Tom Boyd 'not in the best 22', admits skipper

[theprospect]

FMD some people on here are just absolute clowns. The kid is 22. He didn't choose to be on the money that he's on. He's in a challenging time in his career and he's also faced a number of personal issues previously. Young key forwards can take a long time, everyone knows this yet still love to bag them when they're not playing as well as people would hope. I'd have him at St Kilda any day, I'd guarantee most if not all clubs would love to have him on their list. Will be a gun when he sorts it all out.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

FMD some people on here are just absolute clowns. The kid is 22. He didn't choose to be on the money that he's on.

Yes he did. Or do you think someone forced him?

But that's fine. Good luck to him. Take it if you can get it. But he hasn't justified his pay packet with his performance. It's that simple.

Young key forwards can take a long time, everyone knows this yet still love to bag them when they're not playing as well as people would hope.

Young key forwards can take some time. But they aren't generally on a million bucks a year while they're still developing.

I'd have him at St Kilda any day, I'd guarantee most if not all clubs would love to have him on their list.

Would they all want to match his current salary? Doubt it.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

1. Historically, a good key forward is important in September
2. Dogs needed one
3. Dogs got Boyd (an expensive deal, but not one that cost them players due to salary cap reasons pre winning a flag)
4. Boyd stood up in September - his prelim game was very important too
5. Dogs win flag

Winning a flag isn't high fives all round, it's the be all and end all especially when you haven't won one for 50 years. A dogs supporter even had a heart attack at the ground!

Spot on!
BOYD was instrumental in getting us over that bloody premlim final hump. we lost 7 prior to that one, he was that 2% we had lacked all the previous times when he as a kid, went one on one with Mummy for most of the game. we only won by 7 points. He was then arguably Norm smith in the finals. we only won by 4 goals, not 40. you take away Boyds Performance and we lose, simple as that, given that we had very few players left standing let alone big men.

Some folks just can't grasp that had we not won the premiership then his performance over his contract would be looked at as a failure even if he kicked 100 a year all 7 years of that contract and no premierships, it is a failure, because the premiership is all that matters. Instead we got one in only his 2nd year of contract and he was pivotal to that win. Contract paid off in full.

Crameri was a failure of a contract, 450K, no premiership and didn't play any part in the one that we won, only to be let go. That was a waste of half a mill a year right there.

 

[Altum Volantes]

He strained his glute towards the end of the preseason which put him slightly behind.

Quoted for ‘posteriory’.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Personally think one game aside mind you the only game that counts. He has been a total and utter spud he can’t help the money he is on but when you get that sort of coin you wear the criticism of that bank balance

 

[Sweet Jesus]

BOYD was instrumental in getting us over that bloody premlim final hump. we lost 7 prior to that one, he was that 2% we had lacked all the previous times.

How can you narrow it down like that and say Boyd was the decisive factor?

He was then arguably Norm smith in the finals. we only won by 4 goals, not 40. you take away Boyds Performance and we lose, simple as that, given that we had very few players left standing let alone big men.

You could say the same for Hamling. Should he have been paid $1 million too?

Some folks just can't grasp that had we not won the premiership then his performance over his contract would be looked at as a failure even if he kicked 100 a year all 7 years of that contract and no premierships, it is a failure, because the premiership is all that matters.

You're conflating two different issues.

The glory of a premiership notwithstanding, Boyd's performance overall has not justified his pay packet. How is this even in dispute?

You might say "we won a flag so nothing else matters". But you can't pay everyone $1 million a year just because you won a flag. There still has to be a scale and Boyd has managed 40 games since arriving at the start of 2015. That simply isn't enough of a contribution to justify his lofty wage.

How many other players on your list should be paid $1 million? Just Boyd or are there a dozen more?

Instead we got one in only his 2nd year of contract and he was pivotal to that win. Contract paid off in full.

That's nonsense. It's not paid off. You're still paying him, even though he's not getting a game.

This is what I mean when I say Dogs fans are delusional on the question of Boyd. The explanations simply do not bear scrutiny.

 

[Aramis]

I bet Jack Watts wishes he was drafted between Boyd, McCartin and Weitering.

These guys are deflecting attention from each other beautifully.

McCartin is quite comfortably miles infront of both Boyd and Weitering in the underwhelming and bust high pick stakes...

 

[Plugger35]

McCartin is quite comfortably miles infront of both Boyd and Weitering in the underwhelming and bust high pick stakes...

I wouldn't swap McCartin for Boyd even if they were on the same money and I certainly wouldn't be swapping them when Boyd is paid a million per year.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

How can you narrow it down like that and say Boyd was the decisive factor?

Because everyone else was either drafted in or rookied in or traded in. Boyd was the only one who would not have been there had we not pulled the hail mary shit we did and paid somebody something to get him there. From that victory we have cleared our debts and for the first time in eons our club looks like it has a future. We paid Boyd 7 million over 7 years. he cleared our 10 million dollar debt. We are in the plus.

You could say the same for Hamling. Should he have been paid $1 million too?

That is not how things work and you know it, stop being silly. no one gets paid on a game by game basis.

You're conflating two different issues.

The glory of a premiership notwithstanding, Boyd's performance overall has not justified his pay packet. How is this even in dispute?

The glory of a premierhisp is ALL that matters to a club starved of success and going down the shitter financially. ask St kilda if they would pay granny gilmore down the road 20 million if she would bring them a premiership. it would turn their clubs fortunes around over night!

You might say "we won a flag so nothing else matters". But you can't pay everyone $1 million a year just because you won a flag. There still has to be a scale and Boyd has managed 40 games since arriving at the start of 2015. That simply isn't enough of a contribution to justify his lofty wage.

How many other players on your list should be paid $1 million? Just Boyd or are there a dozen more?

Possibly the Bont, no one else. Boyd got what he got Because that is how the fates lined up. Do i have to explain to you that life isn't fair?

That's nonsense. It's not paid off. You're still paying him, even though he's not getting a game.

Gordon pretty much said it was paid off, the contract was a success. He was brought in for a premiership, and he helped deliver it. That premierhsip has had great knock on effects for the whole club.

This is what I mean when I say Dogs fans are delusional on the question of Boyd.


Are you an accountant by occupation? you show a great deal of concern for numbers but very little understanding of success.

You leave your career and have nothing to fall back on, you are in the shit so to speak. So you start your own business. You charge half the going rate to get customers and get your name out there and have to make up for losses out of your own dwindling savings, you lose money for the first 12 months. Are you getting ripped off?

After 16 months you start turning a profit and after 24 months you have customers paying double the going rate and waiting in a 14 month cue for your services. Are they getting ripped off?

After 10 years you are a millionaire, so you sell the business for 10 million. The bloke you sold it too after 10 years sells it for 100 million. Did you get ripped off? Did you fail or succeed?

Think it over.

 

[DelRe]

How can you narrow it down like that and say Boyd was the decisive factor?

You could say the same for Hamling. Should he have been paid $1 million too?

You're conflating two different issues.

The glory of a premiership notwithstanding, Boyd's performance overall has not justified his pay packet. How is this even in dispute?

You might say "we won a flag so nothing else matters". But you can't pay everyone $1 million a year just because you won a flag. There still has to be a scale and Boyd has managed 40 games since arriving at the start of 2015. That simply isn't enough of a contribution to justify his lofty wage.

How many other players on your list should be paid $1 million? Just Boyd or are there a dozen more?

That's nonsense. It's not paid off. You're still paying him, even though he's not getting a game.

This is what I mean when I say Dogs fans are delusional on the question of Boyd. The explanations simply do not bear scrutiny.

On the Hamling point there will always be cases or over and underpaid players relative to performance so I don’t think that’s the right comparison. In an ideal world we’d obviously always take the best player at their cheapest price.

Overall though you’re trying to take a hindsight view by saying why would you pay lots for not much return in performance - but no one did that. What was paid was for an expected level of performance - you need to challenge whether it was right in foresight - I.e. as the OP asks what is worth the risk. Obviously it looks worse when the performance doesn’t eventuate but that can’t change whethe the right decision was made.

 

[Benny78]

What did he do that warranted him being such a big deal in the first place?

Like why was he even offered 1 mil to leave GWS? Why not 300k? It's not like he was a Brownlow medalist like Gary Ablett. People are so stupid.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

What did he do that warranted him being such a big deal in the first place?

Like why was he even offered 1 mil to leave GWS? Why not 300k? It's not like he was a Brownlow medalist like Gary Ablett. People are so stupid.

All I can say is thank Huey they did.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

What did he do that warranted him being such a big deal in the first place?

He was very dominant in the TAC and youth because of his size, same as Patton. I think also that because at the time people were lamenting that the big dominant power forwards were a dying breed, perhaps a little bit of "great white hope" fever longing for the good ol days infected much of the football world. I remember his draft year it was pretty crazy how outright certain he was a the no.1 pick.

 

[DelRe]

What did he do that warranted him being such a big deal in the first place?.

I think that’s the right and fair question but you also need to put it in context.

Dogs had just had Griffen walk out. The club wanted to make a response. Boyd was available and touted as a once in a generation player. The Dogs are not typically considered a destination club - i.e. would need to pay perhaps more for a marquee player than another club. Many ‘experts’ were strongly advocating for the Dogs to be bold in recruiting - ironically in some cases to get hold of the #1 pick to get Boyd in his draft year. All of that adds up to the decision made and for what it’s worth I consider it the right one at the time even if was a costly gamble (the performance in the GF or alleged nonperformance in other games cannot alter that).

Whether at that time they knew or should’ve known he would be susceptible to the pressure or injury or inability to perform are difficult to know but that was the risk they took. If they knew better at the time and took the risk anyway it would obviously be a mistake but that would seem unlikely and of course we haven’t seen his full career yet anyway.

The only alternative was to keep the picks and possibly get Wright and another player. Again, at the time, that wouldn’t have achieved the objectives (in my view). If Wright turns out to be a superstar and Boyd never plays again you may change your decision now (I accept plenty wouldn’t because of the GF) but not then.

 

[Cadillac]

All I can say is thank Huey they did.

And why is that? Having some players that actually play their best football in September may be a good thing for a plasctic franchise like GWS, who roll over when it all gets too hard in finals.

Edit* it’s awesome to have you back on bigfooty Bokonon / Wampeter / Wampeter_ / other troll accounts you’ve created in the last few weeks.
It’s just not the same without you

 

[DroopStDanny]

Should of cut out the middle man and just paid the umps

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Should have paid more attention in English classes.

 

[00Stinger]

Michelle Payne of AFL.

Spud who had one great moment. Lucky for him it was on Grand Final day

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[ChrisHunt313131]

1. I think Boyd should be in the 22 - at the very least brings the ball to ground and takes a good player and play ruck/forward.

2. No one can deny in his crucial role in the flag - I thought best on ground.

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

This thread is a reality check for any of the dogs fans shit posting in the Jake Stringer thread on the main board.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

And why is that? Having some players that actually play their best football in September may be a good thing for a plasctic franchise like GWS, who roll over when it all gets too hard in finals.

Edit* it’s awesome to have you back on bigfooty Bokonon / Wampeter / Wampeter_ / other troll accounts you’ve created in the last few weeks.
It’s just not the same without you

Nonsense post, and you do realise those names are banned on the mainboard?

 

[ManOfClay]

I wouldn't swap McCartin for Boyd even if they were on the same money and I certainly wouldn't be swapping them when Boyd is paid a million per year.

After 25 games Boyd had kicked 7 more goals than McCartin (who has played 25 games). In that time he kicked a bag of 4 goals and two games where he kicked 3 (2016 grand final wasn’t in his first 25 games). And he also rucks.

Seven goals doesn’t seem like much but when you factor in McCartin only seems to kick a goal every 3 games and has not kicked more than two in a game, Boyd is ahead of McCartin overall. Which is saying something

 

[ManOfClay]

All I can say is thank Huey they did.

Why so much resentment for Boyd from GWS supporters?

He left but hasn’t trashed the club in the media (like certain gws players were happy to do for him, yet they’ve been much quieter on that after 2016), or acted like a flog when playing you (again unlike certain gws players who in hindsight looked rather silly for doing it) He also netted you club heroes like Griffen and Marchbank.

 

[Cadillac]

This thread is a reality check for any of the dogs fans shit posting in the Jake Stringer thread on the main board.

Tom Boyd played a huge role in us winning a flag. We couldn’t give a s**t if he retires mid season. Stringer was recruited by Essendon to help do something similar. If he does the same and never plays again you’d be happy. Regardless if we gave up a lot more for him.
A good start will be him breaking that 14 year draught of not winning a final.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

People are forgetting that Sydney drew within one point with 5 minutes to go in the Grand Final and that was when Boyd took 2 towering contested marks from kicks out of defence. He also kicked a 65 meter goal and narrowly missed another.
Make absolutely no mistake, without him we do not win that grand final and more than likely wouldn’t have made it there anyway due to his performance in nullifying Mumford the week before when we won the prelim by a kick.
The contract will be gone in a few years and we’ll be left with a flag and golden memories of the greatest finals series ever.
Hopefully, he turns his form issues around and gets back on the park but no one can take away what he did for the Bulldogs in 2016.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Why so much resentment for Boyd from GWS supporters?

He left but hasn’t trashed the club in the media (like certain gws players were happy to do for him, yet they’ve been much quieter on that after 2016), or acted like a flog when playing you (again unlike certain gws players who in hindsight looked rather silly for doing it) He also netted you club heroes like Griffen and Marchbank.

Because there was a small chance an error could have been made when we were reducing our list, in which tall forwards to lose.

This is 2018 and we'd be over the moon to play your lot in finals this year, as we would have been last year.
We're resigned to having to play good teams though