NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[Stokey]

What?

No, Im not arguing about the amount. You claimed above that:



You will 100 percent be prosecuted if you steal <1000 dollars within any US State.

It's still a ****ing crime to steal <1000. In California, it's simply been reclassified from a felony (what it used to be, which is a serious crime that allows imprisonment pending bail on remand etc, and carries much higher penalties on conviction) to a misdemeanor (equivalent in Australia to a summary offence, where you get a summons to appear in front of a Magistrate, and the penalties are generally much lower).

You read some misinformation nonsense on social media somewhere claiming 'you can't be prosecuted for minor theft in the USA' and you actually believed it.

Lol.

It's. Not. True.

Why has it been lessened to a misdemeanor?

You are just saying you are ok with minimising the punishmennt for stealing.

You were probably all over the defund the police movement.

How far we have come since the days of sending people to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread.

I honestly cant believe we are arguing about this.

 

[Malifice]

You are the one normalising making theft easier but I am the cooked one. FMD.

What?

Laws like the above setting a $$ limit on what is a felony (as opposed to a misdemeanor) have existed in the USA forever (and they exist in other Common law legal codes, like our own).

They're hardly new.

Do you think it's appropriate to arrest, detain and imprison someone for months (pending bail), with penalties on conviction of up to 20 years to life for a minor theft (a few hundred bucks)?

Fact is though, you claimed 'no punishment'.

Misdemeanors (theft of less than 1000 dollars) are punishable with between 6 months and a year in prison:

https://pdo.santaclaracounty.gov/prop-47

 

[Stokey]

What?

Laws like the above setting a $$ limit on what is a felony (as opposed to a misdemeanor) have existed in the USA forever (and they exist in other Common law legal codes, like our own).

They're hardly new.

Do you think it's appropriate to arrest, detain and imprison someone for months (pending bail), with penalties on conviction of up to 20 years to life for a minor theft (a few hundred bucks)?

Fact is though, you claimed 'no punishment'.

Misdemeanors (theft of less than 1000 dollars) are punishable with between 6 months and a year in prison:

https://pdo.santaclaracounty.gov/prop-47

Full list of California stores that have closed due to crime

Several companies have recently closed their stores in cities like Oakland and San Francisco because of a rise in retail theft.

www.newsweek.com

Why should any need to close.

 

[Malifice]

I honestly cant believe we are arguing about this.

We're arguing about it because you (falsely) claimed there was no punishment for stealing less than 1000 dollars in the USA.

There is a punishment if you steal less than 1,000 dollars, and it's up to a year in prison.

CLAIM: Under Proposition 47 in California thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted.

AP ASSESSMENT: False. Proposition 47 was passed in California in 2014 and reclassified felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. It did not allow shoplifting and petty theft to go unprosecuted.

THE FACTS: The false claim about the proposition circulated on social media with a video showing two individuals walking out of a T.J. Maxx in Granada Hills, California, with duffle bags filled with merchandise and their arms filled with clothing on hangers. No one attempted to stop the pair as they walked out of the store and through the parking lot.

The scene was captured on video by another person in the store and circulated widely on news media.

Adam Carolla, a comedian who hosts a podcast, posted the video to Facebook along with a false comment about Proposition 47.

“Thanks to Prop 47 thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted,” Carolla commented on the post. “So cops will not bother showing up. Just a reminder that you get what you voted for, California!”

But the post is incorrect. The 2014 proposition modified, but did not eliminate, sentencing for many nonviolent property and drug crimes.


“What Prop 47 did was take very low level crimes like petty theft, some petty drug offenses, petty larceny, and classify them as misdemeanors rather than felonies,” said Charis Kubrin, professor of criminology, law and society at the University of California, Irvine, who wrote a study examining the impact of the proposition on crime rates. “It doesn’t mean, like that Facebook post is saying, that you’re not prosecuted or that you aren’t committing a crime.”

According to Alex Bastian, special advisor to Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón who co-authored Prop 47, most shoplifting was already prosecuted as a misdemeanor anyway.

“What Prop 47 did is increase the dollar amount by which theft can be prosecuted as a felony from $400 to $950 to adjust for inflation and cost of living,” Bastian said. “But most shoplifting cases are under $400 dollars to begin with, so before Prop 47 and after Prop 47, there isn’t any difference.”

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299

Stokey next time you see shit like the above on Facebook, make sure to check with an actual reputable source before you go around claiming it as fact?

This is like the 5th time I've caught you out now.

 

[Malifice]

Full list of California stores that have closed due to crime

Several companies have recently closed their stores in cities like Oakland and San Francisco because of a rise in retail theft.

www.newsweek.com

Why should any need to close.

There has been a minor theft increase in the past few years?

It's almost as if there has also been a simultaneous massive cost of living crisis in the USA, along with rising inflation with people increasingly being unable to pa...

Oh wait.

 

[Stokey]

What?

Laws like the above setting a $$ limit on what is a felony (as opposed to a misdemeanor) have existed in the USA forever (and they exist in other Common law legal codes, like our own).

They're hardly new.

Do you think it's appropriate to arrest, detain and imprison someone for months (pending bail), with penalties on conviction of up to 20 years to life for a minor theft (a few hundred bucks)?

Fact is though, you claimed 'no punishment'.

Misdemeanors (theft of less than 1000 dollars) are punishable with between 6 months and a year in prison:

https://pdo.santaclaracounty.gov/prop-47

It's like you've never heard of the word deterent.

You are happy for someone to get a slap on the wrist for stealing a "little bit'.

Thieft is theft and should be punished as a crime.

 

[Stokey]

We're arguing about it because you (falsely) claimed there was no punishment for stealing less than 1000 dollars in the USA.

There is a punishment if you steal less than 1,000 dollars, and it's up to a year in prison.



https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299

Stokey next time you see shit like the above on Facebook, make sure to check with an actual reputable source before you go around claiming it as fact?

This is like the 5th time I've caught you out now.

Im not on facebook you fool.

I find it funny you continue to think Wikipedia and Quora are reputable sources.

You are the type of person that minimises theft until it happens to you, then you cry like a baby.

Did you zupport defind the police when it was a thing and do you still?

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

When even the Washington Post says you're lying it's time to give it up Nancy.

Pelosi gets 'four Pinocchios' after Washington Post fact-checks her Biden border claim

The Washington Post’s Pinocchio Test is a rating system used to characterize the truthfulness of comments made by lawmakers.

mynbc15.com

 

[Malifice]

Im not on facebook you fool.

Where did you get your misinformation from this time then?

You are the type of person that minimises theft until it happens to you, then you cry like a baby.

I'm not minimizing theft.

I'm expressly saying:

1. Your claim that theft of under 1000 dollars is not punishable in the USA is false.
2. Only an idiot would believe it to be true.

By inference, seeing as you believed it to be true, I'm also inferring you're an idiot.

Did you zupport defind the police when it was a thing and do you still?

Of course I do (to some extent).

Policing is only one way we can deter crime (and its not a very effective deterrent). It's preferable to instead focus on crime prevention (improved social security etc.) as those measures actually help stop crime before they're actually even committed.

That's what 'defund the police' means dude. Instead of pissing money into Policing as a means of dealing with crime, divert some of that money into social welfare programs (social housing, social workers, social security etc) that serve to stop crimes before they happen.

 

[zill]

It's extremely naive to suggest otherwise. There's a lot of reading/examples available for this phenomenon.

10 Times the Bail System Benefited the Ultrarich

From Elizabeth Holmes to George Santos, high rollers and their networks have leveraged the cash bail system to buy their freedom and impact case outcomes.

bailproject.org

Case Studies: How the Wealthy Are More Likely to Get Away With Crimes

Through a series of case examples, this article explores how rich criminals get treated better than poorer people who have committed lesser offenses.

www.forensicscolleges.com

The “Pay-to-Win” Justice System

In the capitalist society that we live in, being wealthy gives defendants an advantage in getting away with crimes.

stuyspec.com

I didnt mean the claim about the US, just that I didn't think Australia was any different . We literally had a state premier involved in a serious hit and run with no consequences and a cover up on his behalf. Also light sentences for migrants who might face deportation for their crimes.

 

[Malifice]

Thieft is theft and should be punished as a crime.

A misdemeanor is still a crime you idiot.

Misdemeanors carry sentences (in California) of up to a year in prison:

The standard penalty for a misdemeanor crime is up to one year in county jail and/or a fine up to $1,000. However, unless the code states otherwise, any offense considered a misdemeanor will have county jail time of up to 6 months.

https://www.egattorneys.com/crimina...=The standard penalty for a,of up to 6 months.

 

[Stokey]

Where did you get your misinformation from this time then?


I'm not minimizing theft.

I'm expressly saying:

1. Your claim that theft of under 1000 dollars is not punishable in the USA is false.
2. Only an idiot would believe it to be true.

By inference, seeing as you believed it to be true, I'm also inferring you're an idiot.


Of course I do (to some extent).

Policing is only one way we can deter crime (and its not a very effective deterrent). It's preferable to instead focus on crime prevention (improved social security etc.) as those measures actually help stop crime before they're actually even committed.

That's what 'defund the police' means dude. Instead of pissing money into Policing as a means of dealing with crime, divert some of that money into social welfare programs (social housing, social workers, social security etc) that serve to stop crimes before they happen.

You are a fool. Thanks for clarifying.

Conversation over.

 

[Malifice]

We literally had a state premier involved in a serious hit and run with no consequences

Hit and Run?

He literally called the Police straight afterwards, and the police attended the scene:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...r/news-story/4d5d22550eea2dd1bec551932ad4f366

The Cops would have had a look at the scene and determined who was in the wrong (and if it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt someone was in the wrong).

If you think VICPOL would not charge a politician with a crime, you're very mistaken.

 

[Malifice]

You are a fool. Thanks for clarifying.

Conversation over.

That's your comeback?

You cant just be a decent human, and admit you were wrong can you?

 

[Stokey]

That's your comeback?

You cant just be a decent human, and admit you were wrong can you?

You put criminals above citizens. You are not a decent human.

 

[Malifice]

You put criminals above citizens.

What in the actual **** are you talking about?

Jesus you're hillarious.

You: Watches some nonsense on social media about theft no longer being a crime, repeats it online as if its fact.
Everyone else: Explains to you that theft is still a crime, and the shit you saw was not true.
You: Call everyone names, and goes on about 'you all support the criminals'

That's literally how this conversation has gone.

Mate. Just admit you were wrong and move on with it. That's how good faith debating goes.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You are the one normalising making theft easier but I am the cooked one. FMD.

I don't like to converse with that poster so i'll say this here. Its highly disingenuous to state that because stealing under $950 is still technically a crime that the common conception that theft is legal in Califnornia is "misleading". There's this little something called context and "words written on paper" and "reality" are different - just by pointing to words written on paper Malifice is misleading you and gasligting you into thinking you have been "conned" by some conspiracy.

The point is that thefts under $950 are now misdemeanors rather than felonies. The police, don't have the time, nor the care to pursue misdemeanor offences that would require them to go down to court and prove theft occured because it would be a waste of everyone's time to do so. Unless there is a simple mechanism that gives the police the front foot on prosecuting misdemeanors, such as traffic infringements, they will never prosecute a misdemeanor over a more serious felony they have to pursue. This means, in practice and reality, that shoplifting is not enforced in California and this is blatantly clear for all to see. It's actually disgusting how low that poster will go to justify their sick leftist view and gaslight you into thinking you're some sort of conspiracy theorist for rightfully pointing out that left wing states are anarchic hell holes.

 

[zill]

Hit and Run?

He literally called the Police straight afterwards, and the police attended the scene:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...r/news-story/4d5d22550eea2dd1bec551932ad4f366

The Cops would have had a look at the scene and determined who was in the wrong (and if it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt someone was in the wrong).

If you think VICPOL would not charge a politician with a crime, you're very mistaken.

They didn't breathalyser anyone for a start. They recorded the alleged driver under her maiden name for unknown reasons. And then there is the version of events from Andrews that doesn't match with the damage to the car and where the cyclist and car ended up in the aftermath.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

A significant number of Trumps supporters proclaim to loathe 'billionaires, big pharma, oligarchs, the elites' etc. The man himself literally promised to 'drain the swamp' of 'the elites'.

Here he is promoting two elites (Big Pharma and Big Tech) to deregulate the very industries they make their money in.

Might as well toss Soros and Bezos in there as well.

Do you (or anyone else on here) think for one second Musk and Ramasawy are going to look at making life better for the worker (who they're likely going to fire in droves, seeing as they both have form doing this exact thing) or for other billionaires like them?

The cookers go halfway, and have mostly identified the problem (unelected billionaires, rorting the system, really have all the power and call all the shots).

They then vote for the very party that enables those unelected billionaires, (and is led by one, who has himself recently been convicted of rorting the system and defrauding the working class, and not for the first time).

They also oppose socialism (or socialist measures, or heck - even just taxing billionaires more) that seek to curb in those very excesses.

It's just bonkers.

It's never been about the rich, it's about which rich. I'm not anti-capitalist.

Like 90% of the senate on both sides are involved in insider trading. Do I care that they are elected and not billionaires? No. Not being really rich hasn't prevented them from acting immorally.

I'm not opposed to people getting filthy rich by providing good services.

Cutting the US expenditure by 30% will take 1.8 trillion off the government spend, taxing all the US billionaires 10% of the net worth which will be about 448 billion. That vast majority of that not being liquid or assets outside of the value of their companies. I think taxing unrealized gains is immoral in itself.

You could do both sure, but I'm an ideological enemy to a large amount of government workers. I want these people cut for reasons outside of just the spend.

 

[Stokey]

What in the actual **** are you talking about?

Jesus you're hillarious.

You: Watches some nonsense on social media about theft no longer being a crime, repeats it online as if its fact.
Everyone else: Explains to you that theft is still a crime, and the shit you saw was not true.
You: Call everyone names, and goes on about 'you all support the criminals'

That's literally how this conversation has gone.

Mate. Just admit you were wrong and move on with it. That's how good faith debating goes.

Just admit you are ok 'with a little bit of stealing'

Anyone who wants to 'Defund the police' as you've just admitted is not a serious person worth debating

 

[EasternTiger]

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Joe looks happy

The great man has just informed Biden that Jill will be denied conjugal visits.

 

[Malifice]

They didn't breathalyser anyone for a start. They recorded the alleged driver under her maiden name for unknown reasons. And then there is the version of events from Andrews that doesn't match with the damage to the car and where the cyclist and car ended up in the aftermath.

None of which makes the alleged offending a hit and run.

The damage to the car makes it look like a T bone (the cyclist colliding head on with the side of the car). Depending on the nature of the intersection where this occurred, it could be either parties fault.

Do you know what intersection it happened at?

 

[Malifice]

Just admit you are ok 'with a little bit of stealing'

You: It's not a crime to steal less than 1000 dollars.
Me: Yes it is. It's a misdemeanor with up to 1 year in prison attached. Here is a link to several sources showing you're wrong.
You: Admit you're OK with people stealing!

**** you're painful to talk to.

Anyone who wants to 'Defund the police' as you've just admitted is not a serious person worth debating

I would prefer if more money was spent on stopping crime being committed before it has actually been committed, and less money being spent on policing. Spending money on social welfare programs that seek to stop criminals becoming criminals in the first place.

It's a hell of a lot cheaper (for the taxpayer) to divert a person from a life of crime (each hardened criminal costs the taxpayer millions in prison fees, policing costs, court costs and so forth) to instead be a productive member of society (where they themselves are employed and pay taxes).

Using your logic, seeing as you don't support this, you must support crime being committed, and high taxes.

Admit you're OK with crimes being committed and paying high taxes!

 

[Bostonian]

You are the one normalising making theft easier but I am the cooked one. FMD.

Well there is one profession out there who takes much pleasure and financial gain from getting utter scum bags off criminal charges.

Lowest of the low.

 

[EasternTiger]

Well there is one profession out there who takes much pleasure and financial gain from getting utter scum bags off criminal charges.

Lowest of the low.

Have to go ahead and correct you there mate.

Mal usually loses his cases so most of his clients end up in the clink.

Fairs fair the bloke has done his bit to clean up the streets.