US Election

[119others]

LOL

who is that directed at Bicks?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Tariffs of 20-60%. What do you expect the impact to be on US inflation, unemployment, GDP levels and global trading partners propensity to bring in retaliatory tariffs which has been the historical norm in most instances. Any concerns or good policy?

No doubt there will be blowback, and the legacy media will scream about (mostly fake and/or short term) consequences for regular Americans, but what is the long-term alternative?

If the US fails any longer to establish economic and ideological dominance over its enemies the next step will be having to assert military dominance.

Does anyone want that?

Didn’t think so.

- Getting rid of illegal immigrants already in the US - estimates of anything from $100b to round up 1m people to costing 800b+++ to get everyone out. Social issues and bloodshed. What impact on the economy if you take out millions of low paid workers from the employment pool doing the jobs many US citizens dont want to do? Likely to cause supply of labour shortages? Likely to see cost of labour increasing?

As Homan said recently, what price do you put on national and border security?

What the Brandon Administration has done over the last four years at the border is possibly the most cynical, treasonous betrayal of the American people in the history of the US Government.

They flooded the country ON PURPOSE with the intent of significantly changing the voting demographics of an entire nation, knowing that any children of these illegals would be birthright citizens.

Yes, it really is that cynical. You are an idiot if you believe otherwise. There is no other reason you would set out to destroy your own country like that.

And you cannot have a functioning country with people in charge who would do this. It is non-negotiable.

If you are worried about how much it will cost to deport millions of undocumented people who are in the country illegally, then don’t ever again vote for the party who opened the floodgates.

 

[rocket18]

For everyone's sake, don't go looking for him. Just let him walk.

Hope there are no cannibals there. May end up like his uncle.

They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, they're eating the Bidens.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I don’t like the guy but he’s been on the money with a lot of his takes lately

 

[Mutineer]

You know who else was constantly referring to and accusing others of racism as much as you? The ABC.

Search results for query: racist, racism

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Slippery Pete]

Two weeks folks. Two weeks later. Still counting.

 

[Slippery Pete]

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I don’t like the guy but he’s been on the money with a lot of his takes lately

I haven't heard any feedback from the Trump administration if they are OK or against this.
It might improve Ukraine's bargaining position if successful or may lead to an escalation in the war.

 

[kirky]

Two weeks folks. Two weeks later. Still counting.

So this media goose isn’t concerned with the other uncalled races in Iowa, Alaska and Ohio - all Republican states by the way. Or does it only go one way. Seriously, talk about being brain dead.

Methinks they protest too much.

 

[119others]

No doubt there will be blowback, and the legacy media will scream about (mostly fake and/or short term) consequences for regular Americans, but what is the long-term alternative?

If the US fails any longer to establish economic and ideological dominance over its enemies the next step will be having to assert military dominance.

Does anyone want that?

Didn’t think so.



As Homan said recently, what price do you put on national and border security?

What the Brandon Administration has done over the last four years at the border is possibly the most cynical, treasonous betrayal of the American people in the history of the US Government.

They flooded the country ON PURPOSE with the intent of significantly changing the voting demographics of an entire nation, knowing that any children of these illegals would be birthright citizens.

Yes, it really is that cynical. You are an idiot if you believe otherwise. There is no other reason you would set out to destroy your own country like that.

And you cannot have a functioning country with people in charge who would do this. It is non-negotiable.

If you are worried about how much it will cost to deport millions of undocumented people who are in the country illegally, then don’t ever again vote for the party who opened the floodgates.

Ok thanks Pete for engaging with me intelligently - appreciated mate.

Re tariffs once in they become hard to drop historically (Biden kept in Trumps limited previous tariffs from my understanding). The real issue though is with the following likely increased cost of living AND doing business through tariffs (which normally also increases interest rates and lowers GDP) combined with expected retaliatory tariffs from everyone from China (I phones costing 60% more in Shanghai = lower sales of I phones and more of the major Chinese brand in the Chinese market as one simple example) AND probably EU also. I actually don’t understand how this creates economic dominance? How so? China is the worlds factory and in a high tariff world much easier swaps from imported goods to Chinese made goods. The US does not have anywhere near the manufacturing capability (let alone workers at low wages) to compete here. Long term with high tariffs in both countries I actually see the exact opposite happening where China can deal with it better internally (but will certainly see their exports smashed).

Would appreciate understanding what I am missing here and how it creates the economic dominance. I agree with you clearly we don’t want the US to resort to military dominance but even that advantage is being eroded away from my limited understanding with China and Russias supersonic missiles that the US can’t shoot down.

Re cultural and political also, if Trump pulls out of NATO as threatened previously, or defunds Ukraine (where EU is paying much more than US based on articles I have read but contrary to what Trump has claimed) clearly they are going it alone globally. They have lost their closest cultural, political and military ties in the 27 state EU bloc. Is that wise? Having no friends on a global scale, instead of being the leader of the pack of a big gang at the moment, how does that actually work in the US interests long term?

Long answer so will respond to other stuff on another message a little later

Cheers

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Mutineer]

No wonder the Dems don't want this bloke.

 

[1970crow]

You know who keeps defending racists on this board.

Other racists.

there is really nothing to debate

Trump won on every measure, I hope he puts through every single policy he said he would.

But leave me out of this thread.

You know who else is absorbed by other people’s racism? The ABC.

 

[1970crow]

Search results for query: racist, racism

www.bigfooty.com

I think someone might be projecting just a little bit. Nobody is that obsessed unless they’re in the closet on the issue

 

[Crow till I die]

If you just openly lie every day for years, eventually when people start to use other sources of news or even more pointedly, feel the impacts of a failed regime every day they go to the shop or walk down the street and can see the lies for what they are, they turn off. Funniest bit is from a look on the TDS thread, they are still swallowing lie after lie and parroting it - its like these people learn nothing and are incapable of self reflection..But we need people to mock or it would get boring.

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Crow till I die]

commies....

 

[Slippery Pete]

commies....

Banning shit is all they know to to do

 

[spenze]

 

[Eagleboy2011]

No wonder the Dems don't want this bloke.

Shoe on the other foot.
Fun Fact.
No matter how unsuitable the nominee was, If Democrats had 53 Senators, and a Democrat won the Presidential race in a historic landslide - every single cabinet pick would sail through confirmation with 53 votes.

Many picks like that already. LeVine, Buttigieg, Mayorkas, Becerra plus many more unsuitable picks passed by Kamala vote.
Plus picking a totally radical Judge who doesn't know what a woman is, for Scotus in Jackson.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Would appreciate understanding what I am missing here and how it creates the economic dominance.

Essentially you want to put tariffs on stuff you make, and not on stuff you don’t make.

European countries & Japan etc tariff the absolute shit out of the US auto industry, as an example.

So you can be strategic about where you put them, and use it as a bargaining chip.

I agree with you that you can’t just go in and slap them on everything, but using some economic leverage to protect American workers and American industries is a good thing.

Long answer so will respond to other stuff on another message a little later

Looking forward to your response on the border security issue.

 

[Crow till I die]

Shoe on the other foot.
Fun Fact.
No matter how unsuitable the nominee was, If Democrats had 53 Senators, and a Democrat won the Presidential race in a historic landslide - every single cabinet pick would sail through confirmation with 53 votes.

Many picks like that already. LeVine, Buttigieg, Mayorkas, Becerra plus many more unsuitable picks passed by Kamala vote.
Plus picking a totally radical Judge who doesn't know what a woman is, for Scotus in Jackson.

This is what shits me with republicans - they get this urge to feel like the need to be nice, play by the rules the Democrats broke years ago. F**K them - ram the appointments through, use recess appointments to sideline the RINO's and the Democrats and then get about enacting policy the people voted for.

 

[ADL9798]

The thing about being a bunch of solipsistic losers — as you all are over there — is that none of you can conceive of something being bad unless it happens to you personally.

Haha. The irony of you of all people calling others out for lacking empathy.

That’s why all of you hyper-feminine passive-aggressive pricks have been laughably wrong with every single one of your prognostications.

It’s why you’re all over there completely dumbfounded by the results. “oRaNgE mAn aGaIN OMFG tOo mAnY uNeDuCaTeD vOtErS!”

You’re totally out of touch with how normal, regular people think.

Why are you waiting to see what a “shit show” looks like? If you really want to know you can just ask these people:

• Laken Riley’s parents.
• The Gold Star families of the 13 troops who died needlessly as a result Biden’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.
• Working and middle class people who can’t afford groceries or gas.
• People in foreign countries who’ve had their lives torn apart by two endless US-funded proxy wars.
• People who were routinely abused by their government during Covid, lost their businesses and livelihoods, saw their children harmed by anti-science school closures, didn’t get to say goodbye to dying loved ones.
• People who are Covid vaccine-injured after being mandated to take it and now can’t get compensation.
• People who no longer have trust in their nation’s institutions, medical or otherwise, because of the rampant corruption and abuse of power.

Did the trend for increasing socioeconomic disadvantage, inequality and illegal immigration only become a thing under Biden? You're really going to sit there and argue that Republicans had nothing to do with any of this? Are you that naive? Or is it dishonesty?

In reality the majority of these issues are of course many years and governments in the making (with responsibility sitting with both Democrats and Republicans). A bit like the abject failure of successive Australian governments to solve the housing crisis - the biggest policy issue of our time. In my view both Labor and Liberals are equally impotent and at fault for f***ing this up.

How about your favourite subject - who was US President when Operation Warp Speed (COVID vaccine rollout) was initiated and delivered? Who was US President when most of the COVID lockdowns were in place? Or were these things only a problem in your eyes when a Democrat was running the show?

Btw, are you ever going to address that Covid report that reveals the extent to which Australians were abused by, and no longer trust, their governments, leaders and medical institutions?

I won’t hold my breath.

I haven't commented because it's an 800+ page report which I've only skimmed over and I'm not a hack like some of our resident posters who regurgitate tweets and headlines from articles they haven't even read.

From first glance, I like the practical recommendations they've come up with.

Having presumably read it cover to cover was there any specific section that took your fancy?

I assume you saw the key takeaway from the Foreword?

“Overall, we believe that people should be proud of what we achieved during the pandemic. Despite the relative immaturity of our plans and supporting governance structures, Australia had lesser health and economic impacts in the pandemic than most other countries around the world”

..while also correctly highlighting that there were also a lot of things that could have been done better. Uncontroversial.

Some of the findings that caught my eye:

• I've said countless times while there was a brief window when vaccines were actually preventing transmission in late 2021, vaccine mandates and other restrictions should have been lifted much much faster than they were. One of the few things we might actually agree on? The report covers this on page 211-212.

• "By holding back widespread community transmission until the vast majority of the adult population had some immunity through vaccination, far fewer Australians experienced severe COVID-19 than would have otherwise been the case. As a result, thousands fewer Australians died from COVID-19... However, there is also a view that restrictive measures were kept in place for too long, and the broader individual, social and economic impacts came to outweigh the COVID-19 public health benefit."​

  
  

  "Vaccine mandates were particularly controversial. The mandates were associated with point-in-time upticks in vaccination and were justified in critical care settings, but they helped drive vaccine scepticism and hesitancy when used more generally and contributed to frontline workforce shortfalls in areas that could least afford this at the time of opening up. These issues persist to this day, with troubling declines in vaccination for COVID-19 and other diseases across multiple population groups, including children missing out on routine childhood vaccinations."​

• There's no easy solution to the problem of rebuilding trust in government but the report gives a few sensible recommendations. I like the one about decision-making processes being (a) more responsive to changing level and nature of risk and (b) transparent. That’s true for any emergency. Be up front about how strong the evidence is behind any decision, but also recognise that in a crisis we don't want our leaders to be paralysed by inaction in those situations waiting months for data to come in. You don't wait for the flood waters to be above the roof line or the tanks to be rolling over the border before you evacuate the residents.
• I also liked the recommendations around economic stimulus. This is the sort of thing governments really should have a pre-prepared play book for in future with clear triggers that if x happens, governments should distribute $y through these mechanisms to these people/businesses, etc. At the time, money was just rushed out the door in the interests of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Barely scratching the surface with this though obviously.