TV coverage - those "in-tight" shots

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It seems to be some sort of unwritten law in coverage of our game that whenever someone has the ball, they have to be shown in close-up. In fact, you'll notice that whenever a marking contest occurs, the director will cut to the close-up shot.

Why?

The networks will tell you that the close-ups are to show the players emotions, their strain under pressure, to take you right up to the action, so you can smell the linament.

WGAF?!

When you're at the game and someone has the ball in space and is a monty to deliver by foot, where do you look? Down the ground at who is loose, who is covered and where the contest is likely to be. What does the television show us. Some bloke bouncing the ball; in tight so we don't know whether he is in danger of being caught, and so we don't know where he's going to kick it and what the advantage is of doing so.

I realise that the games are being covered for more than the fans of the competing clubs, and the networks want to package it as "entertainment", but surely the best way to cover a sport is to put up the shots that give the viewers the best chance of understanding how the game is played.

Footy is a difficult game to broadcast; compared to other football codes, whose sphere of action is always limited; compared to tennis, basketball, etc, where the entire playing area can be covered in one shot. But that's no excuse for broadcasting a view of the game that is at odds with how people actually watch the game in real life.

The only time I'm interested in a player's emotions is if they're having a shot at goal. Otherwise, I'm far too interested in my emotions to worry about what faces the players are pulling.

My wish list:

1. Stop switching between in-tight and wideshot constantly. So frustrating.

2. Lose the behind the goal shot for kick-outs. We understand zones, you don't need to show it.

3. I like the behind the kicker shot-for-goal shots. The depth perception is mitigated by the better angle. However, never, ever show a shot for goal from the behind the goals camera. Almost impossible to judge, and you can't see the goal umpire to judge from him. Shocking shot, never want to see it again.

4. At stop plays, instead the fascinating vision of a bunch of blokes standing around waiting for the bounce/throw in, or the blonde in the stands, how about some shots of how the respective forward lines are setting up?

5. Never, ever, EVER miss live action by showing a replay.

That would be my starting points to improving all network's coverages.
 
The close shots happen mainly on Ch9.

It's a deal brokered by Eddie and all the clubs. That the Guernsey sponsors be shown..because the logos are way to small to be shown on wide angle.

:p
 

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I agree with all points, DCFC. Particularly, get rid of the close-in shot. We know who's got the ball, we want to see what's happening around him.

The focus on the zone sh*ts me too. It's a particular favourite of Dermie's; will someone explain to him that it is one of the least interesting aspects of the game?
 
Originally posted by suzi_olsen
Maybe they should have a Wedgie Cam!!!!!!
Then the spectators who are watching from home can get really close to the action!!!!!!!

Actual footy without power cuts seems to be the issue with 9 at the moment. Once they get that right then perhaps they can go into 'advanced' stuff.
 
Pretty much in agreeance, DCFC, except I quite like seeing what the kicker-in has to deal with. I hadn't noticed that focussing on the player with the ball was different to the way I looked at the game when at the ground, but now you've brought it to my attention I will be frustrated by it for the rest of the year, I'm sure.

The main point of contention is friggin replays when the play has re-started. NO NO NO.
 
ohh dermatitis ****s me. The fat side, the zone, the goto man..all techie talk that ex players and coaches can only relate to.

As Peter Landy said in the doco "Heart of the game"

"All the people in the outer want to know is what the score, how many kicks so and so has got and who won the races"

Thanks to Dermatitis and that rodent Walls techie speak is now a part of the coverage.
 
The most noticable case of bad camera angles was Rocca's torp last week. They showed two shots. The first one was from the Emirates satelite which showed a tiny yellow dot moving across the ground and the second one was the down the ground and showed a slightly larger yellow dot hanging in the air.

Neither gave any idea how good the kick was and just showed a complete lack of knowledge of the game by the producer.
 
Perfect opportunity to show a split screen telecast. Main screen will show the close up of the player, with a smaller screen showing a wider shot.

Something like that anyway.
 
Originally posted by Diego
The close shots happen mainly on Ch9.

It's a deal brokered by Eddie and all the clubs. That the Guernsey sponsors be shown..because the logos are way to small to be shown on wide angle.

:p
ARGGGHHHH
CONFLIIIICCCCCTTTTT
Now he's working for all of 'em.
Where will it end!!!


DCFC, it's basically the difference between going to the match and watching it on TV. The great advantage (apart from atmosphere) in going to the match is that you can watch more than the ball. TV coverage centres on the ball and it's immdeiate viciniy. It's great to see what hapenns as the play unfolds but you just can't get that perspective on TV. Consequently they concentrate on what they can give you (and give you more than you want of it).
 
Originally posted by MarkT

ARGGGHHHH
CONFLIIIICCCCCTTTTT
Now he's working for all of 'em.
Where will it end!!!

The day he either
- quits his post as a club pres
- he quits the footy show
- quits his role in the media full stop. Simple!
 
It wont be long before we have a camera strung up on wires that will literally hover above the ground and follow the player with the ball, so that you will be able to see whats happening around his direct vicinity (tackles/sheppards/receivers), and what happening up field (leads, scragging, one-outs, flooding).

Then AFL will really become a great TV sport.

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Originally posted by Diego


The day he either
- quits his post as a club pres
- he quits the footy show
- quits his role in the media full stop. Simple!
Well it would be if there was actually a conflict in the first place rather than a percieved, potential instance wich may occur which, in some people eyes, may seem to indicate that a man serves two masters and cannot differentiate between them, even though there has never been an instance in which this has resulted in any damage to any party or compromised anyone's interests to date.

Doesn't sound so simple to me.

Jumpimg at shadows, however, is a basic human instinct. Probably first practiced by cave men at a camp fire.

My hasn't evolution done us proud.
 
Good post!

Ive said similar on a couple of threads now.

It is really annoying me - channel 9 is the worst. I agree that it shows a complete lack of football knowledge by whoever is running the show.

I have found channel 10 to be the best by a mile.

9 the most frustrating and its a shame they have the big Friday night games.

Who can we email to let em know?

And the replays over live footage! aarghhhhh!!!! How dumb can these people be? Not only that - when a player gets hit, they show the player lying down while the play continues!

We wanna watch the bloody footy! At a break in the game show us what happened.

I cant remember in the past when Ive ever been so frustrated at watching the footy on tele.
 
I agree DCFC

With regards to the tight shots of the ball carrier - Is it simply a case of Channel 9 trying to do something different to the way Channel 7 used to do it? 9 spent a bit of time before the year started talking up how 7s telecast had become dated (this is from the network that continues to pay Tony Greig and Bill Lawry to commentate cricket) so I think they are just trying too hard to make the telecast different to 7s.

7 had it right IMO - I never noticed those jarring cuts to the wide shot after the camera had lingered on the tight close up too long.
 
I think it is going to take quite a while for this lot to get it right. If it isn't one thing going or looking wrong, it is another.

Did you notice what happened last week at the Syd v Lions game? they screwed up the seperate feeds (one for the ground other for tv), and ended up merging them into one. Problem with this was that they now have cameras in the rooms. So while Voss was getting worked on in the rooms, and the viewers at home could see this, it also then went on scoreboard/video screen at the ground, and of course the opposition gets to see it all too!! I could understand coaches and staff not being too happy when something like that happens!
 
Originally posted by Rohan_
Whinge Whinge

Seems it is catching on to its supporters

That was an excellent post by DCFC - why not talk about it rather than use the standard "Hawthorn whingers" line?

BTW DCFC, I have become frustrated with this close-up obsession also. I want to see the next contest but am seeing less and less of it. And yes, behind the goal shots when a player is kicking for goal are terrible, however the behind the kick ins shot I don't mind so much, but I prefer to see these only every now and then.
 
I cannot stand the close-up shot when it is in the forward 50. You lose all perception of where they are and where the goal is.

But the one thing that really drives me nuts is when you miss play because they are showing a replay!
 
Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
It seems to be some sort of unwritten law in coverage of our game that whenever someone has the ball, they have to be shown in close-up. In fact, you'll notice that whenever a marking contest occurs, the director will cut to the close-up shot.


Yes - and i hate it as well. (as i've posted here about a gazillion times.)

BUT......if you notice lately, Ch9, rather than cutting to the marking contest just as the ball is about to hit the pack, have been cutting just AFTER the ball hits the pack.

It makes it a little easier to watch, and has actually changed my opinion on who has the best coverage.

Ch7 never did it - and Ch10 are simply copying Ch7.

Watch next time - you'll find it easier to watch.

Although i still agree with you that close ups are used far too often. Hell, i'd be happy with one camera. :) It would be nice to one day see the game on tv.....

Anyway, good post. I agree with it entirely.
 

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