NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[bourbons]

That's actually the exact opposite of what wokeism is.

Wokeism is - because of your skin, because of your gender, because of your sexual orientation you should be treated a certain way.

Yes, that "certain way" being the same as everyone else when it hasn't been the case traditionally for those groups (and continues not to be in a lot of cases).

You guys are such snowflakes on this stuff, honestly. You view it as some kinda zero sum game where if out/other groups are getting something, your group must be losing something. Bizarre.

 

[bourbons]

So you think getting employed when you're not qualified, or playing sports in a sex that you're not, or being able to walk naked around children - that's being treated like everyone else? We all do that do we?

Maybe you.

I know of plenty of white guys who have been employed when not qualified, so technically yes this would be the very definition of being treated like everyone else lol

What is the "walk naked around children" example you're thinking of?

 

[Stokey]

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[FlowersByIrene]

Yes, that "certain way" being the same as everyone else when it hasn't been the case traditionally for those groups (and continues not to be in a lot of cases).

You guys are such snowflakes on this stuff, honestly. You view it as some kinda zero sum game where if out/other groups are getting something, your group must be losing something. Bizarre.

Racism / sexism begats racism / sexism. You cannot fix representation issues through quotas and racial / sex based profiling. All it does is highlighting the differences between people and drive people further apart. Pretty simple stuff - woke = identity politics. Non woke = treating everyone equally.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I know of plenty of white guys who have been employed when not qualified, so technically yes this would be the very definition of being treated like everyone else lol

What is the "walk naked around children" example you're thinking of?

Has been discussed ad nauseum.

 

[bourbons]

As for the last point, check out your average LGBT parade from mega left places in the US like New York and Seattle.

lol

Why stop there? Not a fan of Carnivale in Rio I take it? Exactly how many events that you don't personally jibe with should be shut down so that you are yours don't feel a bit queasy in the guts when you see the odd bit of vision of it online?

Hell, we should probably outlaw professional wrestling as well while we're at it? A bunch of half naked sweaty men rolling around touching each other, broadcast to millions no less

 

[bourbons]

Ahh, must feel good to finally come out as a proper stolen election enthusiast mate?

You can probably stop pretending you're just a garden variety conservative and not particularly invested in Trump now too, let 'er rip old son

 

[FlowersByIrene]

lol

Why stop there? Not a fan of Carnivale in Rio I take it? Exactly how many events that you don't personally jibe with should be shut down so that you are yours don't feel a bit queasy in the guts when you see the odd bit of vision of it online?

Hell, we should probably outlaw professional wrestling as well while we're at it? A bunch of half naked sweaty men rolling around touching each, broadcast to millions no less

There's a difference between "half naked" and "naked"

 

[bourbons]

Racism / sexism begats racism / sexism. You cannot fix representation issues through quotas and racial / sex based profiling. All it does is highlighting the differences between people and drive people further apart. Pretty simple stuff - woke = identity politics. Non woke = treating everyone equally.

Yeah, no acknowledgement or discussion ever needed again on the challenges those groups have faced going back decades and longer, we're all equal now dontcha know. Starting.... NOW

Not doing a whole lot to shake that snowflake tag mate.

 

[bourbons]

Has been discussed ad nauseum.

Compelling, evidence backed stuff here. As always.

You guys complain about vibes and facts not caring about your feelings, yet are usually the most vibes based blokes going round

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yeah, no acknowledgement or discussion ever needed again on the challenges those groups have faced going back decades and longer, we're all equal now dontcha know. Starting.... NOW

Not doing a whole lot to shake that snowflake tag mate.

Regardless of what you think about the morality of it. The point is that wokeism clearly isn't about people being treated "the same". Which is the whole point of the discussion.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Compelling, evidence backed stuff here. As always.

You guys complain about vibes and facts not caring about your feelings, yet are usually the most vibes based blokes going round

I'm highly vibes based. Our subconsious mind is much more capable of understanding things on the macro level than our active mind. If you're not going on vibes, you've got tunnel vision.

 

[bourbons]

There's a difference between "half naked" and "naked"

In the case you seem to be referring to in Seattle, take it up with the relevant regions and their laws I guess.

As is usually the case, it only seems to be an issue once gay people do it - "Another wrote: Straight people bike naked in Seattle and no one says a word until it happens at Pride."

Why you would take your children to a pride parade if you're not into it is perplexing. Just like the drag queen story time stuff, seems to be another case of people trying to impose their values on others by trying to shut down events that they have no interest in and have nothing to do with them.

 

[bourbons]

I'm highly vibes based.

Progress acknowledging this at least

 

[FlowersByIrene]

In the case you seem to be referring to in Seattle, take it up with the relevant regions and their laws I guess.

As is usually the case, it only seems to be an issue once gay people do it - "Another wrote: Straight people bike naked in Seattle and no one says a word until it happens at Pride."

Why you would take your children to a pride parade if you're not into it is perplexing. Just like the drag queen story time stuff, seems to be another case of people trying to impose their values on others by trying to shut down events that they have no interest in and have nothing to do with them.

To be clear, I'm not necessarily criticising the people who are naked at pride. I'm more criticisng the insane woke people who take their children to pride, because of the crazy woke ideology that hyper-sexualisation is normal if the person is non-heterosexual, and so normal that children should be exposed to it. Which I suppose is, again, a difference in treatment between people as a result of wokeist ideology. No one would take their children to a strip club, but many do to pride parades.

 

[bourbons]

To be clear, I'm not necessarily criticising the people who are naked at pride. I'm more criticisng the insane woke people who take their children to pride, because of the crazy woke ideology that hyper-sexualisation is normal if the person is non-heterosexual, and so normal that children should be exposed to it. Which I suppose is, again, a difference in treatment between people as a result of wokeist ideology. No one would take their children to a strip club, but many do to pride parades.

"hyper-sexualisation is normal if the person is non-heterosexual"

You state this as a given yet it seems fairly clear that this a "you" issue mate ie. you see it as hyper-sexualisation, the people attending these events don't. As has been raised before, why have there been no conservative attacks on the child beauty pageant industry in the US, for example? Orders of magnitude more events and children involved in them, and those children are being sexualised to a far greater degree than watching a parade (or watching a drag queen read a book).

So why no push back there? Could it be that it is considered a more traditional 'normal' hetero form of sexualisation do you think?

FWIW I wouldn't take my kid to a pride parade (any parade really lol), drag queen story time or child beauty pageant either. I just don't have a meltdown if other parents choose to do that with their kids, it effects me not one iota.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

"hyper-sexualisation is normal if the person is non-heterosexual"

You state this as a given yet it seems fairly clear that this a "you" issue mate ie. you see it as hyper-sexualisation, the people attending these events don't. As has been raised before, why have there been no conservative attacks on the child beauty pageant industry in the US, for example? Orders of magnitude more events and children involved in them, and those children are being sexualised to a far greater degree than watching a parade (or watching a drag queen read a book).

So why no push back there? Could it be that it is considered a more traditional 'normal' hetero form of sexualisation do you think?

FWIW I wouldn't take my kid to a pride parade (any parade really lol), drag queen story time or child beauty pageant either. I just don't have a meltdown if other parents choose to do that with their kids, it effects me not one iota.

Again, I'm not having a meltdown mate. Just highlighting that wokeism is not about everyone being the same. It's about promoting people based on their race, gender or sexual identity.

 

[bourbons]

Again, I'm not having a meltdown mate. Just highlighting that wokeism is not about everyone being the same. It's about promoting people based on their race, gender or sexual identity.

Yes, promoting them so they're considered the 'same' as everyone else.

If you wanna argue that they've always been treated the same as the white/straight/whatever majority, or even that they are now, I don't know what to tell you. Refer back to your acknowledgement that you operate on vibes rather than facts I guess ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yes, promoting them so they're considered the 'same' as everyone else.

If you wanna argue that they've always been treated the same as the white/straight/whatever majority, or even that they are now, I don't know what to tell you. Refer back to your acknowledgement that you operate on vibes rather than facts I guess ¯\(ツ)/¯

It goes back to a fundamental difference in the philosophy of the left and right.

People are not the same. Not everyone can play football to the level of Patrick Cripps. Not everyone is smart enough to run a business or lead a country. So there is no "same" - people are different. You will never achieve equality of outcome. It is impossible unless you were to live in a communist society and then the only possible outcome to be achieved is reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator. Being "the same" is something that is only promoted by someone who does not value individual liberty and is therefore only comprehended by those on the left.

Whereas anyone who believes in individual autonomy understands it is equality of opportunity that should be the "same" and that the outcomes should not be the same by nature. You should not have a middle aged woman playing for the Carlton men's team. You should not have a dumb person leading a county (shout out Anthony Albanese if you're reading). Everyone should have the opportunity to compete, but roles should be assigned based on merit.

Obviously there are internal biases, but the response to those biases is not more bias. It should be to continue to strive to provide more opportunity.

 

[bourbons]

Whereas anyone who believes in individual autonomy understands it is equality of opportunity that should be the "same" and that the outcomes should not be the same by nature.

Again, its your framing that they actually are going for equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. You and other hardcore MAGA types struggle to identify that difference, and lump it all into one.

And again, if its your position that equality of opportunity is actually the same for a few of the 'out' groups we're talking about I just don't know what to tell you (other than its definitely something who operates on vibes and has the talking points you do would say).

 

[bourbons]

rofl

Fifty-seven out of 64 (89 per cent) of Harris’ policies included in the survey are supported by more than half of voters.

The same is true for just 48 per cent (31 of 64) of Trump’s policies.

Hilariously, Trump’s supporters were actually more favourable towards Harris’ policies than their own candidate.

Republicans favoured Kamala Harris's policies in blind polling

Kamala Harris’s policies were preferred by Republicans to Donald Trump's in blind polling carried out ahead of the election.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Same as it ever was. This was 2020;



Pretending wokeism of whatever culture war nonsense is responsible for Trump's win is hilarious. Its cult of personality combined with inflation following a pandemic (and Biden's hubris in running again).

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

There's a difference between "half naked" and "naked"

I'll put this behind a spolier tag, but these Carnival performers don't leave much to the imagination.

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NOTE: The above pictures, obscured by a spoiler tag, are for illustrative and educative purposes only. Any effects of titilation and/or arousal are purely coincidental and are not intended by the poster.

 

[skipper kelly]

They haven't learned a thing in 8 years. I doubt they are going to start now.

You are right. There's more of the racism, misogyny and stupidity claims than ever before. Everything comes down to how the left are intellectually and morally superior.

At least Joe Biden showed humility.

 

[Mofra]

What does 'woke' mean and why are some conservatives using it?

Conservatives are using ‘woke,’ a term coined by Black Americans, against progressive ideals of social justice during this midterm election cycle.

abcnews.go.com

Woke is defined by the DeSantis administration as "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them," according to DeSantis' general counsel, as reported by The Washington Post.

 

[bourbons]

You are right. There's more of the racism, misogyny and stupidity claims than ever before. Everything comes down to how the left are intellectually and morally superior.

At least Joe Biden showed humility.

Good to see you indulging in a bit of MSM mate

They're wrong of course, just not for the reasons you think they are. The best lessons the Democrats could take out of this election, in order of importance, are;

1. Don't be in charge during a period of heavy unavoidable inflation following a global pandemic
2. Get a charismatic ('celebrity' type if possible) candidate
3. Run a proper primary

Policies aren't the problem, as clearly evidenced by the blind polling link I posted above.