Training Training Reports, Pics 2017

[Canyouhearthedrums]

It's difficult to tell. Wouldn't have expected Laidler to get any games at Sydney

Fair point.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

All this froth about Ed Curnow.

He is pretty straight forward to assess i reckon. He is an average mid with some strengths and probably a bit too many limitations. It won't take too much for guys like Cuningham, SPS, Charlie, Pickett and a few others to take his place.

Meanwhile Ed will continue ploughing along like the utter pro he is. He will run 5th or 6th or 9th in the B&F of a poorish side like many average mids before him have, because they are around the ball most. If the young guys push him out fairly quickly, it means we are improving. If they don't, then we are stagnating in mediocrity as a team.

I like Ed. Think he has been an asset to the Club and a badly needed good role model on bloody hard work. We have badly needed it. So i always hope he plays well. But he needs to be pushed out fairly quickly or it is a worrying sign of not being able to push our midfield past mediocrity.

This about sums it up for me

 

[Carl Tone]

Serious question - Does Ed get a game at GWS, Sydney or Doggies do you think?

I rate Ed more valuable than Laidler, so yes for Sydney, only.

What's the point of comparing the GWS list? All young, first round pick star players. Unlike any other team.
Not sure there is room for Murph or Gibbs in the middle. Cripps would be the only one.

Doggies have a good mix of young and old so may be 3 of Murph, Gibbs, Doc, Cripps would make their best 22.

 

[La Dispute]

Wouldn't get a game at Sydney, who have just about the best inside depth (maybe GWS) in the comp. He's at a pretty similar level to a guy like Picken from the Dogs. All contingent on the role he's playing.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

No one at Sydney or bulldogs would have eds endurance

HMMMMM.....Errrr
possibly...plenty of A grade athletes there.plus plenty
Ed has no real speed just tags and ball follower.has a excellent tank
and as we know has good def and strength and works well
He would be considered very blue at this stage.

 

[Soapy V]

Wouldn't get a game at Sydney, who have just about the best inside depth (maybe GWS) in the comp. He's at a pretty similar level to a guy like Picken from the Dogs. All contingent on the role he's playing.

He'd be in there easily and probably appreciated more. If he plays Parker goes forward more as can Heeney & Hanneberry or they can play more outside. More options the better. A lot of it is about balance & depth as well.

 

[ShanDog]

No I disagree

he is a good set shot for goal, and also on the move for goal - that tells me he can kick fine.

It comes down to decision making, specifically making choices

Kicking for goal there's one choice, trying to kick btw the sticks and he is fine at that

It's when he has numerous choices in field kicking he blows it

When he gets the ball down back and an obvious short kick into the corridor to a free teammate presents, he executes those types of kicks fine

So again illustrates to me his issues are choices and then executing

Agree to disagree I guess!

 

[La Dispute]

He'd be in there easily and probably appreciated more. If he plays Parker goes forward more as can Heeney & Hanneberry or they can play more outside. More options the better. A lot of it is about balance & depth as well.

He'd be fringe at best.

Parker is much more useful as a mid who can rotate forward than dividing his time between the two positions. Heeney is predominantly a forward, but his midfield minutes are increasing and Mills is likely to work his way into that midfield rotation too.

No sleight on Ed but Sydney are a hard-working midfield collective with lots of guns in there. Can't fault his work-ethic but the guys he'd be competing against have far more natural talent, better football brains and still have a lot of development to come. Plus, they've got plenty of experienced players providing what he gives to Carlton already.

 

[ShanDog]

Bit folly to wonder if Ed would play for Sydney or the Dogs - the top 2 deepest-batting midfields in the comp by a fair way.

 

[raymagoo]

Serious question - Does Ed get a game at GWS, Sydney or Doggies do you think?

Think he'd be a walk up start everywhere yes

 

[passmark]

Sometimes you can't tell if you'd use a particular type of player unless you have one.

There's every chance there's been more than a few coaches that have wished they'd had a guy who could blanket an A grade mid and be a brute runner.

Will just have to see what the future game plan holds and if Ed is a weekly part of it.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Bit folly to wonder if Ed would play for Sydney or the Dogs - the top 2 deepest-batting midfields in the comp by a fair way.

That's where we want to get to though...no?

 

[therubbernub]

I feel for Kerridge, because he is clearly one of the most devoted players on the list. Fit as a fiddle and runs like the wind. But, he seems to struggle in terms of making decisions with ball in hand, esp when kicking. I think Ferris alluded to the issues some players have in terms of decision making, and how this can result in poor kicking. Kerridge's problems to my eye seem to occur a lot when he is presented with the option of kicking into the F50 zone. Often this happens when there isn't THAT much pressure on him. So this is all the more strange. I think he lacks the nous needed to weigh up options and then chose correctly and then execute well. I don't think it is a mechanical/skill issue per se. More mental. He probably wouldn't be the best Quarterback in the NFL.

Tough gig is the AFL. Not only do you have to be big, strong, courageous, and able to run, but you also have to have good decision making skills and ball use skills and a sense for the game (where to go to in order to get the ball, ability to read the flow of the game etc). Get one of these wrong and it can be the diff btw having a 50-100 game career versus a 150-300 game career.

Credit to Curnow and Carrazzo as over time they learned to improve their kicking. Not sure if this was through practicing their kicking time and time again year after year, or through accepting their limitations and in turn being more prudent with ball in hand in games, or both, but they certainly became safer users over time. Can Kerridge do this? See for me Sam's issues are more mental whereas the other two it was more skill deficiency related. Nous seemed to come natural to Curnow and Carrazzo. I suspect the club will give Sam a fair opportunity though because his running endurance and attitude on the track/to fitness is so good they'll value these traits very highly. After all the game is all about running these days and he has this skill in spades.

Personally he looks more athlete first footballer second. But I hope he can improve.

I am hoping Sam becomes our new "old Ed"- can run all day and blanket/nullify a top opposition mid. Ed is no longer the "old Ed"he is the " new Ed" who might finally be morphing into the clearance machine that was Carazzo - very underrated in the end.

 

[ShanDog]

That's where we want to get to though...no?

Yes, but his place in OUR team has nothing to do with where he ranks against the two best midfields in the comp. I know people like to use that angle as a discussion point and to talk about who is quality in their own team, but I don't think it's useful or particularly accurate. Hell, those two clubs would have plenty of supporters who would genuinely argue Marc Murphy wouldn't get a gig in their team. It's subjective and kinda pointless IMO.

 

[Love the Drake]

Sorry to interrupt..I must have the wrong thread. Looking for training reports..

 

[thylacine60]

Ikon Park
Royal Parade
Carlton North, VIC 3054

 

[Cripps Nubake]

Never thought I would live to see the day where I would be sick of hearing about Ed Curnow... but here I am

 

[__Bobcat__]

Never thought I would live to see the day where I would be sick of hearing about Ed Curnow... but here I am

Charlie Curnow!!!


On the other hand!!!!

Lance, Lance keep it in your Pants!!!

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Sorry to interrupt..I must have the wrong thread. Looking for training reports..

I'm tellin yiz, my hashtag idea is genius

 

[rp84]

Sorry to interrupt..I must have the wrong thread. Looking for training reports..

There are none

 

[TooBlue14]

This might help discussion. Dylan Sheil v Ed Curnow. Can you guess which side is who. This is 2016 stats.

 

[TooBlue14]

If you take into account Eds ability to nullify his opponent additional to these stats I don't know where the confusion is. Ed is a very important cog at Carlton. He would definitely get a game at every other team in the afl. Those people on here saying we need our depth to go past him are seriously underrating him. He is a gun; the best player of his skill set in the afl. Which is, a defensive inside midfield stopper. No one in this competition has a player that can do what he does.

 

[BlueGum]

Ed on the left? No. of games played... Tells you something about stats though rather than Ed or dylbucks. Ed contributing more off the stat page for mine.

 

[ferrisb]

Surprisingly even.

Ed with a little less ball, goals and clearances. But twice as many tackles, higher disposal efficiency and arguably a bigger negating impact on opponent.

Should have cut off the games total at the top, though.

Oh, and charge your phone TB

 

[TooBlue14]

Ed on the left? No. of games played... Tells you something about stats though rather than Ed or dylbucks. Ed contributing more off the stat page for mine.

Ed is on the right. And he still contributes more off this stat sheet.