MRP / Trib. Tom Stewart bump on Prestia - 4 weeks to freshen up

[Cataholic]

I’m really really hoping for two for the Hiroshima level melts and bans that would follow… it would be glourious to witness

The resulting implosion of Tiger land would be stunning, but no way it's only going to be 2.

 

[Cataholic]

What about Mabo?

You've lost me?

 

[you pick one]

You've lost me?

 

[YOTC]

You've lost me?

Tell him he's dreamin'

 

[Cataholic]

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Ah...... Been a long day

 

[Cataholic]

Tell him he's dreamin'

.......and I'm a bit slow tonight.

 

[cats_09]

If that happens I'm expecting my screen to start shaking from the stomping of their tiny feet, and then to go black as they furiously start typing on their keyboards.

BF goes into meltdown... One way to avoid dealing with the nuffties if the forum is down & no posting possible

 

[YOTC]

.......and I'm a bit slow tonight.

You also receives a shoulder hug from Stewart?

 

[Cataholic]

You also receives a shoulder hug from Stewart?

clearly so

 

[AM]

MRO graded it as severe - I thought it was high impact at a maximum. Prestia ran off.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

4 guilty plea to 3 is fair.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

4 guilty plea to 3 is fair.

The guilty plea is to prevent having to send someone to tribunal but he's already going so there's no guarantee of lesser sentence if he pleads guilty.

I think he actually may argue not severe, but I think he'll lose that one

 

[CatRiot]

If this was 1980s, that wouldn't even end up at the Tribunal.

Someone get a time machine to Tom Stewart.

 

[CatRiot]

Just out of curiosity did Mark Yeates ever get a suspension after the infamous "double bump hit" on Brereton in the 1989 Grand Final? Please tell me, as I honestly couldn't find the answer...

Yeates had intent, and Stewart's didn't... So the dog act claims are well over the top on this Stewart bump. But alas, different era, it's supposed to be a family friendly sport now, not simply a man's world, lol. Okay, the feminist's and other's can enjoy the sport, it's all inclusive these days tongue and cheek.

Stewart's bump was just reckless, and he didn't anticipate both Prestia flicking the ball and also rotating his body 180 degrees in Stewart's last stride when he was closing in on him at "high speed". People forget and "think of the outcome only", but Stewart's closing speed is very fast and things changed in the last second on Prestia's part. The game is now played by the millimeter, errors will occur. Think about Cats 2009 Grand Final and Matthew Scarlett

Matthew Scarlett

Age

45

Ht

192cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

3.8

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

0.6

1star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

's toe poke to win us the GF essentially!

I'd argue yes, it would get a suspension in today's era with the head high contact, but tbh, it's far from a dog act when you think it's all last second. There was no elbow, no coat hanger, and Prestia changed his motion all in the last stride of Stewart...

We just live in a social justice era now, you can't even fart tbh... Imagine if the Govt could quantify your farting, just like the Livestock in NZ, tax tax tax. Lol

 

[HAPPY CHEFFY]

Take no notice of most things Richmond supporters say. Most of them are psychotic and should be in an asylum.

Those lunatics are saying it was a pre-planned directive from Chris Scott now.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

The guilty plea is to prevent having to send someone to tribunal but he's already going so there's no guarantee of lesser sentence if he pleads guilty.

I think he actually may argue not severe, but I think he'll lose that one

Then he will get 4.. even though 3 is fair. Players have done much worse the only reason they haven't been rubbed out longer is because Stewart caught him flush on the chin and he's a big lad. Marlion Picket got one a week for a flying elbow to the head last year, only because the player got up since Picket is half the size of Stewart but the intent was way worse.

 

[Micksy]

We're on track for 2 weeks.
The club will argue that it's not severe as he was able to walk off.
High Contact/High Impact/Careless = 2 weeks.
Unless they throw that out and go for a "bringing the game into disrepute" charge.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

We're on track for 2 weeks.
The club will argue that it's not severe as he was able to walk off.
High Contact/High Impact/Careless = 2 weeks.
Unless they throw that out and go for a "bringing the game into disrepute" charge.

He has the fact it was a shoulder bump in his favour.. it wasn't a swinging elbow or punch. For that reason I think 3 is acceptable 4 is excessive.

 

[cats_09]

4 guilty plea to 3 is fair.

The reduction for a guilty plea only applies to fines - not fixed sanctions of time on the sidelines

Plus, this was part of the MRO decision yesterday: The incident was classified as a direct referral to the Tribunal and the player cannot accept an early plea.


Now we wait to see how long the tribunal will suspended for & doubtful it'll be less than 4 weeks

 

[catempire]

The reduction for a guilty plea only applies to fines - not fixed sanctions of time on the sidelines

Plus, this was part of the MRO decision yesterday: The incident was classified as a direct referral to the Tribunal and the player cannot accept an early plea.


Now we wait to see how long the tribunal will suspended for & doubtful it'll be less than 4 weeks

Is it right that the guidance for this grading is 3+ weeks? If so I’m not sure what the aggravating factor would be to start at 4. I would also expect Geelong to argue the grading is wrong and should be ‘high’ not ‘severe’ (which I believe is associated with a 2+ week suspension guidance).

 

[jim boy]

I would also expect Geelong to argue the grading is wrong and should be ‘high’ not ‘severe’ (which I believe is associated with a 2+ week suspension guidance).

They may argue that, but it wont happen and it will stay as severe - Firstly the guidelines state "The absence of injury does not preclude the classification of impact as Severe". Secondly, "the potential to cause injury must be factored into the determination of Impact", particularly when the contact involved "high bumps, particularly with significant head contact and/or Player momentum" and "any contact that occurs when the Victim Player should not reasonably be expecting or is not reasonably prepared for contact". As for intentional/careless "the evidence that the act provides may be so strong as to compel an inference of what his intent was, no matter what he may say about it afterwards. If the immediate consequence of an act is obvious and inevitable, the deliberate doing of the act carries with it evidence of an intention to produce the consequence."

Sanction is rated at 4+ - so minimum of 4 plus whatever the tribunal feel is needed

 

[catempire]

They may argue that, but it wont happen and it will stay as severe - Firstly the guidelines state "The absence of injury does not preclude the classification of impact as Severe". Secondly, "the potential to cause injury must be factored into the determination of Impact", particularly when the contact involved "high bumps, particularly with significant head contact and/or Player momentum" and "any contact that occurs when the Victim Player should not reasonably be expecting or is not reasonably prepared for contact". As for intentional/careless "the evidence that the act provides may be so strong as to compel an inference of what his intent was, no matter what he may say about it afterwards. If the immediate consequence of an act is obvious and inevitable, the deliberate doing of the act carries with it evidence of an intention to produce the consequence."

Sanction is rated at 4+ - so minimum of 4 plus whatever the tribunal feel is needed

Can you point me to the sanction table? The one I saw on Twitter yesterday had careless/high/severe as 3+ (I thought).

None of that text insists it’s a severe grading by the way.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I'm assuming 4 almost entirely due to the frothing from the media, as usual.

 

[Turbocat]

The way its going ..soon there will be calls for his deregistration. Some will not be happy with less than him being out for the rest of the year. The frenzy has been way over blown.... and I fear for the long term affects it will have on Tom. Some will self inflicted... but anyone who has played sport knows about it going sideway in a moment.

 

[cat_fanatic]

I'm assuming 4 almost entirely due to the frothing from the media, as usual.

It's typical isn't it

You've gotta love the commentary from King and the like; "we've been trying to make a stand on these sorts of incidents for 18 months, now it's time the AFL makes a statement"

Of course it would be when a Geelong player is the offender.

Happens every bloody time.

People HATE us. The media hate talking about us.

I hope we win every game Stewart is out just to shove it up the nuffys at the Tiges and the media