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I thought we were shedding players! Hope Scully, Patton and Finlayson stay for you guys, hate seeing the Vic clubs like vultures circling.
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No way we are downgrading in this years draft.
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Until the academies are at full tilt itll stay that way.
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Scully rumor for a pick in the 50s, that's worse than we got for hanners.
If the club can get another second round pick this year maybe they could try and trade the 2 with Collingwood for their pick 18, they need points for the father son Kelly and also the NGA Quaynor but I am sure a couple of other clubs could have there eyes on that pick
I think the 3 picks in the first round are important to ensure the replacements are around for the traded out players so they can play several games each and then be ready for 2020
Not sure on the priority for the trades but I think Lobb will be the next one completed hopefully on Monday and maybe
Lobb for #23 + pick swap this year or next year
or
Lobb + #14 for #11 + pick swap this year or next year
I think the 3 picks in the first round are important to ensure the replacements are around for the traded out players so they can play several games each and then be ready for 2020
Not sure on the priority for the trades but I think Lobb will be the next one completed hopefully on Monday and maybe
Lobb for #23 + pick swap this year or next year
or
Lobb + #14 for #11 + pick swap this year or next year
Trade 1
Saints lose 28 + 67, get 35 + 53
Hawks lose 35 + 53, get 28 + 67
746 points from Saints vs. 755 from Hawks
Hawks can use 28 in the draft or they can use it with 15 to potentially upgrade to the pick needed for Wingard. In my scenario, saints would be losing 28 in the next trade anyway so just a means to extract an extra pick 53 for themselves to use.
Trade 2
Essendon lose: 9 + future 1st (Ess), get: Shiel + future 2nd (GWS)
GWS lose Shiel + Finlayson + future 2nd (GWS), get: 4 + 35
Saints lose 4 + 35, get 9 + Finlayson + future 1st (Ess)
*Honestly cant see Saints helping us after being snubbed by Shiel, but stranger things have happened*
The Bombers do the deal that was likely going to net them Shiel regardless. Probably would have liked to use 9+34 instead but may have to settle losing their 2019 1st. If they do rise and get a top 4 spot next year which their list looks capable of doing, would not be a major loss.
GWS lose what they expected plus Finlayson, but instead of 9, we get 4 + a 2nd round pick. Doesnt show the true value of the players lost, but the possibility of getting a top 5 pick is very enticing. Smith or Rankine would be the ones to consider at this range. We could then potentially move 25 + 35 to Collingwood for 18 if we want to squeeze in another pick in the 1st round (1278 points from GWS vs. 985 points from Collingwood - benefits Collingwood with Quaynor and Will Kelly to be picked up as academy selections). This allows us to keep whatever we get from the Lobb trade for ourselves.
Saints drop 5 spots this year, but still get the opportunity to get themselves a pick at the top, can get a good midfielder nevertheless. They also snare themselves a solid player in Finlayson and set themselves up for next year. They lost their 2019 2nd to Sydney and this mitigates that loss. Even evaluating the Bombers as premiers next year which is pushing it, the saints lose 2556 points and gain 2454 points. This estimates Finlayson to be 102 points which is about pick 64.
Saints lose 28 + 67, get 35 + 53
Hawks lose 35 + 53, get 28 + 67
746 points from Saints vs. 755 from Hawks
Hawks can use 28 in the draft or they can use it with 15 to potentially upgrade to the pick needed for Wingard. In my scenario, saints would be losing 28 in the next trade anyway so just a means to extract an extra pick 53 for themselves to use.
Trade 2
Essendon lose: 9 + future 1st (Ess), get: Shiel + future 2nd (GWS)
GWS lose Shiel + Finlayson + future 2nd (GWS), get: 4 + 35
Saints lose 4 + 35, get 9 + Finlayson + future 1st (Ess)
*Honestly cant see Saints helping us after being snubbed by Shiel, but stranger things have happened*
The Bombers do the deal that was likely going to net them Shiel regardless. Probably would have liked to use 9+34 instead but may have to settle losing their 2019 1st. If they do rise and get a top 4 spot next year which their list looks capable of doing, would not be a major loss.
GWS lose what they expected plus Finlayson, but instead of 9, we get 4 + a 2nd round pick. Doesnt show the true value of the players lost, but the possibility of getting a top 5 pick is very enticing. Smith or Rankine would be the ones to consider at this range. We could then potentially move 25 + 35 to Collingwood for 18 if we want to squeeze in another pick in the 1st round (1278 points from GWS vs. 985 points from Collingwood - benefits Collingwood with Quaynor and Will Kelly to be picked up as academy selections). This allows us to keep whatever we get from the Lobb trade for ourselves.
Saints drop 5 spots this year, but still get the opportunity to get themselves a pick at the top, can get a good midfielder nevertheless. They also snare themselves a solid player in Finlayson and set themselves up for next year. They lost their 2019 2nd to Sydney and this mitigates that loss. Even evaluating the Bombers as premiers next year which is pushing it, the saints lose 2556 points and gain 2454 points. This estimates Finlayson to be 102 points which is about pick 64.
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how much does gws supporters think rory lobb is worth
and also are you guys planning on picking up for fremantle ruckman zac clarke
how much does gws supporters think rory lobb is worth
and also are you guys planning on picking up for fremantle ruckman zac clarke
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1. I've already posted my view on your board, so will let you get other opinions.
2. Dont know but it doesn't seem like the worst idea. We may have a gap for a year ilof so waiting for Flynn who seems to be rated long term. I dont follow the WAFL but belive he had a good year after a history of injury problems?
There's a trend if mature players coming out the WAFL good to go with an off-season and I understand he spent years in your club system anyway.
If we do re-list Mummy through the draft maybe not.
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Late 1st rounder to early 2nd rounder.
As for Clarke who knows.
Wouldnt say no but it depends on cost etc.
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The board's ITK indicates that the club is looking to bring Mummy back in; no mention of Zac Clarke. Perhaps he may be a backup if the Mummy plan doesn't happen. I'd think we'd get someone if Rory goes, and Zac had a good WAFL season.
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we have pick 24 I don't think we would trade pick 11
as for Clarke was second string to Sandilands and is a good ruckman as that drift forward role he struggled
but ruckman mature late
and he was let go at age 26 I think
yeah cant go into a season with one ruckman whos 34 even if he is mummy
as for Clarke was second string to Sandilands and is a good ruckman as that drift forward role he struggled
but ruckman mature late
and he was let go at age 26 I think
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The issue was his knees IIRC, so there would need to be a medical check. We do have young Matt Flynn & Dawson Simpson, but Clarke would fit more similar in role & forward ability until Flynn's ready.
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I could see for next year Flynn and Sproule playing 10-15 games as a forward (Flynn or Tomlinson/HH rucking) and then one of Mumford/Simpson as lead ruck and depending on availability then Briggs might step in if the coaches think he is up to it (Don't think so but necessity may require it)
Ideal situation for the club would be to end up with #9 #11 and #14 for the 3 a grade talents then match the bids for Briggs and Walker hope that Koschitzke is available with one of the 3rd round picks then Mumford and the upgrades for Lloyd and Reid and 2 academy prospects in the rookie draft
With that I can maybe see a spot for a mature DFA unless TOJ stays
With that I can maybe see a spot for a mature DFA unless TOJ stays
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I hope the club certainly does not get Clarke in. The team needs reliable players not more injury prone soft players like Clarke. He will pad the injury list and nothing else.
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Both clubs got what they want and it was fair in value.
Scully has nothing to do with this trade.
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I think other trades certainly do have an effect, eg Neale and Hogan
I was just saying I think you won this trade!
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Maybe you should have come over and broken Lobb's ankle if you were that desperate for a bargain.
Until then, maybe don't be stupid and ignore the Scully trade as irrelevant to anyone not brutally injured.
Noone knows how bad the Scully injury is tho
Anyway I leave, was just coming on to congratulate! wasn't looking for an argument since I'm quite happy with the overall value of Hogan and Lobb
Don't take it personally pal. We're all feeling a bit salty about losing some of our long-term players that we probably feel like they should have a flag under their belt before leaving.
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