Opinion Travis Varcoe

Assuming Varcoe is worth pick 10 in any draft, would you trade him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.7%

  • No

    Votes: 30 24.8%

  • Get stuffed Meto

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Total voters
    121

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PB,.......you sound equally frustrated as what I've been, but as I've realized BF Geelong has been hi-jacked by the Varcoe supporters club, an unbiased open forum should never declare itself as a direct support group in favor of a particular player, ...it's just all wrong.

But he's been given another life-line so for the sake of our finals hopes lets hope he plays well enough not to be an impediment to team success.
I'm trying to be as fair as I can be, but I know! some of the rubbish deserves to be trashed.
 
Yes there are plenty of good things you can do when you haven't got the ball. Chase, tackle, pressure, shepherd, 1 % ers, run and spread to provide an option or space to open up for another to run into, etc. All required things.

But you still need to get your hands on the footy especially if you are an excellent kick. The team needs you to be delivering the ball upfield as the chances are we will get the ball and maybe a shot on goal.

So Varcoe needs to get 15 or more possies a game. No reason why he can't. Just not in form at present and GFC are hoping he gets into some form.

If Varcoe gets 20 possies tonight a heap of people will say he has turned the corner and see he can be a very useful and productive team player. Yet many of these people will be ones saying he did not need 20 possies to be an effective player for us.

There is a number of possies you need to get depending on your role in the team. No one has an issue with Lonergan getting 4-6 disposals if the KPP he is playing on remains goaless.

Varcoe is not a backman nullifying an opponent. He is in the team for run and speed - skill - tackling - kicking - and to get possessions. We will all be different I suspect re what he needs to get re possies on average to be considered a success. My guess is around 15-18 possies, 4-6 tackles, 6-8 pressure acts and 2-3 goal assists or goals. Non one would not think that was not a decent contribution from Varcoe.

He will also run and spread and create options - but that is not recorded in the stats.
 

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footscore said:
at least until he's played a full season and not 8 games total since the conclusion of the 2011 season.

Yes!
He has been injured you remember?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ter-foot-surgery/story-e6frf9jf-1226252498920
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Sure. Explain to me why he's continually persevered with in the seniors then? It seems logical for an injured player who's missed games to come back via the VFL to me. Isn't that more or less a large part of what that competition is for?

Varcoe has never been good enough to warrant an immediate selection either. Even Christensen doesn't seem to enjoy that luxury, yet has unquestionably eclipsed Varcoe in every measure. Motlop is also a class above. When has Varcoe ever been compared to Rioli? Enough said.

Varcoe is a favourite at the club... plain and simple. Whether its because he's mentally fragile confidence wise and can't play VFL or has some other bias, it's too hard to accept otherwise. He's just been so awful for so long, he simply wouldn't last in any other team out there... If you think so, I'm happy to hear comparisons of midfielder types at other clubs. Our on-field perfomance as a team and wealth of VFL performers only bolsters this case.

Varcoe right now is a genuine liability. His tank is bad, he's put weight on, has lost most of his speed, doesn't win the ball, and doesn't get involved enough. Don't underestimate how this type of thing upsets those players busting a gut and dominating in the VFL week after week.
 
Jon Douglas said:
Yes there are plenty of good things you can do when you haven't got the ball. Chase, tackle, pressure, shepherd, 1 % ers, run and spread to provide an option or space to open up for another to run into, etc. All required things.

But you still need to get your hands on the footy especially if you are an excellent kick. The team needs you to be delivering the ball upfield as the chances are we will get the ball and maybe a shot on goal.

So Varcoe needs to get 15 or more possies a game. No reason why he can't. Just not in form at present and GFC are hoping he gets into some form.

If Varcoe gets 20 possies tonight a heap of people will say he has turned the corner and see he can be a very useful and productive team player. Yet many of these people will be ones saying he did not need 20 possies to be an effective player for us.

There is a number of possies you need to get depending on your role in the team. No one has an issue with Lonergan getting 4-6 disposals if the KPP he is playing on remains goaless.

Varcoe is not a backman nullifying an opponent. He is in the team for run and speed - skill - tackling - kicking - and to get possessions. We will all be different I suspect re what he needs to get re possies on average to be considered a success. My guess is around 15-18 possies, 4-6 tackles, 6-8 pressure acts and 2-3 goal assists or goals. Non one would not think that was not a decent contribution from Varcoe.

He will also run and spread and create options - but that is not recorded in the stats.
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These statement about what he does, which isn't 'recorded in the stats' is merely a way to excuse what he's not doing. ALL payers need to spread, create space, put in a large number of kms in today's footy. Varcoe is by no means on his own here.
 
footscore said:
at least until he's played a full season and not 8 games total since the conclusion of the 2011 season.

Yes!
He has been injured you remember?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ter-foot-surgery/story-e6frf9jf-1226252498920
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ith-broken-thumb/story-e6frf9k6-1226619864476
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There's 4-5 who could replace him with a reshuffle that have at least earn't a chance, unlike him who had 8 vfl touches before a 1 game call-up.:rolleyes: and his 8av over 5 afl matches to date!

What are you harping on about,....do you call that acceptable>..well! do you??o_O

And this defense he's been injured, well he's darn well not anymore otherwise they wouldn't play him, would they now!........after all how many players have had to at some time come back from an injury??..Nearly all off them at some stage, look at Motlop, or Grant Birchell last night,...first friggin game back.
So far I'd hate to carry someone like him into a game against Hawthorn now!!

If no decent performance today he's got to be dropped or there's something seriously wrong at Geelong.
 
Jmac2225 said:
Speaking of comeback trails how stiffs Chappy to be left out after 25 possies in his 2nd game back in comparison?

Baffling I know :rolleyes:
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The MC needs a reshuffle as well as the team. .......As a Geelong 'team' supporter it's frustrating, but if they're going to go on like this, all we can do is hope like heck he carries his weight, these hair brain supporters of his are delusional, they'd have to be.
 
Its tough for you meto when those hair brained supporters of his called the MC.... including the coach....you know...the guys who have us second on the ladder and have taken us to premierships.... just cant get it right by agreeing with your opinion. Bloody well should be replaced until they do. :rolleyes:

Varcoe is being given every chance to find form before the finals because his pace and defensive pressure will be needed in the finals. Yes..he has to get more of it..I agree....but those hairbrained MC blokes can see like most of us...that he needs time to find form after so long out...and if he can find his form, he will structurally, be a very important addition to our tilt at the flag.

Should he have been given time in the VFL....? Have they asked to much of him after his foot and shoulder reconstruction? Perhaps...but they have decided for him at least....that exposure to the top level is the way to go. They know a hell of a lot more than you and I about what they want and need from TV, and how he is progressing fitness wise....so unlike you, I'm prepared to back the team (incl the MC) rather than shit canning them.
 
David the Cat said:
Its tough for you meto when those hair brained supporters of his called the MC.... including the coach....you know...the guys who have us second on the ladder and have taken us to premierships.... just cant get it right by agreeing with your opinion. Bloody well should be replaced until they do. :rolleyes:

Varcoe is being given every chance to find form before the finals because his pace and defensive pressure will be needed in the finals. Yes..he has to get more of it..I agree....but those hairbrained MC blokes can see like most of us...that he needs time to find form after so long out...and if he can find his form, he will structurally, be a very important addition to our tilt at the flag.

Should he have been given time in the VFL....? Have they asked to much of him after his foot and shoulder reconstruction? Perhaps...but they have decided for him at least....that exposure to the top level is the way to go. They know a hell of a lot more than you and I about what they want and need from TV, and how he is progressing fitness wise....so unlike you, I'm prepared to back the team (incl the MC) rather than shit canning them.
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His pace?....if you knew anything at all you'd notice he's not that fast doesn't win the ball when the opposition's close at best he's an outside option man, played a fair game but that's about it.o_O
Your the biggest nutter of all!!

If you want a tip check out Josh Caddy's 1/2 game, inside outside, top class intensity.
 
meto said:
His pace?....if you knew anything at all you'd notice he's not that fast doesn't win the ball when the opposition's close at best he's an outside option man, played a fair game but that's about it.o_O
Your the biggest nutter of all!!

If you want a tip check out Josh Caddy's 1/2 game, inside outside, top class intensity.
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Just a question you've refused to answer previously.

Your thoughts on his 2011 GF performance?
 

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Hoffy95 said:
Varcoe was pretty handy tonight. Looked a good fit.

That said, hard not to look good the way the boys played. Next week will be the big test for him.
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Doesn't do the big runs like Motlop and Christensen or Stokes but 18 handy possessions, only thing I didn't like he fumbled when opposition closed, but I'm pleasedhe tried to increase his workrate it payed dividends.
But the one who impresses me was Josh Caddy 21 possessions in 1/2 a game of footy, I think he needs more respect from the MC, that boy was everywhere.;)
 
meto said:
Doesn't do the big runs like Motlop and Christensen or Stokes but 18 handy possessions, only thing I didn't like he fumbled when opposition closed, but I'm pleasedhe tried to increase his workrate it payed dividends.
But the one who impresses me was Josh Caddy 21 possessions in 1/2 a game of footy, I think he needs more respect from the MC, that boy was everywhere.;)
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Still refuse to answer the question I see...........move along guys.
 
meto said:
Doesn't do the big runs like Motlop and Christensen or Stokes but 18 handy possessions, only thing I didn't like he fumbled when opposition closed, but I'm pleasedhe tried to increase his workrate it payed dividends.
But the one who impresses me was Josh Caddy 21 possessions in 1/2 a game of footy, I think he needs more respect from the MC, that boy was everywhere.;)
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I think Cadds has all the respect he needs from the MC.;)
 
meto said:
Doesn't do the big runs like Motlop and Christensen or Stokes but 18 handy possessions, only thing I didn't like he fumbled when opposition closed, but I'm pleasedhe tried to increase his workrate it payed dividends.
But the one who impresses me was Josh Caddy 21 possessions in 1/2 a game of footy, I think he needs more respect from the MC, that boy was everywhere.;)
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Thought he was good, but didn't realise he was that good. Amazing effort from Caddy :)
 
MD said:
Just a question you've refused to answer previously.

Your thoughts on his 2011 GF performance?
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how about round 1?



his two involvements in the final quarter (at 2:48 onwards, from memory) were sublime...

he is capable of so much - hope he can get back there soon.

very valuable player when on.
 
Better this week but I can't help but shake the feel it was a bit of dowhill skiiers performance like against the Saints a few weeks ago.

Nonetheless he will be selected to play again against Sydney next week and that will tell us a lot more.
 
meto said:
The MC needs a reshuffle as well as the team. .......As a Geelong 'team' supporter it's frustrating, but if they're going to go on like this, all we can do is hope like heck he carries his weight, these hair brain supporters of his are delusional, they'd have to be.
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Tell us who is on the match committee. Which of them you want to replace and by whom?
 
FredLeDeux said:
I think Cadds has all the respect he needs from the MC.;)
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MD said:
Just a question you've refused to answer previously.

Your thoughts on his 2011 GF performance?
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Are you ok?, he managed 18 possessions was far from BOG,....others got 30+ plenty in the 20's he improved from his 8, but just as I said to VC 15-20 poss is what he should aim for each week not occasionally, I thought he was steady!which was a big improvement..............You bang on about the past all the time, he av 16 poss for that whole yr, and kicked 31 goals which was quite good for a small fwd, but not earth shattering like you try to claim?

He's been criticized, and for good reason, but if he presents and runs harder he'll get involved more it's up to him.
Cadds proved he's probably needed on the ground rather than sitting on the pine Fred!
 
bulletproof said:
He did enough to sure up his spot. I thought he looked much sharper.

Clearly we are trying to burn sides with pace and running power. Unlikely he will be dropped now.

Big test next week.
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Got his hands on it more tonight. But he really needs to lift his intensity. Still got that casualness he had pre midway through 2011 when he was not only good outside the contest but inside too. Will be important for us when it counts.
 
meto said:
Are you ok?, he managed 18 possessions was far from BOG,....others got 30+ plenty in the 20's he improved from his 8, but just as I said to VC 15-20 poss is what he should aim for each week not occasionally,
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Which brings me to my other question you refuse to answer. Do you watch games live or live through television and the stats sheet?
I thought he was steady!which was a big improvement..............You bang on about the past all the time,
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I bang on about his past because you conveniently forget about his limited football in the preceding years since said GF.
he av 16 poss for that whole yr, and kicked 31 goals which was quite good for a small fwd, but not earth shattering like you try to claim?
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Name other small forwards with similar numbers and adequate defensive pressure.


When did I ever claim it was earth shattering, merely stating his role and importance to the side, as shown by his 2011 GF performance.
 
Caddy and Varcoe are not competing for the same spot/role in the team...not sure why meto brought it up...

Then again he's a mad as a cut snake so who knows what will come next. Maybe DT points are a measure of performance?.........bwuhahaahahahaa....ooops....sorry ...he's already done that ....

Oh...maybe he will say sack the MC....bwuhahahahahahha...ooops...he's already done that too...

Comedy central Cat fans.
 

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