with Warne, MacGill in the side.

I didn't mean to imply you love Lee, its just that you seem to be much more understanding of Lee than some others, who give him one ball and if he fails, all over.

 

[starz]

I didn't mean to imply you love Lee, its just that you seem to be much more understanding of Lee than some others, who give him one ball and if he fails, all over.

Ok np, good to see someone else with a common-sense view on Lee.

Unfortunately though he is still the most maligned cricketer on the forum so anytime he goes for a few runs a plethora of threads will pop up.

 

[The Majestic]

True, no-balls are his biggest problem. However, I am happy to take the no-balls with the knowledge that he is a fast bowler which have a propensity to everstep (Akhtar steps over alot too). It seems though that whenever we talk about Lee, someone like apollocreed states "39.3-5-201-4" case closed" and its the same rhetoric that he is a stupid bowler who only bowls bouncers and yorkers, is expensive and can't bowl out the top order. It makes me cringe because I know that he is able to bowl well, he just has to put his best foot forward (so to speak).

Lee has a more positive attitude now, and doesn't seem to get angered and lose his cool like he would do I believe that had an affect on his bowling as well. Both he an Akhtar aren't the most economical bowlers going around, but they get wickets when they are needed.

Lee seems to have grown up, and matured into a decent player, he is also handy with the bat, which is handy when the top order fails.

 

[Dezso]

Hes also the best One day bowler in the world. And possibly of all time.

Don't agree? Look at this strikerate.

 

[Richo83]

Hes also the best One day bowler in the world. And possibly of all time.

Don't agree? Look at this strikerate.

I definetly agree. however, I always thought that if Shane Bond had of stayed fit, he might of challenged Lee to the mantle. I feel sorry for Bond, so good, yet so injury prone.

 

[The Majestic]

I definetly agree. however, I always thought that if Shane Bond had of stayed fit, he might of challenged Lee to the mantle. I feel sorry for Bond, so good, yet so injury prone.

Yeah, it is a shame, Lee's good, but could have had some run for his money.

 

[johnnyhoward]

Lee's back, and it's about time. The Windies series showed him back to his best, even though he was at times, erratic. But as usalion said, wait for the SA series, and it looks like he's proven himself.

But if you don't understand why there were so many doubts (and haters) on Lee, it's because of his poor record since 2001. But thankfully, that is now turning around. He's 29, so could play for another 4-5 years and he'll probably lead the attack along with Tait.

 

[Richo83]

Lee's back, and it's about time. The Windies series showed him back to his best, even though he was at times, erratic. But as usalion said, wait for the SA series, and it looks like he's proven himself.

But if you don't understand why there were so many doubts (and haters) on Lee, it's because of his poor record since 2001. But thankfully, that is now turning around. He's 29, so could play for another 4-5 years and he'll probably lead the attack along with Tait.

I never said that hes not perfect, an some of his bowling s rubbish. Its just that two good series in a row, and yet people still can't seem to get off his back.
We will see the response when he bowls tomorrow.

 

[Cooldude]

He's just done what people, or those you term as "Brett Lee haters", has said he should've done 5 years ago: Line and length

And surprise surprise, he's getting success

He's bowling superbly, no one's disputing that

If anything, his recent success has proven many of his critics right

I have never been a fan of his antics on the field, but if he can bowl well then I would have nothing to say about it. He's finally bowling well, very well done to him, he was wasting his talent until now

 

[Squizza]

Good post, I agree.



If people put it like this instead of "Leei s a gun" or "Lee is the best bowler in the world ATM" then I will accept it.


Good bowler and good attitude.

what have you done with the real F/D?

 

[Richo83]

He's just done what people, or those you term as "Brett Lee haters", has said he should've done 5 years ago: Line and length

And surprise surprise, he's getting success

He's bowling superbly, no one's disputing that

If anything, his recent success has proven many of his critics right

I have never been a fan of his antics on the field, but if he can bowl well then I would have nothing to say about it. He's finally bowling well, very well done to him, he was wasting his talent until now

I realise that. However, what I am taling about is even now, there are people who bag his bowling as even with the success against WI and SA. People who wont give Lee any credit at all. In addition, when someone like starz supports Lee, he is ridiculed as being biased.

 

[usalion]

My comment back during the Windies series was to wait for South Africa. Lee has done very well in the Tests here- arguably our best bowler in the first dig and snagged de Villiers already in the second dig in this Test.

So well done to Mr Lee- next up- a tour to South Africa.....keep it going

 

[Cooldude]

In addition, when someone like starz supports Lee, he is ridiculed as being biased.

He's ridiculed more because of his stupidity rather than his biase for Lee

 

[usalion]

I realise that. However, what I am taling about is even now, there are people who bag his bowling as even with the success against WI and SA. People who wont give Lee any credit at all. In addition, when someone like starz supports Lee, he is ridiculed as being biased.

Well, let's be realisitc- starz tries to massage the stats in every way possible....he seems to have slowed down at this point, which is good...let the performances speak for themselves. I would reckon Lee has a shot at being Player of the Series, especially if he gets a couple more wickets tomorrow

 

[RoosterLad]

his line and length has improved a lot, combine that with his impressive pace and hes a very formidable bowler. the old Lee may have come out tonight and bowled bouncers and wide balls, instead the new Lee almost gets a wicket first ball then gets a wicket 3rd ball of the over
not one short ball!
hes a bit of a star these days

 

[Richo83]

He's ridiculed more because of his stupidity rather than his biase for Lee

Which part of starz do you find stupid? Is the support for Lee, the weighing of wickets or somehting else?

 

[Sunny]

The reason why there is so many "brett lee haters/critics" is because of his poor record since 2001 (which includes 3 year period of averaging a touch under 40 with the ball), and in addition some of his "fans" making excuses on BF..

After he had a good series against the WI, I was one of many "critics" that said let's see how he goes against SA.. and he's seem to done well so far (although still inconsistent), After all it is Lee's best 'home' test series since 4-5 years ago.

It looks like Lee is following the trend of many other bowlers that mature in their 30s/twilight years, let's hope he keeps it up.

 

[johnnyhoward]

I realise that. However, what I am taling about is even now, there are people who bag his bowling as even with the success against WI and SA. People who wont give Lee any credit at all. In addition, when someone like starz supports Lee, he is ridiculed as being biased.

Seriously have you read any of what starz writes about Lee? Even now he persists with it - "Lee should get more of a shot at the tail to justify his figures", 'wickets should be weighted".

The bottom line is, Lee averages 31 at Test level. Usually bowling averages are a good indicator of a bowler's performances.

 

[catcozmo]

I've always been a fan of Lee's becuase of his pace, i just like really quick bowlers, just brings somethin to the game.
i have tried to stay out of these posts though becuase they are all the same, people sticking up for him and people baggin him, with there own vendetors either way.
but i think the orgianl post summed it up beautifully, he is not a superstar, but a good bowler.
it has taken him 4 years too long to get to that stage in many people's opinions and thankfully it hasnt really cost us too many games or series,
but by god the way he is bowling now is absoluting beautifully, and it is a joy to watch. his swing is there, he bowls quick and his bouncer have improved to the stage where they trouble top batsmen not just fly over their heads.
Also a reason he does go for more runs, is he gets quite a few nicks that fly threw 4th slip for 4, thus damping his figures, he does get this happening when his bowling well becuase of the swing.
but a couple of years ago he went for a lot of runs beacue he bolwed a lot of crap.
lets hope he continues the good work and brings his bowling verage down to 25ish and batting to bout 30.
i think he could get a ton one-day especially if he comes in night-watchman.