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thylacine60 said:
He's 17.
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And was copping abuse from when he started at 13...

Which is absolutely staggering that anyone, parent, coach, supporter, can be watching a juniors game and think it is okay to abuse anyone. Where is Al Clarkson these days?

Though the article does raise a very important issue. The abuse primarily comes from the hanger-oners, and not from the players. This is one reason why the crackdown earlier this year on dissent will have zero impact at any level, because it doesnt stop the people who have been abusing umpires for 40 years from the sidelines. It cracks down on a group that really arent that bad. Hopefully in a generation or two we might see a difference, but it will be too late for a lot of umpires who have already left the game.
 
thylacine60 said:
www.theage.com.au

Breaking point: The day abuse jolted my umpire son

It was during my teenage son’s 50th game of umpiring that his usual uninterrupted concentration was jolted.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
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“What kind of a parent am I to send my child willingly each week to a situation where on a good day there is constant verbal abuse and on a bad one, intimidation?”

It‘s crazy that that is the question that the lady who wrote the article asked herself, that she even felt the need to almost blame herself. The question should be, what sort of parent would abuse a teenager?

“he spoke of the relentless and loud questioning of his every decision by the coaches box, of being sworn at, ridiculed and accused of bias by officials, of feeling intimidated by a parent who, after the match, continued to berate his performance and demanded to know his name.”

That’s pathetic. Junior sport can be an ugly place, unfortunately.
 

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RPCB said:
“What kind of a parent am I to send my child willingly each week to a situation where on a good day there is constant verbal abuse and on a bad one, intimidation?”

It‘s crazy that that is the question that the lady who wrote the article asked herself, that she even felt the need to almost blame herself. The question should be, what sort of parent would abuse a teenager?

“he spoke of the relentless and loud questioning of his every decision by the coaches box, of being sworn at, ridiculed and accused of bias by officials, of feeling intimidated by a parent who, after the match, continued to berate his performance and demanded to know his name.”

That’s pathetic. Junior sport can be an ugly place, unfortunately.
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Why is it any more acceptable to abuse the same junior when he/she reaches adulthood? If they actually stay in the game which is unlikely.
 
thylacine60 said:
Why is it any more acceptable to abuse the same junior when he/she reaches adulthood? If they actually stay in the game which is unlikely.
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Of course you make a great point
 
JustaBattler said:
Why did Charlie go and get the ball in the first place?
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Cos it's the kinda guy he is. Not a malicious bone in his body, so he doesn't expect someone to manipulate a situation like that in the way Grimes did.

He'll learn from it.
 
OldBlueFan said:
Cos it's the kinda guy he is. Not a malicious bone in his body, so he doesn't expect someone to manipulate a situation like that in the way Grimes did.

He'll learn from it.
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Well you know what they say..."no good deed goes unpunished"
 
Blue Doormat said:
I Umpired a game on the weekend. Had a handshake from every player and thanks from coaches. It’s not all bad.

For the record I don’t think I’m very good at umpiring (I’m an amateur and do it because no one else will).

Thought a good news story was in order.
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As long as your not a cheat - that’s all we can ask, and we appreciate your efforts.

:thumbsu:
 

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FRUMPY said:
This thread is quiet this week......checks the stats.....oh I see

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We got more frees because Saints applied Richmond’s tactics ie ‘just hang on, they will only pay 10% of them’. The umps were terrible, but nobody is going to spend too much time on them when H and Charlie still managed to get 9 shots, but only kicked 3 goals.
They should have been given a lot more shots though, especially when you consider the one paid against Kemp at the other end.
 
Stamos said:
We got more frees because Saints applied Richmond’s tactics ie ‘just hang on, they will only pay 10% of them’. The umps were terrible, but nobody is going to spend too much time on them when H and Charlie still managed to get 9 shots, but only kicked 3 goals.
They should have been given a lot more shots though, especially when you consider the one paid against Kemp at the other end.
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so even when the numbers say we got the best of the umpires calls, they still have it wrong! priceless - this thread really gives me a lift - keep em coming.....
 
Stamos said:
If you're looking at the numbers to judge the umpires, you're doing it very very wrong.
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of course - only you know the way umpires should be doing it - I keep forgetting that - and guess what - every other club has a you saying exactly the same thing - so where do you reckon that puts you and your carlton umpiring bleating? in the bin I'm thinking........but please, keep em coming, most entertaining..........
 
thylacine60 said:
of course - only you know the way umpires should be doing it - I keep forgetting that - and guess what - every other club has a you saying exactly the same thing - so where do you reckon that puts you and your carlton umpiring bleating? in the bin I'm thinking........but please, keep em coming, most entertaining..........
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Every other club?
What about the Tiges? Won 3 flags over the last 5 years, the dominant team, give away way more frees than anyone else.

You have a very strange sense of entertainment. And maybe it's you who are wrong? That the umpires aren't perfect, and don't regularly put in a good performance?
 
Stamos said:
Every other club?
What about the Tiges? Won 3 flags over the last 5 years, the dominant team, give away way more frees than anyone else.

You have a very strange sense of entertainment. And maybe it's you who are wrong? That the umpires aren't perfect, and don't regularly put in a good performance?
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do you realise you just told me "the umpires aren't perfect"? I'll let that sit with you for a little while..........looks like my work is done here.......at last........
 
thylacine60 said:
do you realise you just told me "the umpires aren't perfect"? I'll let that sit with you for a little while..........looks like my work is done here.......at last........
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Nearly done.
Your work will be complete when you say that the numbers of frees are irrelevant, and that they favoured the Saints last night by not penalising their holding.
 
Stamos said:
Nearly done.
Your work will be complete when you say that the numbers of frees are irrelevant, and that they favoured the Saints last night by not penalising their holding.
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But they didn't think they were holding? You did. Can you guess the difference? I'll help you. You have no say in it other than a tiny whine amongst all the others. No effect, no relevance, no influence. Just the same pointless complaining, over and over, week after week. And another point? It's never going to change. I don't know what it will take for you to ultimately get that.
 
thylacine60 said:
But they didn't think they were holding? You did. Can you guess the difference? I'll help you. You have no say in it other than a tiny whine amongst all the others. No effect, no relevance, no influence. Just the same pointless complaining, over and over, week after week. And another point? It's never going to change. I don't know what it will take for you to ultimately get that.
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You're posting in a thread where it is the very point? If you think it's pointless, why don't you just ignore the thread?
 
Like always, my question would be, if those free kicks (which happened in the same chain of play) was not paid against Collins (4 Pie players around him when the ball spilt free, so likely one of them would gain possession) and the one to Miller being paid, how would they have changed the outcome of the game
 

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