Treatment versus Vaccine

[radiojake]

the govt has given up because the perpetual freedom whingers and newscorp lackys have absolutely infected the discourse with complete misinformation

we are collectively stupider than we have ever been as a society, despite having more information at our fingertips than ever before

 

[Lebbo73]

During the COVID lockdowns, people were not coming into contact with the common, garden variety flu but the fact that people who would normally have a "flu jab", did not.

This is but another absolute failure on the part of the previous Government whose information and direction to the citizenry was convoluted to say the least.
Medical practitioners were getting information from the Health Department(s) days, if not weeks, after some gobbledegook from some Government reprobate hit the headlines only to be withdrawn or countered by some other back-yarder and all the while, something as critically important as "flu jabs", were just passed over.

Your question is a good one but don't be fooled that COVID has somehow been defeated or is on the retreat; it's as bad as it's every been!

We hit 1,000 cases per day around the 26th of August, 2021, it got up to around 2,000 case a day just on the 1st of October, 2021 where it stayed until about the 28th of October of 2021 whereupon it started to decline again to the low/mid 1,000's again until a couple of weeks into December, where Cro-Magnon and his sycophants started making noises that Australia would be "opened up" by Christmas and the dam walls burst!

We went from 1,800 cases/day on the 13th of December to 4,500 on the 21st of December, nearly 10,000 on Christmas day to 35,000 per day on New Year's day! By January the 13th, we had hit 150,000 per day and it's come down since, gradually, to about the end of April where we hit just under 40,000 where it stayed 'till about the end of May and we are now down to about 20,000 per day. The death rates however have continued to soar and we have had 6,400 people die through COVID since the first of January this year whereas we lost 2,353 souls for the preceding year! Our daily numbers of cases may have fallen as we have now nearly stopped formal testing but deaths continue to trend upwards alarmingly.

The ramifications of people contracting COVID will not be absolutely apparent for a few years yet and then, we will be kicking ourselves at not remaining vigilant and disciplined and not having put in strong measure to quarantine this insidious virus and stopping, to the best of our ability, overseas arrivals from bringing it in.

It isn’t from contracting Covid19.

 

[Lebbo73]

Oh my god you absolute cretin.


The Vax isn't a silver bullet. It's never been. And it's never pretended to be.

If we weren't vax'd and were living life as we are now - those 6400 deaths would realistically be closer to the 670,000 they had in Brazil, or the 180000 they've had in the UK. COVID case numbers are down because most are not even recorded. Most people aren't even bothering to test any more.

How in earth you can read that bolded sentence and draw your conclusion is simply astounding. Beyond the realms of idiocy really.



As for the flu, it was 'gone' because it's far less contageous than COVID, and the measures taken to reduce the spread of COVID basically wiped it out of the community. Naturally, as borders and society have opened up, it's come back. That's what viruses do. They spread. And FWIW, all the people I know that have had the 'flu', have not actually been tested for Influenza. They've been crook with a cold like they have been every year, and once they tested negative for COVID, they refer to it as 'the flu'.


In terms of what we can do to protect ourselves from COVID, the extreme is that we isolate more, wear masks, reduce large gatherings, work from home etc. etc. That won't happen, as there is no political appetite for that to happen. And that's because there would be no public support for it.

Personally, when living through a pandemic, my view is that it's never going to be ideal. There will be lots of sick people and there will be lots of deaths. That's kind of what a pandemic does.
It always has been, and as far as I can see still is, about finding the balance between the public health response and facilitating the ongoing functioning of society.

The flu didn’t disappear. The testing devices couldn’t differentiate between Covid19 and the flu.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The flu didn’t disappear. The testing devices couldn’t differentiate between Covid19 and the flu.

They could, and they still do.

 

[burge13]

I hope you have a complete recovery from COVID and yes, you are to be commended for taking responsibility but let's not mince words; the reason you have been affected with COVID is because morons and self indulgent pigs who don't give a f*** about others have shown scant regard, if any, towards you and other members of our communities.

We do not have to go back to the severe lock downs we once were subjected to IF we put in place measures to stop the free-for-all spread of this pathogen. We need to keep wearing masks - the pathogen is spread mostly through the air and we need to secure our borders with a far stricter quarantine and inspection regime than we have now.

This disease wil not just go away. Herd immunity is not applicable and in two, three, four years time plus, the consequences will be dire, much worse than where they are now because we will have a whole new cohort of ill people to deal with and this will mean even greater expense both human and monetary. What will the worshipors of money say then? "Let the bastards die because it costs to much money to look after them and stifles economic activity."?

It's cliched I know, but we do reap what we sow and we are sowing a huge tragedy in the future and that is in no way to detract from the tragedies unfolding every day now.

We pat ourselves on the back for being modern and enlightened but with this issue, it seems that we have just given up because it's just "too hard", which is code for "too expensive".

I don't know you personally but my thoughts are with you and everyone that is suffering from COVID.

Are you ok?

 

[Northalives]

Are you ok?

Is wishing someone a good recovery from any illness, COVID or whatever a bad thing is it? I hope you or none of your family get a good dose of COVID.

 

[Northalives]

The flu didn’t disappear. The testing devices couldn’t differentiate between Covid19 and the flu.

hahahahahhaaaaha ... I've missed your conspiracy laden claptrap around here: "The testing devices couldn’t differentiate between Covid19 and the flu" hahahahahahahhhaaaa - you're a riot!

 

[burge13]

Is wishing someone a good recovery from any illness, COVID or whatever a bad thing is it? I hope you or none of your family get a good dose of COVID.

We've all had it. So severe boredom was the worst of it. Get over it, the world has.

 

[faible]

We've all had it. So severe boredom was the worst of it. Get over it, the world has.

Lucky you. I know a few people who have had ongoing side effects due to it.

No, they're not obese, or smokers before you run with that idiocy.

 

[radiojake]

My partner got it in March - kicked her for a week - hasn't returned to 100% energy

Just this week she's copped a headcold - nothing crazy in itself but her energy levels are right back to when she got covid - basically bed ridden again but just without the fever and chills she had in March

I've still avoided covid and hopefully stays that way

 

[burge13]

Lucky you. I know a few people who have had ongoing side effects due to it.

No, they're not obese, or smokers before you run with that idiocy.

K

Everyone must bunker down and live fearfully because Owen knows someone who is a statistical outlier. Ill let society know, fun is over. Remain indoors, no one else may live happily until such time no one ever gets sick again...

 

[faible]

K

Everyone must bunker down and live fearfully because Owen knows someone who is a statistical outlier. Ill let society know, fun is over. Remain indoors, no one else may live happily until such time no one ever gets sick again...

Not what I said.

You were downplaying it, as usual, pretending it's not something anyone gets sick from so the person wishing people well is unnecessary.

Except for all those people that do feel pretty shit, or worse, probably appreciate it.

Not everyone is the selfish type you are.

 

[burge13]

Not what I said.

You were downplaying it, as usual, pretending it's not something anyone gets sick from so the person wishing people well is unnecessary.

Except for all those people that do feel pretty s**t, or worse, probably appreciate it.

Not everyone is the selfish type you are.

Not what i said

You were exaggerating as usual, pretending everyone needs to be as fearful as you.

Except for all the billions of people who are no longer worried about it

Not everyone is the selfish type you are

 

[faible]

Not what i said

You were exaggerating as usual, pretending everyone needs to be as fearful as you.

Except for all the billions of people who are no longer worried about it

Not everyone is the selfish type you are

I see you've taken the same approach a primary school kid would, very apt for the level of thinking you demonstrate. Grade 3 would be about where I'd have pegged you as being at.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Not what I said.

You were downplaying it, as usual, pretending it's not something anyone gets sick from so the person wishing people well is unnecessary.

Except for all those people that do feel pretty s**t, or worse, probably appreciate it.

Not everyone is the selfish type you are.

Look. I get what you're saying. But you can't keep living in a gilded cage. You can't hide away from viruses forever. That's how colds and flu's take significantly longer to overcome. Because you mistrust your immune system to fight the viruses. You build up through eating right and regular excercise.

For instance, a common cold should take no more than a couple of days to get over, not a couple of weeks due to the mistrust of the immune system.

Viruses don't go away because you are afraid of them. Such is the way of life.

 

[faible]

Look. I get what you're saying. But you can't keep living in a gilded cage. You can't hide away from viruses forever. That's how colds and flu's take significantly longer to overcome. Because you mistrust your immune system to fight the viruses. You build up through eating right and regular excercise.

For instance, a common cold should take no more than a couple of days to get over, not a couple of weeks due to the mistrust of the immune system.

Viruses don't go away because you are afraid of them. Such is the way of life.

What is it you think I'm saying?

Here's the conversation chain;

I don't know you personally but my thoughts are with you and everyone that is suffering from COVID.

Are you ok?

Is wishing someone a good recovery from any illness, COVID or whatever a bad thing is it? I hope you or none of your family get a good dose of COVID.

We've all had it. So severe boredom was the worst of it. Get over it, the world has.

So you've got one person - Northalives - wishing people well, hoping no one gets a bad case of it. Then another - burge13 - being a dick and downplaying the severity of it completely despite a number of people getting genuinely sick from it even now that we're highly vaccinated and dealing with a mutated down variant.

 

[burge13]

What is it you think I'm saying?

Here's the conversation chain;









So you've got one person - Northalives - wishing people well, hoping no one gets a bad case of it. Then another - burge13 - being a dick and downplaying the severity of it completely despite a number of people getting genuinely sick from it even now that we're highly vaccinated and dealing with a mutated down variant.

Move on man. I know this is your only hobby but time to find a new one

 

[faible]

Move on man. I know this is your only hobby but time to find a new one

Hey, you're the one still running with 2020's arguments.

You lost, millions died, science triumphed.

 

[burge13]

Hey, you're the one still running with 2020's arguments.

You lost, millions died, science triumphed.

Cool. Glad it "triumphed", move on then. Find a new hobby

 

[faible]

Cool. Glad it "triumphed", move on then. Find a new hobby

You're the one still running with the 2020 argument. I just passed through to poke fun at the freethinker still trying to argue the tired old arguments.

 

[MarcMaverick]

What is it you think I'm saying?

Here's the conversation chain;









So you've got one person - Northalives - wishing people well, hoping no one gets a bad case of it. Then another - burge13 - being a dick and downplaying the severity of it completely despite a number of people getting genuinely sick from it even now that we're highly vaccinated and dealing with a mutated down variant.

I think you are saying that people who are not afraid of COVID are selfish. There are people who were compelled to put their lives on hold for the majority for the past 2 1/2 years who want to go back to doing what they were doing. Are they selfish?

There are kids who missed out on the rites of passages, that you and I were able to more-or-less have unmolested, people who missed out on milestones like birthdays, anniversaries, important medical check-ups, such as cancer's, peoples mental state who were already on the brink worsening exponentially without any respite and many more that now have those same mental problems, because people like you were afraid of COVID that compelled people to stay under covers. Who is selfish then?

People like you are still living with a fearful mindset of 2020. There're people who are looking at COVID in the rear-view mirror, people who are living or at least trying to live life. People that want to contribute to the community in some way or another.

Look, I used to be like you owen. I felt the same way. But I have found that constant fear is like a noose around your neck and that the sacntuary of home can satisfy you for only so long.

I am sure that there is something else that you are interested in.

 

[Gruffles]

I really feel like this thread has officially jumped the shark.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I really feel like this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Much like COVID really.

 

[Gruffles]

Much like COVID really.

If you say so.

Just seems like people are just trying to hunt for reasons to argue now... Purposeful twisting words, and then we get to read pages of people arguing semantics.

 

[faible]

I think you are saying that people who are not afraid of COVID are selfish

I never said that. I said burge was selfish. Very specific.

People like you are still living with a fearful mindset of 2020

Like me? I was never 'fearful' of anything. I simply understand statistics and have the ability to listen to relevant experts. COVID was serious. Millions died. Science won. Now we get to move forward once again.

I used to be like you owen

Given your posting, that's highly unlikely.

But I have found that constant fear is like a noose around your neck and that the sacntuary of home can satisfy you for only so long.

You're the one seeing oppression at every corner, mostly because like burge, you appear to be very selfish. You talk about other groups to try to hide it, but it's pretty obvious from your posting you have little care for them in reality.

Where have all the concerns for mental illness gone? All the concerns for children's rights? All the concerns for the poor people in housing commission?

All these were causes championed by the 'my freedoms' cohort that have suddenly vanished from their consciousness, because it no longer suits their self-serving goals.