Tredrea vs Kernahan

[Monkey King]

Tredrea at his peak was as good as Kernahan

Nowhere near Kernahan at his peak though. Sticks did things Tredrea simply couldn't and didn't.

Then again I didn't rate Kernahan's last few years either.

Why not? In his last few years, Sticks was a premiership captain, kicking 5 goals in a GF victory (Tredders never managed 5 goals once in 20 odd finals). Sticks played 5 finals in his last few years for a total 21 goals - pretty impressive - and 52 games for 142 goals overall @ higher than Tredders career avg.

 

[Schulzenfest]

It's a bit unfair comparing their goals scored though, isn't it? Different eras. CHF's scoring like Kernahan and others did in the 80's-90's is unheard of in the modern era.

Interested to hear what these things Tredrea couldn't do were though.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Nowhere near Kernahan at his peak though. Sticks did things Tredrea simply couldn't and didn't.

Why not? In his last few years, Sticks was a premiership captain, kicking 5 goals in a GF victory (Tredders never managed 5 goals once in 20 odd finals). Sticks played 5 finals in his last few years for a total 21 goals - pretty impressive - and 52 games for 142 goals overall @ higher than Tredders career avg.

Everyone knows it's much harder being a forward and kicking goals these days and commentators were saying kicking 75 goals these days is like kicking the hundred in past eras. It's an exercise in futility comparing goal kicking stats from the 80s and 00s. Absolutely pointless.

So what could Sticks do that Tredrea couldn't?

 

[Schulzenfest]

It's a bit unfair comparing their goals scored though, isn't it? Different eras. CHF's scoring like Kernahan and others did in the 80's-90's is unheard of in the modern era.

Interested to hear what these things Tredrea couldn't do were though.

Everyone knows it's much harder being a forward and kicking goals these days and commentators were saying kicking 75 goals these days is like kicking the hundred in past eras. It's an exercise in futility comparing goal kicking stats from the 80s and 00s. Absolutely pointless.

So what could Sticks do that Tredrea couldn't?

Snap..

 

[Monkey King]

Everyone knows it's much harder being a forward and kicking goals these days and commentators were saying kicking 75 goals these days is like kicking the hundred in past eras.

What is it with BF and missing the point? Putting up Sticks' goal tallies was not about a comparison (hence why Tredera's were tagged-on in brackets) but questioning why on earth the poster didn't rate Kernahan's last few years? Can you explain why?

It's an exercise in futility comparing goal kicking stats from the 80s and 00s. Absolutely pointless.

Tredrea's first year was Sticks' last. Not quite the time span you're suggesting.

what could Sticks do that Tredrea couldn't?

Kick 10 goals in a game.

Kick more than 5 goals in a final (Sticks did it 6 times / Tredrea never).

 

[Thrawn]

So what could Sticks do that Tredrea couldn't?

I think dominate a final is a really good one.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Kick 10 goals in a game.

Kick more than 5 goals in a final (Sticks did it 6 times / Tredrea never).

Again, different eras. How many people kick 10 goals a game or 5 goals in a final these days compared to the 80's/90's?

 

[bluepride]

Treade was a very very good players.

But surely the

He was Captain of the Carlton Team of the Century and would be up there as the best forwards the game has ever seen.

What a ****ing joke...to even have this poll.

Like comparing Greg Williams with Paul Kelly.


Im just talking skill wise....then you have as a leader and Treadea doesn't even hold a candle to Sticks in that regard.

 

[Domenic Fotia]

This poll is a joke.

Kernahan was a A+ grader. The only CHF that compares with Kernahan is Carey and even then I rate Kernahan higher.

For the record with the CHF I have seen in order;

A graders

Kernahan, Brereton, Carey, Brown, Riewoldt, T.Cloke

Next level

Maclure, D.Cloke, Merrett, Lucas, Tredrea, Schwarz (barring injury could have been higher)

 

[blues4flag]

Brown, Riewoldt and Travis Cloke are all better players than Tredrea. But again that is only an opinion.

Cloke better than Tredrea?

Can't compare him with Kernahan because I only saw his last year or two, but Tredrea gets ridiculously underrated.

Overall careers:
Riewoldt
Tredrea
Brown


Cloke

Granted Cloke is young but to list him with the above three is ridiculous. Tredrea was a 4x AA, 4x B&F (3x runner up), AFLCA POTY, twice 3rd in the AFLPA POTY. Cloke's won a B&F and nothing else as of yet.

 

[DO IT TO IT]

Tredrea, and easily.

 

[QPower]

Kernahan was a mark and kick player when footy was quite different. Tredrea was much better aerobically and below his knees also. Impossible to compare.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Obviously you did not see Kernahan play

True. But you think Travis Cloke is better than Tredrea So you obviously never saw Tredrea play and therefore you're not any more qualified to comment than I am.

And lol at using John Howard as an example of something good

 

[Monkey King]

Again, different eras. How many people kick 10 goals a game or 5 goals in a final these days compared to the 80's/90's?

These days Tredrea's peak hardly counts as "these days". If Sticks was in an entirely different era to Tredders, then surely the latter's peak is an entirely different era to today.

Sticks kicked 10 goals just two years before Tredrea debuted; he kicked 6 in a final only the season prior. Don't over-play the era card on what are valid observations.

In his premiership year and arguably best season of 2004 - we're talking just 7 years after Kernahan's retirement - Tredrea kicked 5 or more goals 6 times; in 3 finals it was a total of 6 goals. You claim the game changed that much in just 7 years, I say bullshit. You can see that just by looking at the answers of one of your above questions for each players respective premiership years.

2004 Game High Goals --------- 1995 Game High Goals

Matty Richardson 10 ------------- Stephen Kernahan 10
Fraser Gehrig 10 ------------- Saverio Rocca 10
Matthew Lloyd 9 ------------- Saverio Rocca 9
Paul Medhurst 9 ------------- Gary Ablett 9
David Neitz 9 ------------- Saverio Rocca 8
Fraser Gehrig 9 ------------- Paul Salmon 8
Nick Riewoldt 9 ------------- Gary Ablett 8

Forwards were still kicking tons when Tredrea was at his peak. Don't over play the era card. It's weak!

 

[QPower]

1. Carey
2. Tredrea
3. Dermie
4. Kernahan

 

[Monkey King]

1. Carey
2. Tredrea
3. Dermie
4. Kernahan

Hold on - I thought you just finished saying it was "impossible to compare" lol

May I ask how much of Kernahan's career you saw, how many games you attended? I put Sticks behind only Hart and Carey in CHF's I've seen over the years (and I'd pick Sticks first if heading into a final). Easily, easily a better player than Tredrea.

 

[Monkey King]

So you obviously never saw Tredrea play

That's the feeling I've got re Kernahan with 25 other posters who voted in this thread

 

[Stephen Shavedham]

Sticks by the length of Rundal Mall. Leader of men where as Tredrea had an individual side to his game, meaning, Sticks always looked out for team success.

 

[pharoah]

'Tredrea was OK' says it all. Tredrea is not 'OK'. Someone like Chris Dawes or Cameron Mooney was OK. Tredrea was arguably the best CHF since Carey. Richo would challenge him and Franklin will probably end up better than both of them, but Tredders was an absolute star. I don't know whether or not he was better than Kernahan, because Kernahan was before my time, but posts like that can't go through to the keeper without comment.

If kernahan was before your time then you should just accept it, I watched them both play, at the end of the day if an older person tells me that a player he watched has a current player covered and he barracks for neither team of each player, it is a given.

Kernahan has tredrea covered in every aspect of the game, and this need not be continuosly dredged up, the previous posts of sticks records and achievements are enough to end the debate.

 

[pharoah]

Everyone knows it's much harder being a forward and kicking goals these days and commentators were saying kicking 75 goals these days is like kicking the hundred in past eras. It's an exercise in futility comparing goal kicking stats from the 80s and 00s. Absolutely pointless.

So what could Sticks do that Tredrea couldn't?

7 goals in a losing grand final
longest serving captain in the history of afl (record afl)
1000 goals in afl, sanfl
4 premierships as captain (a sanfl, afl)
3rd most for marks in afl history
65 goals in finals, 4th overall all time
better aveage for goals in finals

shall I go on?
lol

 

[Koutou43]

This poll should have been closed as nothing more than a troll.

Kernahan is one of the all time greats.

Tredrea was a good but not great.

 

[Chism]

This poll should have been closed as nothing more than a troll.

Troll in some eyes and a discussion of 2 players in another. The people posting in it often determine the outcome of most threads and just because people differ in opinions it does not make it a troll. We try hard to allow all forms of discussion and every person on here thinks a thread is a troll when their own team is involved and hopefully common sense takes over and if not threads see closure and rule breakers with repeat offenders of inflaming rubbish posts are Infracted.

Tredrea was a great player but Sticks has him covered easily like many have mentioned but the topic is still capable of being discussed in a mature manner highlighting the strength's of both players and attributes of their game etc.

 

[Koutou43]

Troll in some eyes and a discussion of 2 players in another. The people posting in it often determine the outcome of most threads and just because people differ in opinions it does not make it a troll. We try hard to allow all forms of discussion and every person on here thinks a thread is a troll when their own team is involved and hopefully common sense takes over and if not threads see closure and rule breakers with repeat offenders of inflaming rubbish posts are Infracted.

Tredrea was a great player but Sticks has him covered easily like many have mentioned but the topic is still capable of being discussed in a mature manner highlighting the strength's of both players and attributes of their game etc.

Fair point. Can I start a poll comparing Earl Spalding to Warren Tredrea as I think this is a more reasonable comparison.

 

[Chism]

Fair point. Can I start a poll comparing Earl Spalding to Warren Tredrea as I think this is a more reasonable comparison.

You can start a Poll on whatever you want!! But don't don't get all huffy if the Poll does not go the way of your liking and abuse people whose opinions differ to your own.

 

[Oliver09]

Kernahan played to much footy at full forward to be compared to great CHFs like Carey & Tredrea. As for Tredrea being selfish his goal assist stats would be as high as Careys, Tredrea was a team player. The stat wasn't kept in Kernahans day but but I saw a lot of his career & he certainly didn't create as many goals for others as Tredrea did. He was a mark & kick player whereas Trearea was a lot more mobile despite the chronic knee injuries.

Also for such a great leader Kernahans team were major under achievers considering the talent Carlton had during his career. For them not to make the finals between 89-92 was just pathetic. Tredrea when given the chance to be captain in the absence of Primus took Port to a flag in his first year as captain. In his second stint as captain even with a bung knee they got to a GF that they should never had got to. He was a great leader, he was just a bit of a different type of bloke. Everyone loved Kernahan because he would drink 20 cans after a match & be leading the charge but obviously Tredrea was the exact opposite & that wasn't his scene.

Personally Kernahan was the better Full Forward & Tredrea the better CHF, although Tredrea would've played 95% of his career at CHF while Kernahan was 40%, maybe 50% at best CHF in is time at Carlton. I don't think his Glenelg career is relevant when comparing him to Tredrea.