Um, i dont think she is a real big fan of his....

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Carey the victim throws Kelli Stevens to wolves
By Caroline Wilson
August 7 2002

You have to wonder why Wayne Carey bothered apologising to Anthony Stevens and looking him in the eye last week given his public treatment on Monday night of his former teammate but apparently not truly close friend.

Carey looked dignified enough on Foxtel's On The Couch, but there was nothing gentlemanly in his behaviour towards Stevens and his wife, Kelli.

Although the supposedly intimate subject of where his wife, Sally, would like him to play next season remained private, clearly where the Stevens family was concerned the barriers were far flimsier.

As September approaches and with Carey still on the Kangaroos' list and still no financial settlement reached, it has always seemed vaguely possible that the win-at-all costs mentality could prevail and Carey be allowed back and persuaded to truly face his teammates again.

But if that was ever a slim chance, Carey would seem to have erased it by his performance on Foxtel. The private stuff was no one else's business but his own, except that she followed him into the bathroom. In front of everyone. He never loved her. It lasted only a month.


As 2002 has progressed, an increasing number of supposedly wise club veterans have questioned the Kangaroos' handling of the Carey affair. In their day, the argument runs, Carey would have been sent up north for a few weeks and the matter sorted out, with all lining up for the club come round one.

But, of course, there was no time to put operation damage control into place because the players involved had fixed the situation before there was a chance. Whether Carey truly believed his resignation would be accepted when the confrontation came is not known.

But no sooner had he thrown the red rag into the ring than it was made clear by Stevens and Glenn Archer that he was not welcome anyway.

And nobody challenged Stevens, although it seemed at the time that the already declining Kangaroos would be lost without their former skipper. Quite the opposite, in fact.

The players publicly backed Stevens, ferociously linking arms around the player the day the club made him captain.

That is what makes the Wayne Carey story so big in sporting terms - the fact that his betrayal was deemed unacceptable by his teammates. For him to return to the club, Stevens would have to invite him back; and any subtle pressure placed upon the new captain to do so has clearly been resisted.

And Carey still does not get it. During his public purging on the couch, he repeatedly referred to a "silly" or "stupid" mistake made by two people and, like his camp has been subtly doing all season, mercilessly threw Kelli Stevens to the wolves in the process.

In terms of the football club and the game, this was much more than a silly or stupid mistake. And it was a betrayal by one person, not two. Kelli Stevens might have been culpable in a personal sense, but not in terms of the football club.

Carey said it was not true that he was holding the Kangaroos to ransom over money owed. No one has suggested that he was, although it is telling that still no settlement has been reached.

Probably his contract was back-loaded and he is therefore claiming extra for past years. And long-service leave remains an issue.

Carey continually spread the blame by questioning the role of the news media in his downfall and adopted the ruse of his management by questioning the morals and behaviour of others.

Off-hand, not many AFL captains - or journalists for that matter - earning a reported $1 million betraying their vice-captains or close friends and club or company in the process immediately spring to mind.

Carey said his story received saturation coverage compared - at one stage - with September 11. Not true.

However, Carey did not feel strongly enough about the reporting of his story to break his contract with the Herald Sun at the time. In fact, he cooperated with an interview at the height of the frenzy.

On the face of it, Monday night was a win-win for all concerned. Certainly for the Fox Footy channel. The interview was more than thorough and most dispassionate observers, including the AFL, seem to think Carey handled himself well. The good news for all the clubs chasing him is that his playing confidence does not seem to have deserted him.

A male colleague asked yesterday what more we could have expected of Carey? Self-flagellation? No, just a greater sense of responsibility for the damage he has caused and a little less of Carey the victim.
 
No surprise there, she doesn't miss a chance to have a go at Carey does she. Good to see that she finally accepts that there was a resignation instead of a vote to get rid of Carey. I must have missed her "I was wrong" article.

Moomba
 

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This 'woman' continues to write utter drivel and I am surprised that she has any credibility left in her reputation.

I think it is time that the AFL had a magazine akin to "New Idea" where footy gossip columnists like USC can feel more at home.
 
As a woman it is embarrassing the way she reports!!! It makes it seem like women associated with a male sport can only comment on butts and gossip......
.....surely someone who leads a huge newspaper's football coverage could do better than spew out gutter trash......
......sadly the fact that she has the job suggests strongly that a lot of people enjoy this terrible tabloid rot.....
 
Originally scribbled by a disgrace to journalism
Carey said it was not true that he was holding the Kangaroos to ransom over money owed. No one has suggested that he was, although it is telling that still no settlement has been reached.
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I particularly liked this gem. Translated into human language it reads:

"Carey is whining that the media are suggesting that he is holding the club to ransom. That is ridiculous because it is patently obvious that no person in the media is suggestion that. Oh and by the way, did you notice that a settlement hasn't been reached between Carey and the club, it looks like he is holding the club to ransom"

Mommba
 
Sorry guys, for once I agree with her main point. Wayne is using the media to shift responsibility and make himself look as good as possible. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and everyone in sport, business, politics and whatever does it.

But it's also ingenuous for him to try to make the media a big part of the problem when for him - sitting on the comfy couch at Foxtel, just one of his media employers - it continues to be the solution, as he sets himself up for the future.

And I don't think you need to be a woman to feel that he's being a bit unfair basically saying that whatever he did wrong, someone else was equally to blame. He says the private side should be left private - but if we do that, he also has to stop talking about a woman whose betrayal of her husband was entirely a personal matter. He was the only one who betrayed the club who employed him and the players he led.

I've admired him as a player and cheered him for years and I'll be there with bells on when he finally gets the opportunity to say goodbye to the North supporters. But he's certainly put himself in a position where reasonable criticism is fair - and on this one occasion at least Caro is being pretty reasonable. For her.
 
she should at least be happy that carey doesnt wanna displace any of her beloved tigers if he was to end up thier,

shes always happy to talk tiger if they win,

oh the irony of it all if the tigers picked carey up:D
 
Originally posted by Hearts to hearts
Sorry guys, for once I agree with her main point. Wayne is using the media to shift responsibility and make himself look as good as possible. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and everyone in sport, business, politics and whatever does it.

I agree he is doing this and I agree that it is a reasonable thing for him to do. He has admitted responsibility for his actions on several occasions (including Monday night) and I see no need for him to continue to do so over and over again.

But it's also ingenuous for him to try to make the media a big part of the problem when for him - sitting on the comfy couch at Foxtel, just one of his media employers - it continues to be the solution, as he sets himself up for the future.

I am not sure that he has made a huge issue out of the media but there is a big difference between the type of media he is involved in and the type that would have reporters camped outside his estranged wife's parents house 24 hours a day.

And I don't think you need to be a woman to feel that he's being a bit unfair basically saying that whatever he did wrong, someone else was equally to blame. He says the private side should be left private - but if we do that, he also has to stop talking about a woman whose betrayal of her husband was entirely a personal matter. He was the only one who betrayed the club who employed him and the players he led.

I don't think it is unfair at all. Both betrayed people, both are equally to blame.

I also suspect the reason he is doing this sort of interview is to finally put an end to all the speculation. Until this interview the whole sex in the toilet thing was pretty much a given, it was the media that made it so and it's only appropriate that the same means are used to debunk the untruth. I felt a bit uneasy about the way it was done but I don't know that there is any other way to stop the rumour and innuendo which was harming both parties.

Stevo is constantly asked about Wayne, Denis is constantly asked about Wayne, perhaps this interview will finally shut everyone up about it.

I've admired him as a player and cheered him for years and I'll be there with bells on when he finally gets the opportunity to say goodbye to the North supporters. But he's certainly put himself in a position where reasonable criticism is fair - and on this one occasion at least Caro is being pretty reasonable. For her.

I think he put himself in that position six months ago, but I think it is very harsh to criticise a bloke for trying to get his life back on track as best he can. Sure he is going to use all means to restore his reputation, and you can't blame the bloke for doing so.

Many things were said in that interview and I think it appropriate that the chief football writer of the Age concentrate on the many football related issues. The fact that she didn't only confirms to me that her bitterness and dislike of Wayne Carey the person is overriding her ability to do her job well.

Moomba
 

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Ugly s-ag has tried to reinstate her incredability because her claim of a player vote is unsubstantiated . Wayne Carey has already instigated legal proceedings against her for a previous inaccurate article.

Previously she has made me angry. This article is almost laughable . Her whole argument for Carey throwing Kellie 'to the wovles" is based on semantics. Maybe she would have preferred Carey to use a language that would have made him the more calculating and blameworthy of the two by saying "I led Kellie to the toliet", rather than "she followed me to the toilet".

Alternatively he could have been coached and assisted by a learned statment like:

"I have trangressed the laws of marriage and mateship by having an an extra martial affailr with the wife of a freind and fellow clubman. I deeply regret that I deceived and betrayed my wife Sally and my freind Anthony. I am mindful of the fact that I caused heartache and pain too all of our families, including the family of Kellie Stevens.

I am also cognisant that my actions may have caused distress to the members and staff of the North Melbourne Football Club. More significantly I am sorry to the children to whom I was their hero.

It has been my perception that some persons in the media have reported a variation to the truth for the purposes of being mischevious. Other media persons have made a sincere attempt to the report the truth.

I would like to thank Sally's family and my family for their support. I am also thankful to the many freinds who were able to remain impartial and non judgemental".

Should Wayne Carey had used learned statements, he could minimised any ambiguity. However, his answers were unrehearsed and USC just could not resist the temptation. A noticable omission was Carey's thoughts on Richardson.

Once again up yours USC

hotham
 
Originally posted by Hearts to hearts
Sorry guys, for once I agree with her main point. Wayne is using the media to shift responsibility and make himself look as good as possible. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and everyone in sport, business, politics and whatever does it.

But it's also ingenuous for him to try to make the media a big part of the problem when for him - sitting on the comfy couch at Foxtel, just one of his media employers - it continues to be the solution, as he sets himself up for the future.

And I don't think you need to be a woman to feel that he's being a bit unfair basically saying that whatever he did wrong, someone else was equally to blame. He says the private side should be left private - but if we do that, he also has to stop talking about a woman whose betrayal of her husband was entirely a personal matter. He was the only one who betrayed the club who employed him and the players he led.

I've admired him as a player and cheered him for years and I'll be there with bells on when he finally gets the opportunity to say goodbye to the North supporters. But he's certainly put himself in a position where reasonable criticism is fair - and on this one occasion at least Caro is being pretty reasonable. For her.

Oh, hearts to hearts:( , wash your mouth out!!:rolleyes:

1. You agree with a bitch, someone who has always had it in for Carey. He stupid statement made on TF, that who is WC to be telling anyone what to do; a cocmment he made in reference to Richmond letting Richardson go, in order to obtain Carey. Carey felt that would "not be the best way to start at a new club"

And he was right. :eek:

2. What do you expect him to do? Sit at home and hide for the rest of his life. He has to and should earn a living, doing what he does best. He is also turning into a very good media personality. Or didn't you watch "Just Footy."

3. Oh for heaven's sake - 2 people were involved.
2 not 1. And for months, only he alone, has been made the culprit. The other party involved the wife of the current captain.;) :mad:
Oh, that's right. She is not employed by North, does not kick goals for North, is not the face of North, but she will be at every North function - as she should be.
But CAREY won't. And he should be.

4. Don't bother turning up to say goodbye to a player that has given so much to North over a very long time. When the chips were down and he needed your support, your response was "tough".
btw what is reasonable criticism?
14 pages in the HS.
Stakeouts at the home of Sally's parents.
Stakeouts at the airports
Journos catching the plane to USA.
Journos trying to get an interview, in a hotel in USA.

It is bloody amazing that Blight (remember him) Barrassi and others, have been less critical and far more supportive than some posters and most in the media. :rolleyes:
Sanctimonious idiots who are falling all over themselves to eulogise Gary Ablett. He didn't do anything wrong.:eek: Just why is he not in the "Hall of Fame"? :eek:
 
Can't believe anyone would take her articles with anymore than a grain of salt, it is and has been very obvious that in her eyes, Wayne slept with the wrong person...Caro has been dreaming about it for years, but Wayne keeps knocking her back...!!

Making comments about her articles is what she is trying to achieve, she has her nose just in front at the moment...

Stewart
 
For once I agree with her on the aspect of selling Stevo and Kelli down the tube.

Despite the sentimentality of his wrap up he was a self conceited total p**ck more keen to resurrect his career at the expense of the Anthony and Kelli, yet again. What do you think they were thinking watching it on their couch? And its 'time to move' on garbage...he again did more damage with his idiotic view of the world. (eg. re:racism-'what happens on the field stays on the field', one of his gems from a few years back.) "Silly' and 'stupid' underline the fact that he still doesn't get what he did and are words that are often used by ten year olds.

As Denis said last night it was tasteless and unnecessary, and his comments about Stevo, having met him, were spot on. We should be glad that we now have a champion captain who not only is a good bloke on the field, but off it as well; supported by the legendary Arch. I suspect that in the end from Denis's body language and tone last night, he is glad to see the back of Carey.

You can never take away the fact that Carey was a legendary player at our club and anyone who has read my posts know what I think of that side. Unfortunately, the other side is less to be desired.

Gasometer
 
I am sorry folks. It was totally unnecessary for WC to particularise what happened in the "toilet incident". He should have said - I am here to talk about football. If what he is saying is true then poor Stevo has endured enough humiliation to last him a few years - he does not have to add to this by spilling his guts in public six months after it happened. Put yourself in Stevo or Kelli's shoes

In contrast Stevo has conducted himself with dignity and endured adversity with grace - in true shinboner spirit.
 
Originally posted by Mark Perica
I am sorry folks. It was totally unnecessary for WC to particularise what happened in the "toilet incident". He should have said - I am here to talk about football. If what he is saying is true then poor Stevo has endured enough humiliation to last him a few years - he does not have to add to this by spilling his guts in public six months after it happened. Put yourself in Stevo or Kelli's shoes

I agree it was a bit distasteful but in the long run I think there was no other way to end the "sex in the toilet" jokes, questions and speculation that hardly help out the Stevens family. It has been stated before by several people including Carey and Archer that it didn't happen and it has continued to be a source of gossip and jokes. It was obviously still an issue because Carey was asked the specific question six months after it all happened. Hopefully now it will rest.

It is also possible and in my opinion likely that the interview was discussed between Carey and Stevo last week, and it could have been something that Stevo wanted to be put to rest as well.

In contrast Stevo has conducted himself with dignity and endured adversity with grace - in true shinboner spirit.

No arguments from me there.
 
Somehow, I agree with everyone.


On one hand, I am annoyed that from a supporter/player point of view, I cannot send off the most absolutely wonderful player and captain ever. I need that. He deserves it. Wayne Carey the person, I do not know and never wanted to know BUT Wayne Carey the footballer, I adored and I never confuse the two.


HOWEVER, this whole mess does involve the two Wayne Carey's and that is why I am split.

When Wayne talked of the ''incident' at the party, I wanted to hide. I couldn't watch and I felt embarrassed and I did think of Stevo with a heavy heart. It was a bitter Carey then and I am sure not his finest moment but, hey, Kelli is no shrinking violet here...but Stevo, I feel for him.


When Pagan said what he said on Talking Footy, I agred with him again 100%. He is a GOOD man, Denis, strong and honest. I am glad he is still with us.

Can I say too that I want to admit when I was wrong. I once stated I didn't think Stevo was as good a captain as Carey....I was wrong. Under different circumstances, he is every bit as good if not better. I also didn't think Stevo could win a game on his own, he can, thru his courage and the respect he holds.

Go Roos!
 
Originally posted by roobie

On one hand, I am annoyed that from a supporter/player point of view, I cannot send off the most absolutely wonderful player and captain ever. I need that. He deserves it. Wayne Carey the person, I do not know and never wanted to know BUT Wayne Carey the footballer, I adored and I never confuse the two.

I very much agree with that, but always remember that Wayne Carey the person had his good points as well as his bad points. It's too tempting to think that the people that we admire (whether they are sportsmen, musicians, actors or whatever) are either just saints or devils. I remember that whenever we defended Carey against others in regards to his earlier incidents, we would always point out the countless autographs that he signed for kids.

A few people here know that I'm very cynical when it comes to the attitude that footballers have, but compared to many other high profile footballers, Carey treated his fans with respect.

Can I say too that I want to admit when I was wrong. I once stated I didn't think Stevo was as good a captain as Carey....I was wrong. Under different circumstances, he is every bit as good if not better. I also didn't think Stevo could win a game on his own, he can, thru his courage and the respect he holds.

I don't think you're alone in being surprised at just how well Stevo has done in the job. And Arch has been brilliant in support of him.
 
Well, I am surprised, I can't believe so many here suggest USC needed to write the story and that so many agree with her dribble, but then again, I am really starting to see how fickle many so call supporters really are...

Too many people have too many opinions on too few facts, but they buy the crap constantly dished up, but then turn and say did you read all that crap...

I am not against critism of Carey, but start putting it into perspective...
He did not blow out the candle of Anthony or Kelli Stevens for his to shine brighter... He was (IMO) trying to put a close to the same old question, that I bet you probably wanted to know the answer to yourself...

Please stop being fickle supporters, just because Carey has done a wrong, don't turn your back on on of our greatest Champs of all time...

Stewart
 
My only comment on this is

"How come woman want equality (which they should and mostly do have), but yet when it comes to affairs it is always the bloke that should take 100% responsibility."
 
I'm in the cringe camp.

I have no real complaints with 'a silly mistake' line - because i don't know what he really means (but having said that i'd reckon thats what he really believes. If thats the case it understates the 'offence').

I wish he didn't say that she followed him into the toilet - he could have left it at there was no sex in there. It seems to be an attempt to throw the blame to her and it sounded tacky.

Again, having said that he's closed the matter and he shouldn't have to discuss the matter in public ever again.
 

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Um, i dont think she is a real big fan of his....

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