NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

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Dems made exactly the same mistakes that got Trump voted in the first time.

Just wondering from a personal perspective, have you learned anything for this result?
I predicted a Trump win, based mostly off decades of the US deliberately eroding the education system.
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The Dems absolutely had a poor campaign and poor messaging in the swing states but this may come as a surprise - I'm not an US based campaign director with scope to change the US campaign process, but an Australian citizen and resident.
 
I predicted a Trump win, based mostly off decades of the US deliberately eroding the education system.
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The Dems absolutely had a poor campaign and poor messaging in the swing states but this may come as a surprise - I'm not an US based campaign director with scope to change the US campaign process, but an Australian citizen and resident.
Schools and colleges have been left leaning for decades.

Its good to find a left leaning person admitting they failed children. Hopefully its uphill from here.
 

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Schools and colleges have been left leaning for decades.

Its good to find a left leaning person admitting they failed children. Hopefully its uphill from here.
Not really. Modern conservatism has embraced ignorance (and turbocharged it since the Dubya / Palin era) so anything based on fact and education now 'appears' left simply because of that drift.

It's the Brexit / NHS lie all over again.

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Not really. Modern conservatism has embraced ignorance (and turbocharged it since the Dubya / Palin era) so anything based on fact and education now 'appears' left simply because of that drift.

It's the Brexit / NHS lie all over again.

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I hear what my children learn at school from their own mouths and outside of maths and sciences where there is a definitive answer, it is all just opnion and usually ideology based.

This is a very random question but underneath the Trump hate you come across as a very reasoned person and Im just after varied opinion.

Would you say Polly Farmer is a black man or a white man?
 
I hear what my children learn at school from their own mouths and outside of maths and sciences where there is a definitive answer, it is all just opnion and usually ideology based.

This is a very random question but underneath the Trump hate you come across as a very reasoned person and Im just after varied opinion.

Would you say Polly Farmer is a black man or a white man?
There are a myriad of studies that show how US kids fare vs their counterparts overseas, and it's not great reading.3

The measures tend to use maths and science as primary indicators - although the results may be skewed a little by bible belt states, some of whom legislate that creationism must be taught alongside science. It's a longer term trend that will hurt the US on an ongoing basis and I sincerely hope Australia doesn't follow the same path of gutting education.

Polly Farmer, as I understand it, was proud of his Noongar heritage but I'm certainly no expert on the identity of past players. One of the games greatest for sure though - not sure of the relevance here.
 
Started eating their own...

"Speaking to the New York Times Friday, Pelosi complained: “Had the president gotten out sooner, there may have been other candidates in the race.”
Acknowledging the bleedin' obvious is eating their own?

Surprised she hasn't gone harder, think she was one of the driving forces behind getting Biden to drop out when he did from memory.
 
I hear what my children learn at school from their own mouths and outside of maths and sciences where there is a definitive answer, it is all just opnion and usually ideology based.
Here's the thing - this 'wokeism', what it is at its very heart is the idea that nobody deserves mistreatment because of the shade of their skin, who they sleep with or who they wish to be gender-wise. Social inclusion means everybody deserves a fair go and a chance to pursue their own happiness and contentment in this society of ours.

Everybody.

That's wokeism at its heart. Now what is 'evil' about that? What is 'wrong' with social inclusion?
 
Here's the thing - this 'wokeism', what it is at its very heart is the idea that nobody deserves mistreatment because of the shade of their skin, who they sleep with or who they wish to be gender-wise. Social inclusion means everybody deserves a fair go and a chance to pursue their own happiness and contentment in this society of ours.

Everybody.

That's wokeism at its heart. Now what is 'evil' about that? What is 'wrong' with social inclusion?
As a middle-aged cis white male, everything.
 

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Here's the thing - this 'wokeism', what it is at its very heart is the idea that nobody deserves mistreatment because of the shade of their skin, who they sleep with or who they wish to be gender-wise. Social inclusion means everybody deserves a fair go and a chance to pursue their own happiness and contentment in this society of ours.

Everybody.

That's wokeism at its heart. Now what is 'evil' about that? What is 'wrong' with social inclusion?
That's actually the exact opposite of what wokeism is.

Wokeism is - because of your skin, because of your gender, because of your sexual orientation you should be treated a certain way.
 
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What are the current Pres and VP doing about Hitler that just got elected? Surely they weren't just stoking fear. Surely they have to do whatever it takes to stop Hitler being in charge of the USA. They do not have a choice.
 
That's actually the exact opposite of what wokeism is.

Wokeism is - because of your skin, because of your gender, because of your sexual orientation you should be treated a certain way.
Treated a certain way, yes. That certain way is to be treated like everyone else!
 
Treated a certain way, yes. That certain way is to be treated like everyone else!
So you think getting employed when you're not qualified, or playing sports in a sex that you're not, or being able to walk naked around children - that's being treated like everyone else? We all do that do we?

Maybe you.
 
So you think getting employed when you're not qualified, or playing sports in a sex that you're not, or being able to walk naked around children - that's being treated like everyone else? We all do that do we?

Maybe you.
Fairness in sport is still a question that needs an answer, for sure. Getting employed when you're not qualified - are you talking about affirmative action?

While unfair in the immediate sense (candidate from an ethnic minority or underrepresented gender is chosen despite not ticking all the boxes required for employment) the express purpose of affirmative action is to normalise these underrepresented demographics in employment fields to the point where members of those groups will feel confident going for those jobs as normal.

At which point affirmative action will no longer be needed.

Being able to walk naked around children - besides at nudist/naturist clubs where does this happen? Nude beaches?
 
Fairness in sport is still a question that needs an answer, for sure. Getting employed when you're not qualified - are you talking about affirmative action?

While unfair in the immediate sense (candidate from an ethnic minority or underrepresented gender is chosen despite not ticking all the boxes required for employment) the express purpose of affirmative action is to normalise these underrepresented demographics in employment fields to the point where members of those groups will feel confident going for those jobs as normal.

At which point affirmative action will no longer be needed.

Being able to walk naked around children - besides at nudist/naturist clubs where does this happen? Nude beaches?

Thank you for agreeing with me that wokeism is designed to generate inequitable results. I hope you can see now why it is wrong.

As for the last point, check out your average LGBT parade from mega left places in the US like New York and Seattle.
 
Thank you for agreeing with me that wokeism is designed to generate inequitable results. I hope you can see now why it is wrong.

As for the last point, check out your average LGBT parade from mega left places in the US like New York and Seattle.
Affirmative action makes no bones about what its reason for being is. It was always only going to be a temporary measure. Fairness in sports - the reason for allowing transgender athletes to compete is to measure the results and find out if they do have an unfair advantage. Results from competitors going head-to-head will never be known unless they are tested.

With the last point, I googled the situation in Seattle;

June 28, 2023

...According to local NPR affiliate KUOW, it is legal to be nude anywhere within Seattle—though there are limits to this freedom, and nudists tend to congregate in known spots.

It reported that the city had outlawed public nudity in the 1980s, until a court case over two nudists who had been arrested led a judge to rule that the local law violated their First Amendment rights. The measure was repealed four years later.

Indecent exposure is still prohibited, however Seattle's municipal code stipulates that the prosecution must prove the person knew that their conduct was "likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm."

"If you live in Seattle and don't want your children exposed to the genitalia of adults, don't take them to the Pride parade. Simple," one Twitter user wrote. "If the law in your city allows public nudity, move."

Another wrote: "Straight people bike naked in Seattle and no one says a word until it happens at Pride."

Fewer than two weeks ago, naked people cycled through the city—many covered in body paint—as part of an annual summer solstice parade. Images of the parade from 2011 appear to show children watching.

A Seattle Police Department spokesperson said that "reasonable minds can easily differ as to whether general nudity in the context of a parade where such activity is often part and parcel of the parade's overall draw (as in, for example, the Fremont Solstice Parade with its long and well-publicized history of nude bicyclists) is 'obscene' or 'likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm' to the audience gathered."

They added: "The role of the Seattle Police Department at this particular event was to assure the safety and security of the overall event—not to regulate activities that are better left to parade organizers and the permit process."

Newsweek approached Seattle Pride via email for comment on Wednesday.

See, my reasonable mind would consider context in cases of nudity. Is all nudity sexualised? No. Pride events are all about sexuality, so would nudity at Pride events be sexualised? Depends. Are they riding dildos? What is the nudity all about?

Context is key.
 
Here's the thing - this 'wokeism', what it is at its very heart is the idea that nobody deserves mistreatment because of the shade of their skin, who they sleep with or who they wish to be gender-wise. Social inclusion means everybody deserves a fair go and a chance to pursue their own happiness and contentment in this society of ours.

Everybody.

That's wokeism at its heart. Now what is 'evil' about that? What is 'wrong' with social inclusion?

Except these kind of people you are describing are the biggest campaigners when it comes to attacking people who don't share their views.

They don't want social inclusion.

This is why the Dems are so on the nose. Regular people are now noticing that it's not Republican voters who throw hissy, weak as piss fits and attack people when they don't agree with them on different issues.

It's the mental case Democrats who do.

When even people like the Young Turks can see this then it's going to be damn obvious to normal people.
 
Except these kind of people you are describing are the biggest campaigners when it comes to attacking people who don't share their views.

They don't want social inclusion.

This is why the Dems are so on the nose. Regular people are now noticing that it's not Republican voters who throw hissy, weak as piss fits and attack people when they don't agree with them on different issues.

It's the mental case Democrats who do.

When even people like the Young Turks can see this then it's going to be damn obvious to normal people.
Yeah, there's definitely a way to put your argument across, and 'hissy fits' aren't actually going to sell to many who aren't already on the same side. I argue my case because I genuinely believe in it. Some others I guess are in it for the confrontation. Others, they just aren't cut out for a head-to-head on ideology and retreat back to name-calling.

Differing opinions and dissent - it's just 'life' and we're ALL in this mess together.
 

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