Opinion Travis Varcoe

Assuming Varcoe is worth pick 10 in any draft, would you trade him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.7%

  • No

    Votes: 30 24.8%

  • Get stuffed Meto

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Total voters
    121

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Berserker26 said:
We should always drop players who kick 2 goals, get 16 possessions and use the ball at 92%DE. After a game like that we should actually break their legs.
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Stop the BS pal, it was 14 and none in the first quarter, the only reason he got the 14 is our guys were so under the pump they had to use the outside option all day, this also happened against Port when our dependables were under the pump.

Both goals were outside legacy of the hard work of others, especially the first which TH was making sure of rather than taking the kick himself.
But don't go artificially pumping this blokes tyres pal, there's enough BS written about him on here as it is.
 
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FredLeDeux said:
There's no middle ground with Varcoe, is there?
People on either side of the argument seem to engage in almost every logical fallacy going.
And the Selective Observation each side uses seems to make it absolutely impossible to ever reach any consensus about what he actually does, let alone what he should be doing, or what the MC expects him to do.

At the end of the day, the important thing is that he continues to get a game, and there is no sign of this changing, so the whole argument really becomes moot.
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The thing that intrigues me is that the arguments put forward are as at home with him now as they were in 2007. That is as damning about some posters (both sides of the argument) as it is about the player! People seem so slow to adjust their opinions/perspectives/expectations about players no matter how long they observe a set of facts that don't match their view. In some cases, it seems, people never adjust!
 

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FredLeDeux said:
There's no middle ground with Varcoe, is there?
People on either side of the argument seem to engage in almost every logical fallacy going.
And the Selective Observation each side uses seems to make it absolutely impossible to ever reach any consensus about what he actually does, let alone what he should be doing, or what the MC expects him to do.

At the end of the day, the important thing is that he continues to get a game, and there is no sign of this changing, so the whole argument really becomes moot.
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I disagree Fred, I think there's plenty of middle ground. Unfortunately the many, many Varcoe fans on here see any criticism of his game at all as an unjustified attack, or ludicrously, "hate". It's not. It's wanting every player selected to earn their spot in the 22 on merit. In reality that doesn't always occur. But he's the worst example of a player who doesn't always do enough, and never, ever, gets dropped. There's nothing wrong with pointing it out, and it's not an extreme position either.

When Varcoe is playing at his best, he's a useful if not essential member of the team. But when he's not (like now), there's no reason why he can't recapture form in the VFL like plenty of others do, and everyone should.
 
By the way, despite efforts by some to describe their own view as "middle ground", the most likely moderate view of Varcoe is the one held by the people who have the most insight to the situation; the most knowledge about personalities, fitness and injury; and the most expertise.

(I'm tipping they ain't got time for BigFooty ;))
 
We've been patiently waiting for 12mths for him to turn the so called corner CE, when is enough enough!
We're getting that soft reputation all over again, Freo know we're easy and so do others!
He's just not worthy of a senior game.
 
catempire said:
By the way, despite efforts by some to describe their own view as "middle ground", the most likely moderate view of Varcoe is the one held by the people who have the most insight to the situation; the most knowledge about personalities, fitness and injury; and the most expertise.

(I'm tipping they ain't got time for BigFooty ;))
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Disagree entirely that their view is moderate. They seem him train and probably dazzle everyone. They're as biased as everyone else.
 
If Blicavs was out of the side then Varcoe can do his job on the wing running to space and avoiding contact. A job he does much better than Blicavs.

We have no way near the depth to drop the guy. Yeah it's disappointing that someone with his talent isn't an A grader but he still does enough to get a game.
 
FredLeDeux said:
At the end of the day, the important thing is that he continues to get a game, and there is no sign of this changing, so the whole argument really becomes moot.
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Right, he's not looking like getting dropped so that's ok is it? So what if he was on the end of a couple of plays that ended in goals. He's been placed at stoppages to win the ball and isn't. His defensive pressure is rubbish. 92% efficiency in such a pressured game suggests to me that he got all of his disposals out the back. We needed someone to win the ball!!! Our biggest contested possession thumping EVER! Waiting for a handball receive in such a game is pointless.

There's the difference between yourself and I. I'm not happy accepting mediocrity. I don't have 100% faith in the decisions made by the club. There were obvious mistakes made going into finals last year, one was clearly Varcoe. He maintained poor form throughout the year, yet they persisted with him. Why? His form in finals was putrid. I say he could have gained some form in the VFL, then (if earnt) could come back in with a fresh state of mind. Nope.

So the club then tries to boot him out the door, and surprise, surprise... The other 17 clubs don't take the bait. Yet he still doesn't have to earn his spot in the seniors??? It's beyond logic.

Classic situation of one set of rules for one bloke and another set for everyone else. I know they're concerned about his state of mind and confidence if dropped to VFL. Ridiculous!! The guy is a professional on a big salary... It's truly bad for him, bad for club fabric and culture, not to mention team performance.

Maybe we'll turn the switch this week, bring our pressured game / intensity and he'll look good again? If not... same old shit. Downhill skier.
 
cynical said:
If Blicavs was out of the side then Varcoe can do his job on the wing running to space and avoiding contact. A job he does much better than Blicavs.

We have no way near the depth to drop the guy. Yeah it's disappointing that someone with his talent isn't an A grader but he still does enough to get a game.
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I'd do it anyway to set an example. Like when Geelong dropped Mackie (all of 3 years ago) in late 2010 which has seen him respond with the best 3 seasons of his career.

Drop Varcoe, promote Schroder.
Drop Blicavs, promote Brown or Walker.

All of a sudden, we have two ruckmen, and two key forwards. That'll help Hawkins find more space. We also have one extra midfielder, and a genuine one.
 
PatrickBateman said:
Classic situation of one set of rules for one bloke and another set for everyone else. I know they're concerned about his state of mind and confidence if dropped to VFL. Ridiculous!! The guy is a professional on a big salary... It's truly bad for him, bad for club fabric and culture, not to mention team performance.

Maybe we'll turn the switch this week, bring our pressured game / intensity and he'll look good again? If not... same old shit. Downhill skier.
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Wouldn't you love to get half a dozen VFL guys to have a few beers and then ask their opinions on Varcoe. Make for interesting listening.

Remember they tried their best to keep Horlin-Smith in the VFL but he's smashed the door down. Hopefully Schroder and a few others can join him.
 
Partridge said:
Wouldn't you love to get half a dozen VFL guys to have a few beers and then ask their opinions on Varcoe. Make for interesting listening.

Remember they tried their best to keep Horlin-Smith in the VFL but he's smashed the door down. Hopefully Schroder and a few others can join him.
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You're absolutely spot on there, which was part of my point about it impacting club culture. That talk would definitely happen. Anyone who's been involved in clubs at any level can relate too.
 

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Partridge said:
Wouldn't you love to get half a dozen VFL guys to have a few beers and then ask their opinions on Varcoe. Make for interesting listening.

Remember they tried their best to keep Horlin-Smith in the VFL but he's smashed the door down. Hopefully Schroder and a few others can join him.
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I'd keep Varcoe out of that room after they had a few, that's for sure!
 
vealesy said:
So now we just take cheap pot shots at our own players on this board?

Are there any grown up cats forums on the net these days?
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Tip: use the ignore function and it gets you halfway there! ;)
 
nowhereneargeelong said:
I've defended Varcoe for years... He's had good patches.

He has had some injuries and it takes time to get back into it after injuries. But he has had the time.

I'm done with him now. Doesn't seem to want the ball. Doesn't have any intensity. Seems lazy and completely disinterested.
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I'm the same. I've supported him on this forum numerous times but Sat night's effort has turned me. Too many half-hearted displays. It wasn't just his lack of desire to win the footy it was the lack of chase when we didn't have the footy. He was an absolute passenger in a game that needed everyone to step up to the plate. The 2 goals he kicked don't compensate for all of that in my mind.
 
meto said:
We've been patiently waiting for 12mths for him to turn the so called corner CE, when is enough enough!
We're getting that soft reputation all over again, Freo know we're easy and so do others!
He's just not worthy of a senior game.
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Sorry meto, but "we" have been waiting patiently; you...well.....
 
meto said:
Stop the BS pal, it was 14 and none in the first quarter, the only reason he got the 14 is our guys were so under the pump they had to use the outside option all day, this also happened against Port when our dependables were under the pump.

Both goals were outside legacy of the hard work of others, especially the first which TH was making sure of rather than taking the kick himself.
But don't go artificially pumping this blokes tyres pal, there's enough BS written about him on here as it is.
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Love to see how far and hard TV ran to get on the end of that hard work from others, even when he works hard, you'd like to say he hasn't. He's an outside player, get over it.

He's also 3rd in our team for tackles.

So in effect you want to drop our 3rd best goal kicker (offence) and 3rd best tackler (defence and pressure)...

Once again Meto (pal) your ability to analyse footy is lacking. Just continue to make up for it by going OTT on everything.
 
Berserker26 said:
Love to see how far and hard TV ran to get on the end of that hard work from others, even when he works hard, you'd like to say he hasn't. He's an outside player, get over it.

He's also 3rd in our team for tackles.

So in effect you want to drop our 3rd best goal kicker (offence) and 3rd best tackler (defence and pressure)...
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Varcoe is not our 3rd best goalkicker. Don't know where you got that from.
 
Berserker26 said:
Lol - i do this, i go away for what feels like weeks at a time then come back and find the same negative rubbish from mostly the same people.
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Yeah I know, it's crazy isn't it?

Varcoe doesn't do enough, and some dare to suggest VFL and promote a young guy who is working harder (i.e. Jordan Schroder).
Fast forward to now, and Varcoe still isn't doing enough, and again some dare to suggest VFL and promote a young guy who is working harder (i.e. Jordan Schroder).

How dare they.
 

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