Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

[Lore]

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

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Draft discussion goes here: Draft Watch

Father/Son & NGA discussion goes here: James Hird Academy (Father/Son and Next Generation)

Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

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27

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191cm

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87kg

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21.8

5star

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10.4

4star

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11.3

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4.3

4star

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5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

?

 

[andleanback]

The notion Caldwell is worth more because of the 2 years put into him is ridiculous. It’s case by case for 1st draft picks whether they have improved their value.
Say
Is dow worth more than a top 3 pick?
Is O’Brien worth more than a top 10 pick?
Is chayce jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

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D/M

Career

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D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

worth a top 10 pick?

While the other way
Butters is worth more than pick 12 now imo and Duursma has held his value and you’d give up and pick in the teens for.

 

[Dons4days]

Im happy to say no for Caldwell especially when Hately gets done for a 2nd or third

At least their stance gives you a bit of an indication of who they rate more.

I’m pretty confident Caldwell is a much more talented player, just doesn’t have the heigh that Hately does.

 

[11kgm]

At least their stance gives you a bit of an indication of who they rate more.

I’m pretty confident Caldwell is a much more talented player, just doesn’t have the heigh that Hately does.

Also has injuries compared to Hately. Hately also has leadership

 

[BrunoV]

So why are we after Caldwell then?

What's the first thing Dodoro will say about him in a presser?

We think his injuries have impacted his ability but we wanted him for depth?

 

[ghostdog]

I never go anywhere else, other boards are impossible to navigate and they’ve all got 5 threads happening on the same subject.

On Wright, longer quarters favour him because he’ll run all day and continue to present and generally relies on good, smart craft than other worldly athleticism and creativity.

Eager to see what he brings to the table

Seems to me there are two Wrights; the one who can run all day and needs to develop Nick Riewoldt-like leading patterns to take advantage of that, and the one who provides no second efforts when the ball is in dispute. So, we still have a delivery problem regardless if we think we can sit it on his head inside 50.

I would still prefer McDonald. I can't see any way we acquire Dunkley and still trade up to Pick 2 unless Carlton give us their future first for Saad and the Dogs accept that.

 

[doug85]

If we're going after Caldwell with a 4 year deal we think he's pretty good dont we?

What exactly is the argument in response when GWS say that they want a first round pick which they only just used 2 year ago having developed him for the last 2 years?

What we're we going to trade Parish, Francis or Laverde for at the end of year 2?

I’m a proponent of looking at the contract to determine relative worth of a player. Saad is definitely worth a top 10 pick based on what Carlton are offering. Caldwell a late first based on the 4 years. Top 10 is too much, but definitely a late first for Caldwell.

 

[Don35]

So why are we after Caldwell then?

What's the first thing Dodoro will say about him in a presser?

We think his injuries have impacted his ability but we wanted him for depth?

history of trading suggests that if A first round pick hasn’t established themselves in best 22 after 2 years their value drops into second round and beyond.

not to say it doesn’t happen or Caldwell isn’t worth a first round pick but it’s the way it is.

 

[JayJ20]

So why are we after Caldwell then?

What's the first thing Dodoro will say about him in a presser?

We think his injuries have impacted his ability but we wanted him for depth?

No one doubts his talent and he's projected to become a good player, but potential doesn't mean his value stays the same.

They'll trade Hately (pick 14) for a second rounder, but expect one of our top 10 picks for Caldwell (pick 11)? Nah.
Hately played 18 games and Caldwell played 11 games. Doesn't add up.

 

[BrunoV]

No one doubts his talent and he's projected to become a good player, but potential doesn't mean his value stays the same.

They'll trade Hately (pick 14) for a second rounder, but expect one of our top 10 picks for Caldwell (pick 11)? Nah.
Hately played 18 games and Caldwell played 11 games. Doesn't add up.

So it's entirely impossible that GWS rates Caldwell higher?

GWS basically said nothing about losing Hately.

When St Kilda was leading the running for Caldwell there were quotes from GWS people to the effect that there should be increased mandatory contracts for first round picks because Jye, like others, is perfectly happy until someone gets in his ear.

For what it's worth i wouldn't give up a top 20 pick for Caldwell. I just dont follow the criticism of the Giants' position. You keep losing first round picks for significantly discounted value and the arse falls out pretty quickly.

 

[andleanback]

No one doubts his talent and he's projected to become a good player, but potential doesn't mean his value stays the same.

They'll trade Hately (pick 14) for a second rounder, but expect one of our top 10 picks for Caldwell (pick 11)? Nah.
Hately played 18 games and Caldwell played 11 games. Doesn't add up.

Going on Davis’ comments they definitely rate him very high internally, just the way we rated Ridley very high internally and he popped this year. Does that mean Caldwell is worth a top 10 pick - no.

 

[JayJ20]

So it's entirely impossible that GWS 4ates Caldwell higher?

GWS basically said nothing about losing Hately.

When St Kilda was leading the running for Caldwell there were quotes from GWS people to tge effect that there should be increased mandatory contracts for first round picks because Jye, like others, is perfectly happy until someone gets in his ear.

For what it's worth i wouldn't give up a top 20 pick for Caldwell. I just dont follow the criticism of the Giants' position. You keep losing first round pick for significantly discounted value and the arse falls out pretty quickly.

GWS are full of first round picks. I have little sympathy for a team that plays in a grand final and then recruits Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

the same year. They literally cannot fit Caldwell into their midfield next year because they have a potential brownlow medalist in Green ready to break out.

GWS know they cannot provide Caldwell with what he wants so blaming it on us or St Kilda is deflecting.
At the end of the day, GWS can say whatever they want. They're not going to get one of our top 10 picks. Early second or late first is the most they'll get.
They'll have to accept that their team full of first-round talent will shed some talented players for a discounted price due to limited available spots.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

So it's entirely impossible that GWS rates Caldwell higher?

GWS basically said nothing about losing Hately.

When St Kilda was leading the running for Caldwell there were quotes from GWS people to the effect that there should be increased mandatory contracts for first round picks because Jye, like others, is perfectly happy until someone gets in his ear.

For what it's worth i wouldn't give up a top 20 pick for Caldwell. I just dont follow the criticism of the Giants' position. You keep losing first round picks for significantly discounted value and the arse falls out pretty quickly.

FWIW I think he’s worth a late first round pick, our 2021 second round selection is likely to be not far behind that in a stronger draft but they rejected it. Fair enough but in the end it may be close to that.

Right now it makes sense for them to hold their ground and push Essendon for more. If we split a first with Brisbane or Geelong then one of them (not 13) would be fair.

However there is no doubt in my mind McCartney is still upset over Stringer and that is part of it.

 

[Lore]

So why are we after Caldwell then?

What's the first thing Dodoro will say about him in a presser?

We think his injuries have impacted his ability but we wanted him for depth?

Great young kid, barracked for Essendon growing up*, wonderful athlete, works hard, might’ve grown 2cm since he was drafted, versatile, has played mostly forward but he can have an impact through the midfield as well and will be a great player for us.

Did I miss anything?

 

[eth-dog]

Great young kid, barracked for St Kilda growing up*, wonderful athlete, works hard, might’ve grown 2cm since he was drafted, versatile, has played mostly forward but he can have an impact through the midfield as well and will be a great player for us.

Did I miss anything?

FTFY

 

[BrunoV]

Great young kid, barracked for Essendon growing up*, wonderful athlete, works hard, might’ve grown 2cm since he was drafted, versatile, has played mostly forward but he can have an impact through the midfield as well and will be a great player for us.

Did I miss anything?

Former first round pick. We rated him as one of the top players in the draft.

 

[Lore]

Former first round pick. We rated him as one of the top players in the draft.

Would’ve taken him with our pick

 

[doug85]

Would’ve taken him with our pick

Has that been confirmed?

 

[Lore]

Has that been confirmed?

No but they used our Shiel pick on him so he actually was taken with our pick...

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

The Saad deal is as good as done. Expecting it to be signed off tomorrow.

 

[Yoda_]

The Saad deal is as good as done. Expecting it to be signed off tomorrow.

Future first?


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[naraku]

No but they used our Shiel pick on him so he actually was taken with our pick...

Yes, I think some murmuring's at the time where we would of taken Jye if we had that pick.

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

The Saad deal is as good as done. Expecting it to be signed off tomorrow.

Funny..I was laughing at Carlton supporters for getting their hopes up and hopefully Saady stayed with. Meanwhile I was getting my hopes he was staying and are now deflated. I'm a complete moron haha.

 

[BrunoV]

Suspect I've got the late news at 10 but Ryley Stoddart

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Ryley Stoddart

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

146.3

2star

D

13.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

MG

214.0

3star

D

7.4

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

107.4

2star

, quick small defender from the Swans has been de-listed.

That provably simplifies things.

From here I want:

-Wright
-Ronke
-Dunkley (no more than 1× fiinst and 1 x second round picks)
-Stoddart DFA
-Laverde 1 year
-Crauford 1 year
-2x first round 2020
-Eyre
-Brand

 

[eth-dog]

Suspect I've got the late news at 10 but Ryley Stoddart

33

Ryley Stoddart

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

146.3

2star

D

13.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

MG

214.0

3star

D

7.4

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

107.4

2star

, quick small defender from the Swans has been de-listed.

That provably simplifies things.

From here I want:

-Wright
-Ronke
-Dunkley (no more than 1× fiinst and 1 x second round picks)
-Stoddart DFA
-Laverde 1 year
-Crauford 1 year
-2x first round 2020
-Eyre
-Brand

Yeah he was cut in October

 

[foj1]

Great young kid, barracked for Essendon growing up*, wonderful athlete, works hard, might’ve grown 2cm since he was drafted, versatile, has played mostly forward but he can have an impact through the midfield as well and will be a great player for us.

Did I miss anything?

No
i think you have hit the nail on the head
only the top 5 you would draft in from of him
i think perhaps we trade 7 for two Geelong or two Brisbane picks and give one to gws
i watched him a fair bit for bendigo and Geelong grammar and when his body allowed him to lose the shackles he was super impressive as an inside/ outside midfielder