Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[EBERT THE KING]

850k

Doesn't trigger first round

Will be a Hawk
As will Barrass

Saints will be filthy if that happens.

I agree Hawthorn will land both.

 

[H00t]

If you get any upside at all.

Why do you think the Hawks may be willing to take this risk?

Could have something to do with a failed pick 6 pick Digby-Granger-Barrass who may be delisted this year. They got nothing from that risk taken with pick 6.

The reason for the trade is a key defender for a couple of years.

Our club seems determined to overpay for one.

I just don’t see the sense in going for someone whose going to cost a lot that doesn’t line up with our best footy.

We should be aiming for younger players.

 

[Taylor]

Saints will be filthy if that happens.

I agree Hawthorn will land both.

St Kilda list management in 2022, James Gallagher, signing Battle to a two year extension until 2024 but not making sure that the second year was paid enough to land him in the top 25% of the squad so he is a restricted free agent (roughly 9 guys paid higher than him currently) is who St Kilda should be filthy at.

 

[stallon]

No Barrass doesn’t. As I’ve said earlier Barrass will make very little difference to us competing for a flag next year.

It’s all about the younger guys upfield being able to back up from the end of this year and go again.

Our club seems determined to go for a KPD having chased McKay and Esava.

So will likely overpay for Barrass. I just don’t see as much value in it.

What are the biggest holes in your list?
A good KPD and a KPF would be the 2 for me.
Barrass shores up the KPD for next year, your midfield has been reasonably good, ruck is good, most of your smaller runners are good.

Barrass is a significant upgrade on what you have

 

[HeHateMe]

Battle is getting 950k to trigger the compo. This has been widely reported.

For years figures in the media regarding Hawthorn player contract have been inflated. I've seen the reports will wait with baited breath to see if these ones are finally true.

 

[H00t]

What are the biggest holes in your list?
A good KPD and a KPF would be the 2 for me.
Barrass shores up the KPD for next year, your midfield has been reasonably good, ruck is good, most of your smaller runners are good.

Barrass is a significant upgrade on what you have

Some speed around the middle would be good as well.

Frost has been really good this year and while Barrass is better he’s not going to last much longer than Frost.

It’s not that Barrass isn’t a good player. It’s that he’s close to the end while our list is close to the start.

We’d just get Barrass then already have to start looking at replacing him. If it was our last chance at a flag in the next two years it would make sense. But that’s not where our list is at.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Saints will be filthy if that happens.

I agree Hawthorn will land both.

To be fair, a pick around 20 is what I'd have Battle worth anyway.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Feel free to explain how is it slander if it's factually correct at the time?

Pretty salty comment.

I'm not salty at all I want us to keep DGB. It will just be funny that the same supporters bagging him could end up with the bloke playing for their club.

If DGB stays and does nothing, so be it. If he goes and becomes a gun at another club well done to him because I like him.

 

[stallon]

Some speed around the middle would be good as well.

Frost has been really good this year and while Barrass is better he’s not going to last much longer than Frost.

It’s not that Barrass isn’t a good player. It’s that he’s close to the end while our list is close to the start.

We’d just get Barrass then already have to start looking at replacing him. If it was our last chance at a flag in the next two years it would make sense. But that’s not where our list is at.

You have your Barrass replacement on the list in McCabe. Barrass has 3-4 years minimum which is enough time for McCabe to be ready, Frost doesn't have that long.

What you guys messed up in the rebuild was leaving KPPs till so late. It's either trade in a KPD or delay your push for a premiership by 2-3 years waiting for one to develop.

If you wait you also lose most of whats remaining of Sicily, it'd be less than likely that whoever you draft with pick 10ish will be better than Barrass or Sicily, and your mids are all into their 20s now with Day and Newcombe being 23 at the start of next year.

If I had your list I'd be 100% for getting in an elite KPP of some description to make a go of it next year

 

[Taylor]

If Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

is too old then the argument can be made that James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

should be traded for more first round picks.

 

[Obeanie1]

The reason for the trade is a key defender for a couple of years.

Our club seems determined to overpay for one.

I just don’t see the sense in going for someone whose going to cost a lot that doesn’t line up with our best footy.

We should be aiming for younger players.

Coach out of contract next season maybe a factor?

As reported Hawks have used 4 top 10 picks over the last four drafts. Now looks like they want to fast track quality in defense.

Sicily 29 so needs to peak in the next 3 to 4 years.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Coach out of contract next season maybe a factor?

As reported Hawks have used 4 top 10 picks over the last four drafts. Now looks like they want to fast track quality in defense.

Its not a factor

Re-Signing will be announced before finals series

 

[H00t]

You have your Barrass replacement on the list in McCabe. Barrass has 3-4 years minimum which is enough time for McCabe to be ready, Frost doesn't have that long.

What you guys messed up in the rebuild was leaving KPPs till so late. It's either trade in a KPD or delay your push for a premiership by 2-3 years waiting for one to develop.

If you wait you also lose most of whats remaining of Sicily, it'd be less than likely that whoever you draft with pick 10ish will be better than Barrass or Sicily, and your mids are all into their 20s now with Day and Newcombe being 23 at the start of next year.

If I had your list I'd be 100% for getting in an elite KPP of some description to make a go of it next year

McCabe will be more a CHB type.

Barrass hardly affects our push for a premiership at all. Will be all on our up the field work. Our defence has been rock solid since the catastrophe at the start.

I have no problems trading in a KPD. Overpaying for one who’s going to be 29 is silly given our list. If the price is at least a first it needs to be someone we will get a lot of time out of.

 

[TiAn_]

If Tom Barrass is too old then the argument can be made that James Sicily should be traded for more first round picks.

That would be a terrible argument. The Eagles wouldn’t be letting him walk if they were in the Hawks position. It’s only because they’re bad and rebuilding.

 

[HeHateMe]

He is also out captain so you'll need to disregard the whole culture and leadership side of things as well.....

 

[stallon]

McCabe will be more a CHB type.

Barrass hardly affects our push for a premiership at all. Will be all on our up the field work. Our defence has been rock solid since the catastrophe at the start.

I have no problems trading in a KPD. Overpaying for one who’s going to be 29 is silly given our list. If the price is at least a first it needs to be someone we will get a lot of time out of.

From the stuff you're writing sounds like you do not value a backline at all. Of course a good defence affects whether you contend or not WTF are you on about LMAO.

You are buying 2-3 years of contention by trading in Barrass. The people running your club know this.
They have the pieces there ready to go, your mids are starting to enter their prime.

Overpaying for Barrass would be trading 2 years worth of 1st and 2nd rounders. A 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder isn't overpaying. It's just good business.

You are 3+ years away from having your own developed KPD.
Your list is great up the ground at not conceding inside 50s, but once it reaches your backline your list kinda sucks. No brainer to chase an elite defender.

 

[stallon]

That would be a terrible argument. The Eagles wouldn’t be letting him walk if they were in the Hawks position. It’s only because they’re bad and rebuilding.

No it's not.

If a 1st and 2nd rounder are worth more than an elite KPD to the Hawks list with there theyre at, why are they worth more than Sicily who is roughly the same value and age?
They have better depth in half backs than KPDs right now so argument could be made that Barrass is worth more to them, not counting captaincy.

 

[Klink]

That would be a terrible argument. The Eagles wouldn’t be letting him walk if they were in the Hawks position. It’s only because they’re bad and rebuilding.

You know what else is important when you're bad and rebuiding? Senior players with experience and leadership that build culture and set the standards for young players.

It's not like Barass is 31 / 32 - if he has 4-5 good years left in him, you keep him to help mentor and develop the kids. The issue is, I think WC know he doesn't have that in him - hence the reason they're open to moving him and his salary on..

It's like when you buy that used car....it might look great on the surface, but there might be underlying issues that the buying party can't see....

 

[HeHateMe]

Shouldn't we be waiting until Barrass completes medicals at prospective clubs before arguing value?

Sorry to point out the elephant in the room but his injury history has some question marks around longevity....

 

[stallon]

You know what else is important when you're bad and rebuiding? Senior players with experience and leadership that build culture and set the standards for young players.

It's not like Barass is 31 / 32 - if he has 4-5 good years left in him, you keep him to help mentor and develop the kids. The issue is, I think WC know he doesn't have that in him - hence the reason they're open to moving him and his salary on..

It's like when you buy that used car....it might look great on the surface, but there might be underlying issues that the buying party can't see....

Supposedly Harry Edwards our next in line KPD is getting offers from other clubs too.

It sounds like it's a case of we can only keep one of them, and Barrass is worth significantly more plus is 5 years older.

I'd lean toward keeping Harry Edwards.

 

[Philhawk]

People overrate draft picks.

The average number of games across 40 drafts for pick 10 is 97.

That’s less than 4 seasons.

Even if he only gives you 75% of games across 4 years, he’s an elite back and has great off field attributes - that’s a deal you take to the bank every day.

I’m excited for what he can do, but also excited to see how he helps develop McCabe, let alone teach Dear at training for 4 years.

 

[H00t]

From the stuff you're writing sounds like you do not value a backline at all. Of course a good defence affects whether you contend or not WTF are you on about LMAO.

You are buying 2-3 years of contention by trading in Barrass. The people running your club know this.
They have the pieces there ready to go, your mids are starting to enter their prime.

Overpaying for Barrass would be trading 2 years worth of 1st and 2nd rounders. A 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder isn't overpaying. It's just good business.

You are 3+ years away from having your own developed KPD.
Your list is great up the ground at not conceding inside 50s, but once it reaches your backline your list kinda sucks. No brainer to chase an elite defender.

I value a good defence. Just that Barrass doesn’t move the needle that far for us.

Our contending is about our work in the middle and winning contests up the ground. Do that and we contend with or without Barrass. Don’t and we don’t contend even with Barrass.

A first and a second is overs for Barrass. Even a first is too much for mine. It’s why eagles supporters on here are more than happy for him to go.

 

[TiAn_]

No it's not.

If a 1st and 2nd rounder are worth more than an elite KPD to the Hawks list with there theyre at, why are they worth more than Sicily who is roughly the same value and age?
They have better depth in half backs than KPDs right now so argument could be made that Barrass is worth more to them, not counting captaincy.

You can’t seriously be arguing that Barrass is worth more to Hawthorn than James Sicily lol

You know what else is important when you're bad and rebuiding? Senior players with experience and leadership that build culture and set the standards for young players.

It's not like Barass is 31 / 32 - if he has 4-5 good years left in him, you keep him to help mentor and develop the kids. The issue is, I think WC know he doesn't have that in him - hence the reason they're open to moving him and his salary on..

It's like when you buy that used car....it might look great on the surface, but there might be underlying issues that the buying party can't see....

Sure, where do I say otherwise? The Eagles are only contemplating this because of how bad they are. The Hawks wouldn’t consider letting Sicily leave. Equating the two and saying the Hawks should equally look at trading Sicily because of his age is bizarre.

 

[Iceman!]

If Tom Barrass is too old then the argument can be made that James Sicily should be traded for more first round picks.

No because we aren’t giving up significant assets to get him in

 

[Taylor]

No because we aren’t giving up significant assets to get him in

What's your expectation for the cost of Tom Barrass in trade?

I do think he is being shown the door which puts some leverage in the hands of Hawthorn but I think too that Barrass could well end up in a red and white jumper as part of a shuffle of players now that he is well and truly on the table.