Past Travis Johnstone (2008-2010)

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Re: Travis Johnstone

Leigh's comment about Johnstone actually showed a lot of faith in him, rating his potential output a lot higher than most. I personally don't rate Johnstone as an AA-quality footballer, however I think he is a very good one who so far this year has been contributing most weeks and this should continue. If I end up right and TJ continues along this path, Wood for Johnstone will be a trade that was very good for us, but if Leigh (who is definitely a much better judge) is right then Wood for Johnstone will be a VERY VERY good deal.

Either way I am happy.
 
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Once again not facing the truth. He is a prize recruit and you are happy with his output. Leigh didn't call it criticism, but it is still a public spray, demanding a better performance. It comes down to the supporters rating him as playing good.

Johnstone, the boy who almost got expelled from high school, or did, I can't remember, continues to cruise and get a praise. I hear it so many times that he is good. His output has been worse than Shane O'Bree and he gets criticised each week, because it is needed to be given.

If your happy with Johnstone using the ball, usually without an opponent, at just over 50% efficiency, be my guest, but Leigh has done the club a favour by getting the word out he is under-performing, and that he is definately not living up to the expectation.

The opportunity cost of a developed genuine ruckman aged 21, or a first-round draft pick are exceeding Johnstone, a veteran with not long left, and a spot that isn't safe (when you've got an under-performing midfielder with so much depth, you can only do what Leigh is doing, and playing him as a small defender or small forward).

Johnstone is a class player, everybody knows that, but he is arrogant, and just cruises around for praise from the new home supporters. He should be at All-Australian level, because thats why he was drafted. Instead, he is no.1 AFL for Clangers, ineffective, and not playing in his position because he has under-performed. So when I hear Brisbane media talk him up and their passionate supporters talk him up, it does make me wonder.

As for the crap post, it is going to be crap when you can't open the other eye. Soon you will stay away from the papers because as a supporter you can't accept criticism, let alone give it!
 
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As for the crap post, it is going to be crap when you can't open the other eye. Soon you will stay away from the papers because as a supporter you can't accept criticism, let alone give it!
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two things come to mind here. clearly your as one eyed as your calling us, and clearly you haven't seen the posts on players like sherman and selwood. if you had, you would know we can criticise with the best of them.

its pretty obvious you dont like tj, thats fine, its your opinion and your entitled to it, but dont go around telling everyone else their opinion is wrong, we are entitled to ours too.

these 'effective' stats that people keep bring up about tj are hogwash as well. he is the only one brave enough to hit the chest of a forward in the middle of a flood, and if he does that 1 from 2 kicks im happy with brown and bradshaw on the receiving end. we also play him on the field where we want to, since when did you have to play a player where their old club played them (and melbourne are so flying right now too)

oh, and if you think what lethal gave johnstone was a 'spray' clearly you haven't seen him give a spray before.

ps. what the flying funk does a 29 year old getting in trouble at high school have to do with anything you just said or his form as a 29 year old footballer !?
 

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Gyroscope_182 said:
The opportunity cost of a developed genuine ruckman aged 21
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Asked to be traded because a 19 year old was already ahead of him in the pecking order.

Johnstone was obtained with pick 14. Not Wood.
 
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Gyroscope_182 said:
The opportunity cost of a developed genuine ruckman aged 21, or a first-round draft pick are exceeding Johnstone, a veteran with not long left.
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Lets be realistic here and ditch the advertising bullshit. We lost a 21 year old ruckman with plenty of promise who has achieved nothing. We lost our 3rd string ruckman, who for the foreseeable future (3 to 5 years) would have been a better than 50% chance of being 3rd string for all that time.

Another way to view it is that we lost a late first round draft pick, who could've been a star, could've been a abysmal failure or somewhere in between (It is worth noting that Jack Grimes who went pick 14 in the end is on the LTI at the moment so we had no guarantee "pick 14" would be fit at the moment and ready to play 1s more on this later).

What have we gained was a 27 year old player who has previously won a B&F, which adds experience and the ability to hit a target much better than a lot of our younger midfielders. A 27 year old player is not a veteran (in any AFL definition). A 27 year old player with no serious injury history could play into his mid 30s, or he could retire at 29...there is no way for you to say he has "not long left" without speaking crap.

Finally, Cameron Wood would have played maybe 2 games so far in 2008 (When Charman was injured for 1 game and it may have given us the ability to rest Charman for one more to get him back to full fitness). He would definitely be behind Leuenberger and Charman. Also, only about 5 players from last years draft who were available at pick 14, by my rough count, have played a significant amount of footy this year. TJ has played all 6 games, leads us for kicks, and has similar statistical contributions to Jed Adcock (who is a very highly rated young player) for the year for what that is worth. No matter what way you view the trade. Travis Johnstone is contributing significantly more than any of the other options in 2008.
 
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In my view, TJ has played 4 average games, 1 good game, and one great game. The good game being against Collingwood and the great game being against Port... 2 out of 6 - probably not good enough.
 
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Fairley said:
In my view, TJ has played 4 average games, 1 good game, and one great game. The good game being against Collingwood and the great game being against Port... 2 out of 6 - probably not good enough.
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Agree absolutely- teacher would say "is capable of much better". And that is both a criticism and a compliment
 
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Caracella - i was critical of.
Moody - Still not convinced and probably wont be.


TJ - I think he has put his body on the line at least half a dozen times and has had more quality i50's than anyone else at the Lions. As ChopperDuck stated, if he can hit Brown on the chest 50% of the time in a flooded forward line then he's been a vital contributor.

But as Leigh has said, Trappa has better footy to come, and i think Lethal's right.
 
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Some people on here have unrealistic expectations if they expect TJ to have started scorhing the gabba turf from round one with visions of daisey cutters thumping into browns chest like Dirty Harry blowing away Scorpio in Dirty Harry with his magnum.

Fact is, Johnstone left his preferred club of 10 years and had to move North at 27, quite a change considering he has been around the system.

Give the guy a break, for what its worth he has been more then useful and played a pivotal role in 2 of our 3 victories. AKermanis took a whole season to start producing AA form which he is now.

He is defintely capable of more, i think people underestimate how hard it is to leave a club, fit in at the new one and start producing AA form at the start of the season. TJ's chance will come, sometimes i think Matthews would be better served keeping his mouth shut, if his going to say stuff about players being capable of more, then the first player he should start with is Brown, who has done 20% of what he is capable of this season.
 
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Tassie4ever said:
teacher would say "is capable of much better". And that is both a criticism and a compliment
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Isn't that what the coach said? ;)

TJ has already shown more of the Lions' desperation and courage than he ever did at Melbourne. That in itself deserves appreciation (which I think he got from Lethal after the Port game).

Bowever, he needs to work on his decisions IMO. A lot of the great passes he's made have been straight to Brown, which says to me when he knows exactly where it's going, he's great. There was a moment in the hawks game where, being corralled on the HBF he ummed and aahed with it, before hand-balling to Black, who kicked long through the corridor to advantage (trusting his team-mates to win the contest) which lead to a goal.

I think TJ probably wants to pull off the lace out worm burner everytime, when sometimes you just don't have the space or time and where a clanger could really hurt.

But old dogs learn new tricks slowly, and I think he's first gotta realise that he's now at a club that is realistically looking at a flag during the time that he's here. It's a different culture, it'll take time, but the likes of Brown, Black, Power, Lappin, Bradshaw, Adcock are gonna rub off on anyone, aren't they?

He'll always be a larrikin, but I'd like to see more game focus from him in the future, doing more of the 1%ers, playing on quickly, and hitting targets inside 50, all the things he needs to do to help us win.
 
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notting18 said:
Lets be realistic here and ditch the advertising bullshit. We lost a 21 year old ruckman with plenty of promise who has achieved nothing. We lost our 3rd string ruckman, who for the foreseeable future (3 to 5 years) would have been a better than 50% chance of being 3rd string for all that time.

Another way to view it is that we lost a late first round draft pick, who could've been a star, could've been a abysmal failure or somewhere in between (It is worth noting that Jack Grimes who went pick 14 in the end is on the LTI at the moment so we had no guarantee "pick 14" would be fit at the moment and ready to play 1s more on this later).

What have we gained was a 27 year old player who has previously won a B&F, which adds experience and the ability to hit a target much better than a lot of our younger midfielders. A 27 year old player is not a veteran (in any AFL definition). A 27 year old player with no serious injury history could play into his mid 30s, or he could retire at 29...there is no way for you to say he has "not long left" without speaking crap.

Finally, Cameron Wood would have played maybe 2 games so far in 2008 (When Charman was injured for 1 game and it may have given us the ability to rest Charman for one more to get him back to full fitness). He would definitely be behind Leuenberger and Charman. Also, only about 5 players from last years draft who were available at pick 14, by my rough count, have played a significant amount of footy this year. TJ has played all 6 games, leads us for kicks, and has similar statistical contributions to Jed Adcock (who is a very highly rated young player) for the year for what that is worth. No matter what way you view the trade. Travis Johnstone is contributing significantly more than any of the other options in 2008.
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Brisbane Lions - Disposal Efficiency
MacDONALD, Joel 83
BEGLEY, Colm 82
HENDERSON, Lachie 82
SELWOOD, Troy 82
LAPPIN, Nigel 81
PATFULL, Joel 81
POLKINGHORNE, James 80
CORRIE, Anthony 79
RISCHITELLI, Michael 79
LEUENBERGER, Matthew 78
MILLS, Wayde 75
STILLER, Cheynee 75
ADCOCK, Jed 74
MERRETT, Daniel 73
SHERMAN, Justin 72
BROWN, Jonathan 71
COPELAND, Robert 71
NOTTING, Tim 70
POWER, Luke 70
BRENNAN, Jared 69
CHARMAN, Jamie 69
DRUMMOND, Josh 68
BLACK, Simon 67
McGRATH, Ashley 67
BRADSHAW, Daniel 64
HARDING, Scott 60
HOOPER, Rhan 60
JOHNSTONE, Travis 56
PROUD, Albert 56
*all players used in 2008

Brisbane Lions - Disposal Clangers
JOHNSTONE, Travis 13
BLACK, Simon 9
BRENNAN, Jared 7
ADCOCK, Jed 6
CHARMAN, Jamie 5
PATFULL, Joel 5

AFL - Disposal Clangers
JOHNSTONE, Travis (BL) 13
NASH, Jay (Ess) 12
JONES, Nathan (Melb) 10
SWAN, Dane (Coll) 10
WHEATLEY, Paul (Melb) 10
BLACK, Simon (BL) 9

AFL Records
Most (disposal) clangers by an individual in one match:
JOHNSTONE, Travis (Melb) 7, vs Carlton, R22, 2007

I doubt he has lived up to the expectation of hitting a target, only got worse with 53% last week.
 
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Gyroscope_182 said:
Brisbane Lions - Disposal Efficiency
MacDONALD, Joel 83
BEGLEY, Colm 82
HENDERSON, Lachie 82
SELWOOD, Troy 82
LAPPIN, Nigel 81
PATFULL, Joel 81
POLKINGHORNE, James 80
CORRIE, Anthony 79
RISCHITELLI, Michael 79
LEUENBERGER, Matthew 78
MILLS, Wayde 75
STILLER, Cheynee 75
ADCOCK, Jed 74
MERRETT, Daniel 73
SHERMAN, Justin 72
BROWN, Jonathan 71
COPELAND, Robert 71
NOTTING, Tim 70
POWER, Luke 70
BRENNAN, Jared 69
CHARMAN, Jamie 69
DRUMMOND, Josh 68
BLACK, Simon 67
McGRATH, Ashley 67
BRADSHAW, Daniel 64
HARDING, Scott 60
HOOPER, Rhan 60
JOHNSTONE, Travis 56
PROUD, Albert 56
*all players used in 2008
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Inconclusive numbers.

Simon Black and Josh Drummond are 2 of the best kicks in the competition and are striking in the 60's,

Alan Didak is at around 68% and is easily one of the best kicks at Collingwood.

Depends where you get your kicks and it what situation. Anyone that watches football instead of reading stats, knows that Travis Johnstone is an elite user of the footy.

He's been ok this year, but I expect Lethal was expecting alot more - and he has said as much. The question is whether Trav has it in him.
 

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Fairley said:
I hope the relationship between Travis and Leigh is alright, especially after these past few weeks. What do you guys think?
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No need to worry Fairley - Ignore the troll, there is no evidence of the Johnstone/Matthews relationship being anything diffferent to the norm.
 
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Sometimes i think Matthews need to keep things in private, really there is no need to come out and say this crap, blind freddy can see that the media will turn and whip it up. This stuff went on with Caracella and really it didnt do anyone any good and one felt Matthews never really rated Caracella, which is a shame because he was a damaging footballer when used properly.

Johnstone deserves this stuff to be kept in private, the fact is Johnstone has helped win us 2 games already that we should not have one, that is a sizeable contribution if you ask me.
 
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Fairley said:
I hope the relationship between Travis and Leigh is alright, especially after these past few weeks. What do you guys think?
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I think it would be a mistake to presume it is ideal for coach and player to be best of buds. In fact that may have contributed to why Trapper didn't reach his potential at Melbourne. Travis has a bit of a reputation as being one who is not particularly motivated to get the best out of himself, and I think Leigh's comments were very deliberate in trying to remedy that. Travis may not like it, but if keeping him on his toes brings the best out of him, then that is good coaching.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT said:
Sometimes i think Matthews need to keep things in private, really there is no need to come out and say this crap, blind freddy can see that the media will turn and whip it up. This stuff went on with Caracella and really it didnt do anyone any good and one felt Matthews never really rated Caracella, which is a shame because he was a damaging footballer when used properly.

Johnstone deserves this stuff to be kept in private, the fact is Johnstone has helped win us 2 games already that we should not have one, that is a sizeable contribution if you ask me.
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Which is why Leigh took great pains to stress that it wasnt an insult to Travis to say he could play better.
 
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there are different forms of encouragement, and lethal obvious thinks this is the way to try get every drop of talent out of old tj. he did mention to tj what he had said to prepare him for the paper headlines too.

dont think melbourne ever really tried to milk all that talent out of him. where as someone like lethal will get every bit out of a player. that fact that lethal thinks he his all australian material is a pretty big wrap.

he will only get better as he settles into the team more, and as mentioned, has been doing the hard stuff that he never did at melb like going backward into packs.
 
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My claims of close to omission...Johnstone seems to have popped up with an Anthony Rocca injury. The injury will do as an excuse for a high player profile, but pressured out of the side due to the coaches expectations on the player.
 
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clearly has no idea about lethal and the way he does business or how our team operates. which makes his posts regarding this matter not credible and no longer worth replying to.

just sounds like someone is pissy that the lions picked up a quality 'all australian caliber' player (according to lethal himself), and in return we basically lost nothing from our starting team.
 
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If you think Lethal doesn't play mind games with both the media and his players at the selection table, then you're just being silly.

I've been reasonably balanced in this thread when it comes to Johnstone, and he could well have a hamstring - but it wouldn't be the first, nor would it be the last time Lethal drops a bloke and lists it as an injury.
 
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Thommo 42 said:
If you think Lethal doesn't play mind games with both the media and his players at the selection table, then you're just being silly.

I've been reasonably balanced in this thread when it comes to Johnstone, and he could well have a hamstring - but it wouldn't be the first, nor would it be the last time Lethal drops a bloke and lists it as an injury.
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Well what is your point? Ash Mcgrath was dropped after having a decent game and was listed as OMITTED, why the ____ would TJ have not been listed as OMITTED if he was dropped on merit rather then being forced out due to injury.
 

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