Jazny
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It fails on so many levels on international law even if Hamas wasn't designated as a terrorist organisation and instead a state actor. It wouldn't pass the Caroline test, there was no immediate necessity that would pass this test for Hamas to launch the attack. They hadn't meaningfully engaged in necessary diplomatic alternatives. Also, how could they justify the military advantage of October 7th? What were the possible military outcomes that would justify the attack? It would fail this test so hard.This is just nonsense. Organised resistance and national liberation movements have every right to resist their occupation. You may be incredulous, because you expect Palestinians to just accept their oppression in slience, but this right is in the GCs.
October 7th even if Hamas were a state (they aren't, they are terrorists), and even if it only targeted military personnel would still be a crime of aggression under international law. Now after October 7th there is a war between the two actors, Hamas actually could attack Israeli targets in Israel if it were in line with international law. Not the way they do now with indiscriminate rockets, every single one of those are war crimes, but a more targeted attack would not be against international law.
I am not saying Israel didn't deliberately murder these people, for all we know they did. But these stories aren't evidence that they deliberately targeted civilians at all, it's just evidence that civilians are being killed. Which happens in every war in an urban area with modern weapons. It's horrible, but until these incidents are fully investigated and the motives of the attacks are known and whether the strikes would pass the tests of what a reasonable commander would take (or worse, they were launched fully knowing there was no military objective) then you can't just show incidents of civilians being killed in war and say its deliberate.They sent a warning message to leave their homes - then bomb the refugee camp. 69 people. There is no proportionality here, no justification. I could of course go on, almost endlessly.
Please, forgive me for once again using words to convey meaning.
I do wonder how you've managed to avoid any of the multitudes of reports and evidence of Israelis deliberately killing civilians. You've done well to keep your little head in the sand. Surely you've heard of Lavender, and 'Where's Daddy'? You know, like Robodebt but for killing people?
How about the World Kitchen aid workers? Sure, if it was one missile I could imagine claiming it was a mistake. Maaayyybe 2. But they took 3 goes to kill them. 3 different cars. That's not an error - that's policy.
Unless you're one of the many who consider all Palestinians Hamas, of course?
Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza
Amnesty International has documented damning evidence of war crimes.www.amnesty.org
‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza
The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.www.972mag.com
If you actually look into Lavander and AI and the way its being used according to Israel, it shouldn't really even be that controversial. You would be stupid not to use AI tools in war. It's not fully automated like Robodebt, there are human checks before anything is acted on. Unless you have evidence otherwise we can look at.