Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[stallon]

Genuine question because WCE are an anomaly… Is he even widely considered to be among the top echelon of KPDs in the league?

Or is it because there’s none on the market that he seems more appealing?

He has been regarded as one of the best KPD in the league for years now, without ever being in the top 3-4 at any time.

Hes always been a bit overshadowed by McGovern too who would be the best KPD of the last 15 or so years, so its understandable why you wouldnt have heard much about Barrass over in Vic.

Barrass is not another Ben McKay

 

[Barrybran]

Genuine question because WCE are an anomaly… Is he even widely considered to be among the top echelon of KPDs in the league?

Or is it because there’s none on the market that he seems more appealing?

Who would be more appealing if available?

 

[Farang83150]

Genuine question because WCE are an anomaly… Is he even widely considered to be among the top echelon of KPDs in the league?

Or is it because there’s none on the market that he seems more appealing?

Yes

 

[Barrybran]

It is irrelevant because as I have said, you don’t have a Sicily on your list.

Hence the poster asking what his trade value would be

 

[Hawks_Footy]

I dont give a flying **** what the points value is.

That couldnt be less relevant to this thread.
Pick 19+20 is worth 1860 points, pick 5 is worth 1878 points. How many clubs would trade pick 5 away for picks 19 and 20?

Well stop getting caught up on the idea that you're getting 2 x 1st rounders then

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

You're the one blinded here.. pick 13&30 is worth more on points value than 13&13 with 23 coming back..

Anyone using points as a way of justifying anything trade related loose the debate before the conversation begins. Points are irrelevant unless teams requiring points for bid matching are involved.

 

[stallon]

Well stop getting caught up on the idea that you're getting 2 x 1st rounders then

I dont think you accomplished what you wanted to by replying to me

 

[I got the outside word]

Genuine question because WCE are an anomaly… Is he even widely considered to be among the top echelon of KPDs in the league?

Or is it because there’s none on the market that he seems more appealing?

They would have lost by 2.7 million points without Barrass and McGovern vs Hawks this year.

Despite the Eagles fans here trying to twist words and ask irrelevant questions I do rate Barrass, BUT, he is not coming to Hawthorn to be better than Sicily, because he isn’t, he is coming to set Sicily free so he can average 30 possessions and launch ridiculous missiles into attack.

He’s not a 2 first round pick player due to age and back (which he himself has raised as a concern in an interview). I would be happy with a first and a sweetener due to the 6 flags in a row him and Battle will probably result in.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

I dont think you accomplished what you wanted to by replying to me

I think we both agree 1st rounders are extremely valuable and hence you want 2 for TB and we only want to give up 1

 

[triple treat]

Hawks wouldn't trade James Sicily for pick #14, he's a year older than Tom too.

Completely different situations We may be entering a premiership window so no wouldn’t trade him, Eagles no where near and want to trade him for youth!

 

[triple treat]

I know theyre different players. They are both leaders and are of similar quality, with Barrass playing the more expensive/in-demand role and being nearly a year younger.

What would you expect Sicily to fetch in a trade?

More than Barrass as he’s better!

 

[stallon]

I think we both agree 1st rounders are extremely valuable and hence you want 2 for TB and we only want to give up 1

As has been said many times, its not just 2 firsts out, the value difference between your F1 and our F2 is not that much.

Forget about rounds, you are focusing too much on the round

 

[stallon]

More than Barrass as he’s better!

Thats not what I asked

 

[triple treat]

Very simplistic way to put it without considering the backround

If Sicily and the hawks were in dispute about the salary and sicily demanded to be traded out and already walked out
YES they would trade him for #13

If we were still in a rebuilt yes, as it stands I’d say no

 

[Hawks_Footy]

As has been said many times, its not just 2 firsts out, the value difference between your F1 and our F2 is not that much.

Forget about rounds, you are focusing too much on the round

You're contradicting yourself.. if rounds aren't a big deal you'd be accepting pick 13&30 but you're hung up on 2 x 1st rounders

 

[triple treat]

Thats not what I asked

As we are in a premiership window I would think he would only get traded for a top 10 pick or you wouldn’t let him go. If we were rebuilding still I think pick 13 would get it done, only my opinion.

Now I got a question for you, how many west Aussie born contracted eagles players have asked to be traded away from the club?

 

[stallon]

You're contradicting yourself.. if rounds aren't a big deal you'd be accepting pick 13&30 but you're hung up on 2 x 1st rounders

Are you trolling or what?

I dont care about the rounds, i want picks in the teens

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

As has been said many times, its not just 2 firsts out, the value difference between your F1 and our F2 is not that much.

Forget about rounds, you are focusing too much on the round

I think if you could guarantee it was 13,13 for Barrass and 20, like, already had the picks then yes, I think Hawks could be swindled into it. You guys wouldnt all be wanting it so badly if it was that simple though.
A) Nothing is guaranteed next year and the increase in value is exponential the further they fall
B) While you'd hope the change in points value helps a bit, the 2nd round is always significantly more compromised (as WC fans know as much as anyone).

13 and 30 is a pretty good deal, lets see which team folds first.

 

[stallon]

As we are in a premiership window I would think he would only get traded for a top 10 pick or you wouldn’t let him go. If we were rebuilding still I think pick 13 would get it done, only my opinion.

I dont think youre being totally honest here

Now I got a question for you, how many west Aussie born contracted eagles players have asked to be traded away from the club?

I cant think of anybody of note

 

[stallon]

I think if you could guarantee it was 13,13 for Barrass and 20, like, already had the picks then yes, I think Hawks could be swindled into it. You guys wouldnt all be wanting it so badly if it was that simple though.
A) Nothing is guaranteed next year and the increase in value is exponential the further they fall
B) While you'd hope the change in points value helps a bit, the 2nd round is always significantly more compromised (as WC fans know as much as anyone).

13 and 30 is a pretty good deal, lets see which team folds first.

If it was to end up as 13+30 I wouldnt be upset. I wouldnt want it to be any less that that though.

 

[triple treat]

I dont think youre being totally honest here

I cant think of anybody of note

I’m being completely honest you wouldn’t want to lose Sicily because he could be the difference between a flag, so you would put a high price on his head hoping it would deter any buyers and he stays but if you got a top 10 pick for a 30 year old you would have to take it IMO.

The fact that the Eagles are usually a team that players want to get to not leave especially West Aussie born contracted players tells me there’s something really wrong there between him and the club.

Anyway I still think it’ll be pick 13 and change but I’ll be happy with 2 firsts as long as your 2nd this year comes with Barras!

 

[CobberRodgers]

Very simplistic way to put it without considering the backround

If Sicily and the hawks were in dispute about the salary and sicily demanded to be traded out and already walked out
YES they would trade him for #13

You left out that the Hawks also finished 16th and only have 1 decent player on the list under 25.

 

[Da Game]

Age, reported injury concerns and club not following through with verbal agreement on contract renegotiation suggests there is no way our R1+F1 will be involved in this. R1 + F2 seems about correct

 

[stallon]

I’m being completely honest you wouldn’t want to lose Sicily because he could be the difference between a flag, so you would put a high price on his head hoping it would deter any buyers and he stays but if you got a top 10 pick for a 30 year old you would have to take it IMO.

I meant if you were in a similar position to us with Sicily being on the trade table, I didnt really make it clear.
You wouldnt settle for pick 13, or you know hes better than that despite his age.

The fact that the Eagles are usually a team that players want to get to not leave especially West Aussie born contracted players tells me there’s something really wrong there between him and the club.

He wants more money? I thought it was well established lol

Anyway I still think it’ll be pick 13 and change but I’ll be happy with 2 firsts as long as your 2nd this year comes with Barras!

If we had to give up 23 instead of f2 id probably go for it tbh

 

[stallon]

Age, reported injury concerns and club not following through with verbal agreement on contract renegotiation suggests there is no way our R1+F1 will be involved in this. R1 + F2 seems about correct

The Age can report all they want the fact youre offering him 4+1 years on big money says theres no injury concerns lol.