Umpiring Umpiring Crows v Demons Round 10

[Geoffa32]

We lost the Hawks game when Himnelberg got called for front on contact after he kicked the match winner. It was a perfect spoil and follow up.


Swings and roundabouts.


There was enough doubt with Spargo spoiling it for the umpire not to call it.



Having said that, my earlier point about umpires not being good enough across the league stands.

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[markm106]

You’re wrong. Look at the video. Spargo clearly deflected it which is why he didn’t complain

TBH I don’t think it’s clearly touched. I don’t even think the umpire said that after he called OOB.

 

[dogs105]

TBH I don’t think it’s clearly touched. I don’t even think the umpire said that after he called OOB.

Look for Spargo pulling his hand away as the ball flicks it. Makes it easy to spot the instant it was touched.

 

[DrPowellPepper]

Everytime we tackled in the first three quarters Melwood players either ducked and won a free or threw the ball without penalty. Meanwhile the freekick count at half time was 20-12 in favour of Melb.

I find it funny Adelaide supporters think they deserved better than 20-12?
Smashed in the clearances, contested ball and tackles. Yet u feel hard done by. We lost the free kick count to Carlton Ill tell
U why because we were second to the ball at the clearances.

Hard done by yet you managed to get 3 goals directly from free kicks in the first 3 quarters two of them 50/50 melbourne players out marked their opponent, happy the Hibberd free a clear hold.

I don’t remember us getting paid a holding the ball decision until the final quarter and we had by far more tackles. How can you explain that ? Adelaide must have disposed it legally every time or our tackles weren’t as good I guess ? Open your eyes it’s bad both ways

I thought spargo ducked fair enough another one I can’t remember who it was Oliver ? duck fair enough. Harmes had his head ripped of by a bad tackle coming from side/behind he was trying to evade the tackle very different to the others where the player drives their head at the person coming in to tackle . Jetta had his head ripped of in the last qrt also umpire was happy to let it go

 

[thedank]

Does spargo actually touch the ball there? Looks close but the ball doesn't clearly change direction for mine, and a player being under pressure is no excuse for deliberate, at least it hadnt been all game prior

 

[WetCrow1991]

I find it funny Adelaide supporters think they deserved better than 20-12?
Smashed in the clearances, contested ball and tackles. Yet u feel hard done by. We lost the free kick count to Carlton Ill tell
U why because we were second to the ball at the clearances.

Hard done by yet you managed to get 3 goals directly from free kicks in the first 3 quarters two of them 50/50 melbourne players out marked their opponent, happy the Hibberd free a clear hold.

I don’t remember us getting paid a holding the ball decision until the final quarter and we had by far more tackles. How can you explain that ? Adelaide must have disposed it legally every time or our tackles weren’t as good I guess ? Open your eyes it’s bad both ways

I thought spargo ducked fair enough another one I can’t remember who it was Oliver ? duck fair enough. Harmes had his head ripped of by a bad tackle coming from side/behind he was trying to evade the tackle very different to the others where the player drives their head at the person coming in to tackle . Jetta had his head ripped of in the last qrt also umpire was happy to let it go

96-95

 

[HairyO]

TBH I don’t think it’s clearly touched. I don’t even think the umpire said that after he called OOB.

Look at the ball. The spin changes in the air. That happened because of the contact.

 

[ant22]

Does spargo actually touch the ball there? Looks close but the ball doesn't clearly change direction for mine, and a player being under pressure is no excuse for deliberate, at least it hadnt been all game prior

As an unbiased watcher I thought it was the worst non-decision of all time when I saw it. Watching the footage this morning it definitely looks touched last by Spargo and the umpire was watching from a similar angle to the footage so in my mind its gone from one of the worst (non-decisions) of all time to a very good umpiring decision.

Just goes to show how hard the game is to umpire. Depending on where you watch from we can view things very differently. At home we have the benefit of replays, lots of angles and no pressure and yet we still all see things differently. These guys have a split second to make a decision from where they are located(often obstructed) and under massive pressure. I think there is a lesson in this for everyone!

 

[CrowFan77]

I find it funny Adelaide supporters think they deserved better than 20-12?

I find it funny Melb had more frees in a half (20) than they average per game (18.4) and STILL think they were hard done by

Smashed in the clearances, contested ball and tackles. Yet u feel hard done by.

If we were smashed that badly and frees where 20-12 against us - how were scores level at half time?

Hard done by yet you managed to get 3 goals directly from free kicks in the first 3 quarters two of them 50/50 melbourne players out marked their opponent

The free against TraitorLever was clearly there on the replay.

I don’t remember us getting paid a holding the ball decision until the final quarter

How could you get HTBs when you were smashing us at clearances? The fact that you had more tackles contradicts your assertion that you smashed us at clearances.

Harmes had his head ripped of by a bad tackle

Harmes is a serial ducker - second only to the great Jelwood!

Jetta had his head ripped of

Jetta played?

 

[DrPowellPepper]

96-95

Great post... I’ve acknowledged the win thought it was a great performance from Adelaide. Maybe try a little harder if u want to be taken seriously

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

As an unbiased watcher I thought it was the worst non-decision of all time when I saw it. Watching the footage this morning it definitely looks touched last by Spargo and the umpire was watching from a similar angle to the footage so in my mind its gone from one of the worst (non-decisions) of all time to a very good umpiring decision.

Just goes to show how hard the game is to umpire. Depending on where you watch from we can view things very differently. At home we have the benefit of replays, lots of angles and no pressure and yet we still all see things differently. These guys have a split second to make a decision from where they are located(often obstructed) and under massive pressure. I think there is a lesson in this for everyone!

Good call. It’s now gone from an absolute howler to 50:50 at best. Some of the nuffies in the media being outraged need to tone it down a peg and acknowledge the ump did well.

 

[DrPowellPepper]

Good call. It’s now gone from an absolute howler to 50:50 at best. Some of the nuffies in the media being outraged need to tone it down a peg and acknowledge the ump did well.

Disagree the issue isn’t if he made the correct call based on it brushing the player arm or not the precedent was set earlier in the game.
The issue is the umpire has no hesitation to pay lever one ( I think was fair call)
The spargo one when he soccered it in his own forward half accidentally. But then the game is on the line he gets gun shy to blow the whistle. If ur gonna pay the earlier two then the one in the dying minutes has to be paid i don’t care if it brushed spargos arm hairs. U didn’t give benefit of doubt to spargo why to Murray?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Disagree the issue isn’t if he made the correct call based on it brushing the player arm or not the precedent was set earlier in the game.
The issue is the umpire has no hesitation to pay lever one ( I think was fair call)
The spargo one when he soccered it in his own forward half accidentally. But then the game is on the line he gets gun shy to blow the whistle. If ur gonna pay the earlier two then the one in the dying minutes has to be paid i don’t care if it brushed spargos arm hairs. U didn’t give benefit of doubt to spargo why to Murray?

Because the umpire may have thought the ball only went out because it deflected off Spargo. That’s the issue. And it may still be the wrong call but the video now shows it’s not a matter of an umpire bottling it on a clear 10m handball oob.

 

[DrPowellPepper]

Because the umpire may have thought the ball only went out because it deflected off Spargo. That’s the issue. And it may still be the wrong call but the video now shows it’s not a matter of an umpire bottling it on a clear 10m handball oob.

Again so he’s shown leniency in this situation but not the Spargo one ...

 

[Apsaalooke]

TBH I don’t think it’s clearly touched. I don’t even think the umpire said that after he called OOB.

Even if we disagree about the touch, players now appeal for even dubious DOOB's all the time. It's inconceivable the Spargo didn't unless he knew he touched it, as did none of his surrounding teammates except for a brief mild appeal by Jackson who was on the wrong side.

And umpires don't have to say anything about their decisions and usually don't.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Disagree the issue isn’t if he made the correct call based on it brushing the player arm or not the precedent was set earlier in the game.
The issue is the umpire has no hesitation to pay lever one ( I think was fair call)
The spargo one when he soccered it in his own forward half accidentally. But then the game is on the line he gets gun shy to blow the whistle. If ur gonna pay the earlier two then the one in the dying minutes has to be paid i don’t care if it brushed spargos arm hairs. U didn’t give benefit of doubt to spargo why to Murray?

Murray tried to hball sideways to Doedee but the ball went straight ahead. That's some pretty stiff arm hairs to deflect it 90 degrees.

 

[BarneyBent]

Again so he’s shown leniency in this situation but not the Spargo one ...

That's not leniency though. If Spargo touched it, it doesn't matter what the intent was, it's simply not eligible for deliberate. That's not being lenient, deliberate is just taken completely off the table. The umpire being strict on intent has no bearing on the call if he thinks Spargo touched it because intent no longer matters.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Do you think the deliberate call was correct or not? Regardless of team affliction

Obvious poor decision making by umpires.

Crows fans claiming:
- Spargo touched the handball from Murray; or
- The handball from Murray was a "skill error" to Doedee

are just trying to wind up Demons supporters.

The other angle clearly shows it deflecting off Spargo's hand. Correct decision.

 

[ant22]

Disagree the issue isn’t if he made the correct call based on it brushing the player arm or not the precedent was set earlier in the game.
The issue is the umpire has no hesitation to pay lever one ( I think was fair call)
The spargo one when he soccered it in his own forward half accidentally. But then the game is on the line he gets gun shy to blow the whistle. If ur gonna pay the earlier two then the one in the dying minutes has to be paid i don’t care if it brushed spargos arm hairs. U didn’t give benefit of doubt to spargo why to Murray?

I'm simply commenting on this decision which many have called the worst non call on deliberate Out of bounds in history. If the umpire believed it deflected off Sprago (I personally think it did) then he simply cannot pay it. Its not eligible to be paid. IMO each decision based be judge on its own merit. IF they got others wrong stiff Sh!t, it does not mean he should pay out off bounds for this one. As I said I am complete neutral, I am no fan of the crows but in this particular decision I believe the ump got it right.

 

[DrPowellPepper]

That's not leniency though. If Spargo touched it, it doesn't matter what the intent was, it's simply not eligible for deliberate. That's not being lenient, deliberate is just taken completely off the table. The umpire being strict on intent has no bearing on the call if he thinks Spargo touched it because intent no longer matters.

Yes it is ! Even the side on vision is hardly conclusive so the umpire has decided to give the crows player benefit of the doubt. Have u seen the one paid against spargo? If so don’t comment
The umpire has no idea if Spargo touched it or not if he did he’s guessing.

 

[DrPowellPepper]

I'm simply commenting on this decision which many have called the worst non call on deliberate Out of bounds in history. If the umpire believed it deflected off Sprago (I personally think it did) then he simply cannot pay it. Its not eligible to be paid. IMO each decision based be judge on its own merit. IF they got others wrong stiff Sh!t, it does not mean he should pay out off bounds for this one. As I said I am complete neutral, I am no fan of the crows but in this particular decision I believe the ump got it right.

I get your point and it’s somewhat valid I just can’t fathom how they can be red hot and then all of a sudden decide this one wasn’t a free.
Are you sure if it deflects of spargo it can’t be paid ? I’m not sure if the intent is to get it OOB I believe it should be paid deflection or not . Happy to be shown otherwise if written in laws of the game

 

[CrowFan77]

Yes it is ! Even the side on vision is hardly conclusive so the umpire has decided to give the crows player benefit of the doubt. Have u seen the one paid against spargo? If so don’t comment
The umpire has no idea if Spargo touched it or not if he did he’s guessing.

So your saying the slow motion footage is inconclusive but the umpire (who only saw it at full speed) still got it wrong?

 

[Underarm]

Are you sure if it deflects of spargo it can’t be paid ? I’m not sure if the intent is to get it OOB I believe it should be paid deflection or not . Happy to be shown otherwise if written in laws of the game

Deliberate out of bounds - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Rule is pretty clear that the question on whether it's a free kick is against the player who forces it out, which in this case would be Spargo.

 

[DrPowellPepper]

Deliberate out of bounds - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Rule is pretty clear that the question on whether it's a free kick is against the player who forces it out, which in this case would be Spargo.

So Spargo forced it out?
Lol deluded

 

[Antzzz]

sh*t calls are never going to stop, and us supporters are never going to stop complaining about them, so I think the simplest fix for this would be to give each team captain one challenge each game for a review.

Oh **** noooo... we do not need captains challenging calls... utter madness ... the game has had to many changes as it is ... this game is stuffed if that is ever brought in to the game