We do need to fix this now....

[deliberate!!]

Rich V WCE.

We have an average 1st Quarter.
2nd Quarter we start to play clean fast flowing football, hitting targets and scoring. All is well.
3rd Quarter sees us play the style of football we Richmond supporters crave.

So why with 8 mins to go till 3 Quarter time, does Joel Bowden signal to the team to 'keep possession of the ball'? Or in other words change our current style of play from attacking, progressive football, to anally retentive chip-chip crap?
Here we go again, Joel trying to get us to play 'tempo-footy' again.
Haven't we learnt anything from the Doggies game?

If Terry doesn't send a runner out to shake some sense into Bowden then the club needs to hire a sniper. Someone who will sit on any club's Grandstand and take Bowden 'out' when he threatens the playing style of the club and any future success.

I can put up with Bowden playing out his career with us, but I don't won't 'tempo-footy' rubbing off on Thursty, Moore, McGuane etc, etc.
Tempo-Footy is a cancer that is hard to reverse, and a cheap way to get kicks. As soon a you start to not want to score quickly, than you might as well pack the game in.

Stop this crap now Bowden. We are trying to nurture an attacking, free flowing style of football, and you keep grabbing the team and trying to take it back to the dark ages!

The minute I see players like Cotchy doing that chippy-chippy shit Bowden, I'm holding you personally responsible.
We look a million bucks playing attacking football, we look like uncontrollable idiots playing 'tempo-football'.

That is all.

 

[ize_]

In Joel's defence, he doesn't run the club. Yes he is the purportrator of this game style, but he wouldn't do it if the coaching staff didn't tell him to. The problem comes from higher up. Someone has to do the job the Joel does, and I think he does it particularly well, even if it frustrates us as supporters. Definitely agree with the bit about not wanting it to rub off onto Thursty, McGuane and Moore though.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Next week will be a close encounter. We do need to rectify it or it will bite us on the backside.

Todays result will mean nothing unless we can back it up.

I dont want to believe the Bombers have overtaken us. Felt that way in last month however a good chance to rectify it on weekend but this strategy is going to hurt us next week.

 

[deliberate!!]

In Joel's defence, he doesn't run the club. Yes he is the purportrator of this game style, but he wouldn't do it if the coaching staff didn't tell him to. The problem comes from higher up. Someone has to do the job the Joel does, and I think he does it particularly well, even if it frustrates us as supporters. Definitely agree with the bit about not wanting it to rub off onto Thursty, McGuane and Moore though.

Actually he does run the club from defence on game days just by the fact that players see his seniority as also meaning footballing intelligence.
He's done it before and he'll do it again.

The team is playing free flowing football.
Joel slows things down in the backline. Chips it around, demands it back.
And before you know it the ball has moved to the middle after 3 minutes bobbing around aimlessly in the backline and now Tucky starts to fart around with the ball and trys to get pretty because he's been watching it down back. Then other players start the same rubbish.
Then forwards don't want to have shots within range. The give it off unnecessarily.
Believe me, it spreads like a cancer.
And before you know it, we've had too many hands on the ball for the small distance it has traveled, someone stuffs up in the chain, turnover, goal.
Eventually it is harder to get back into the swing of attacking football then switching from free flowing to the conservative 'tempo' style.

We are a better team without Joel dictating styles of play.
He does it.
We all know it.
And it needs to stop. With him.

 

[deliberate!!]

To add further to this, thankfully on this occasion someone (not sure if it was Jordy or Whitey) decided to ignore Bowden and push through a couple of lines and revert us back to the successful game style of the 2nd Quarter.

But against the Doggies we shut up shop over 4 minutes before the end with 'tempo-footy'.

We must play our natural game against the Dons.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Dude...for the last time ..the sun was like, totally in his eyes....

 

[deliberate!!]

Dude...for the last time ..the sun was like, totally in his eyes....

LOL......Yeh, one hand will do that. Two hands with ball above your head, signalling means, "Keep Possession" which equals "Tempo-Football".

Wish the commentators also thought the sun was in his eyes!!

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

One of them did mention it , but it was when Moore had the footy...maybe they shoulda worn those wrap around sunnies like the cricketers do...or maybe we shoulda just played Rance...

 

[deliberate!!]

One of them did mention it , but it was when Moore had the footy...maybe they shoulda worn those wrap around sunnies like the cricketers do...or maybe we shoulda just played Rance...

No it wasn't.
It was Bowden.

 

[Fishfinger]

Bowden didn't play against the bulldogs.

 

[deliberate!!]

Bowden didn't play against the bulldogs.

Tempo footy is something Bowden instigated at our club.
Whether he was told to do it or not.
I never actually said Bowden played in the Doggies game.
Read carefully Fish.

The Doggies Game was where Tempo-Footy actually hurt us.
We should learn a lesson from it.
Joel's been the General of 'Tempo-Football' at our club well before the Doggies game.
Those players that went into their shell in the Doggies forwardline were just replicating a style of useless, go no-where play that Joel made popular.
Newy falls into that trap sometimes, all learnt from Joel.
Who ran the ball over the line in the Doggies game that cost us that valuable point? Kingy or Moore? All learnt from Joel.

Remember when Joel was chipping the shit out of the ball and all the media and the public thought he was a wizard for a while? And the holding onto the ball in the goalsquare to run down the clock and then walk the ball back over the line if an opponent came near you.

Joel tried it again against the WCE.

No need to do it.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

No it wasn't.
It was Bowden.

Well see I couldn't tell it was,like,too bright...

 

[TimeFor11]

We can just be happy that atleast it is in safer hands atm. Bowden deserves his spot in the team and the kicking he is producing atm is nothing short of outstanding. I think it is a thing all clubs do and is just a phase. Saints are probs the worst they love lifting the ball above there head, Adelaide too.

 

[Fishfinger]

I never actually said Bowden played in the Doggies game.
Read carefully Fish.

Yeah, I read carefully.
Twice you mentioned chipping in the dogs game straight after blaming Bowden for chipping.
Just pointing out he didn't play.

 

[WATIGE]

Rich V WCE.

We have an average 1st Quarter.
2nd Quarter we start to play clean fast flowing football, hitting targets and scoring. All is well.
3rd Quarter sees us play the style of football we Richmond supporters crave.

So why with 8 mins to go till 3 Quarter time, does Joel Bowden signal to the team to 'keep possession of the ball'? Or in other words change our current style of play from attacking, progressive football, to anally retentive chip-chip crap?
Here we go again, Joel trying to get us to play 'tempo-footy' again.
Haven't we learnt anything from the Doggies game?

If Terry doesn't send a runner out to shake some sense into Bowden then the club needs to hire a sniper. Someone who will sit on any club's Grandstand and take Bowden 'out' when he threatens the playing style of the club and any future success.

I can put up with Bowden playing out his career with us, but I don't won't 'tempo-footy' rubbing off on Thursty, Moore, McGuane etc, etc.
Tempo-Footy is a cancer that is hard to reverse, and a cheap way to get kicks. As soon a you start to not want to score quickly, than you might as well pack the game in.

Stop this crap now Bowden. We are trying to nurture an attacking, free flowing style of football, and you keep grabbing the team and trying to take it back to the dark ages!

The minute I see players like Cotchy doing that chippy-chippy shit Bowden, I'm holding you personally responsible.
We look a million bucks playing attacking football, we look like uncontrollable idiots playing 'tempo-football'.

That is all.

I'm giving you stick on this one Delib.

Were you at the game?! NO - I bet is the answer.

The Eagles had just changed style big time and we were not coping with it - we hadn't regrouped and and it wasn't flowing. I know the call looked like the "tempo" call, maybe it was, but it had the effect of getting the team to regroup. What you wouldn't have seen was a couple of other players further up the ground answer his call, one was Reiwoldt, can't remember the other, and get the team to bunch up and change up the play style and it was this that then allowed that player to run through the lines and get something happening for us.

For months I've been sitting here reading about players bagging the sh1t out of Bowdo because of this and had even begun to think it was right and maybe he was past it. After what I saw yesterday I'll be looking more closely at what else is happening and take with a pinch of salt (very big one) all the bagging that flows on this board - not that I didn't anyway - it'll just be a bigger pinch now.

Pull your head in on this particular play Delib - it was perfect reading of the game and did it's job beautifully, and probably took someone of Bowden's experience to get it done.

 

[CoggaRules]

Next week will be a close encounter. We do need to rectify it or it will bite us on the backside.

Todays result will mean nothing unless we can back it up.

I dont want to believe the Bombers have overtaken us. Felt that way in last month however a good chance to rectify it on weekend but this strategy is going to hurt us next week.

the game will be over by the big break. We will blow the bummers away. Supremely confident about this game.

 

[peejay]

Rich V WCE.

We have an average 1st Quarter.
2nd Quarter we start to play clean fast flowing football, hitting targets and scoring. All is well.
3rd Quarter sees us play the style of football we Richmond supporters crave.

So why with 8 mins to go till 3 Quarter time, does Joel Bowden signal to the team to 'keep possession of the ball'? Or in other words change our current style of play from attacking, progressive football, to anally retentive chip-chip crap?
Here we go again, Joel trying to get us to play 'tempo-footy' again.
Haven't we learnt anything from the Doggies game?

If Terry doesn't send a runner out to shake some sense into Bowden then the club needs to hire a sniper. Someone who will sit on any club's Grandstand and take Bowden 'out' when he threatens the playing style of the club and any future success.

I can put up with Bowden playing out his career with us, but I don't won't 'tempo-footy' rubbing off on Thursty, Moore, McGuane etc, etc.
Tempo-Footy is a cancer that is hard to reverse, and a cheap way to get kicks. As soon a you start to not want to score quickly, than you might as well pack the game in.

Stop this crap now Bowden. We are trying to nurture an attacking, free flowing style of football, and you keep grabbing the team and trying to take it back to the dark ages!

The minute I see players like Cotchy doing that chippy-chippy shit Bowden, I'm holding you personally responsible.
We look a million bucks playing attacking football, we look like uncontrollable idiots playing 'tempo-football'.

That is all.

We kicked 8 goials after he did that. 8 goals ina quarter and 8 minutes.

I'm happy with that

 

[deliberate!!]

We kicked 8 goials after he did that. 8 goals ina quarter and 8 minutes.

I'm happy with that

Like I said in a later post to the initial thread, soon after he called that, one of the other players went back straight back into attacking mode, breaking the lines and playing attacking football again.

This time, thankfully, the call of 'Tempo Football' didn't take hold and spread through the team, as has happened at wrong times in the past.

I was happier with that.

 

[WATIGE]

Like I said in a later post to the initial thread, soon after he called that, one of the other players went back straight back into attacking mode, breaking the lines and playing attacking football again.

This time, thankfully, the call of 'Tempo Football' didn't take hold and spread through the team, as has happened at wrong times in the past.

I was happier with that.

Read my earlier post - the "tempo" call caused the breaking of the lines.

Or are you "Deliberately" ignoring the counter argument?

 

[deliberate!!]

Read my earlier post - the "tempo" call caused the breaking of the lines.

Or are you "Deliberately" ignoring the counter argument?

Let's get a couple of things straight WATIGE.

1/ I don't care that you were at the game. Just cause you live in Perth means that that was one game you could get to and one I couldn't because of commitments. I've seen more Richmond games LIVE in my life than you've had pairs of sox. So don't try and pull that crap. I watched it on Foxtel on Active (multiple view). So that argument holds no water.

2/There is no counter argument. Period. We got the score we had up to when Bowden called 'Possession - Tempo Football' by taking risks, playing free flowing football. We got back into 'scoring' mode again by ignoring Bowden's call. Put a sock on your 'copping' with the Eagles game play rubbish.

3/Bowden gets a lot of bagging, because many people see how he stymies the club. You don't see it, cause you live under a rock in Perth. Smell the roses. The season doesn't consist of the 2 games played in your backwater every year. It's played everywhere else. You're the one who sees most of the Tigers games on TV pal.

4/Tempo football does serious harm to the young group of players we have AND will seriously hurt our club going forward.

So I think you should pull your head in and not me WATIGE.
See you at the Dons game? Methinks not!

(Tempo football rarely breaks line - it actually paralyzes the team attempting it!)

Cheers

 

[WATIGE]

Let's get a couple of things straight WATIGE.

1/ I don't care that you were at the game. Just cause you live in Perth means that that was one game you could get to and one I couldn't because of commitments. I've seen more Richmond games LIVE in my life than you've had pairs of sox. So don't try and pull that crap. I watched it on Foxtel on Active (multiple view). So that argument holds no water.

2/There is no counter argument. Period. We got the score we had up to when Bowden called 'Possession - Tempo Football' by taking risks, playing free flowing football. We got back into 'scoring' mode again by ignoring Bowden's call. Put a sock on your 'copping' with the Eagles game play rubbish.

3/Bowden gets a lot of bagging, because many people see how he stymies the club. You don't see it, cause you live under a rock in Perth. Smell the roses. The season doesn't consist of the 2 games played in your backwater every year. It's played everywhere else. You're the one who sees most of the Tigers games on TV pal.

4/Tempo football does serious harm to the young group of players we have AND will seriously hurt our club going forward.

So I think you should pull your head in and not me WATIGE.
See you at the Dons game? Methinks not!

(Tempo football rarely breaks line - it actually paralyzes the team attempting it!)

Cheers

So your answer is yes you are ignoring the argument.

Did you you see on your multiple view the other players answering Bowdens call? Did you see what the TEAM then did and how this resulted in the player being able to break the lines - which they hadn't been able to do in the minutes previous to Bowden making the call. It was Bowdens call that allowed them to restructure and get back to breaking the lines.

Go back and view this and give me FACTS on why it was not the right call in this situation (assuming your multiple view allows you to go back and view this).

I am not arguing about other times in other games because you are right in that I am not at the game and able to see the big picture, getting only the TV perspective.

I am also not arguing for tempo football in general as I believe that you are right in that it injudicius use can damage the uong players approach. But used well where it allows them to get it going again like yesterday it ais a useful tool.

I am only asking that you not base your anti Bowden arguments on situations where you don't have the benefit of having seen the full picture as in this case and acknowledge that this once it was actually the right call.

 

[deliberate!!]

So your answer is yes you are ignoring the argument.

Did you you see on your multiple view the other players answering Bowdens call? Did you see what the TEAM then did and how this resulted in the player being able to break the lines - which they hadn't been able to do in the minutes previous to Bowden making the call. It was Bowdens call that allowed them to restructure and get back to breaking the lines.

Go back and view this and give me FACTS on why it was not the right call in this situation (assuming your multiple view allows you to go back and view this).

I am not arguing about other times in other games because you are right in that I am not at the game and able to see the big picture, getting only the TV perspective.

I am also not arguing for tempo football in general as I believe that you are right in that it injudicius use can damage the uong players approach. But used well where it allows them to get it going again like yesterday it ais a useful tool.

I am only asking that you not base your anti Bowden arguments on situations where you don't have the benefit of having seen the full picture as in this case and acknowledge that this once it was actually the right call.

There's is no argument...........ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm not ignoring something that doesn't exist. It's not there to ignore! DUH !
You have no point. Drop it. It's a figment of your imagination.
We certainly didn't play Tempo football in the last Quarter.
Bowden's call had no long term effect on the game as it has in the past.
My point - Bowden called for Tempo in the 3RD QUARTER!!. Nobody paid any attention to him.(Thank God).
We kicked away and won the game.
Bowden needs a foot up the clacker for trying crap like that when there was no need for it. The scoreboard showed that.

deliberate!! lives in Melbourne in 2008.
WATIGE lives in Perth in a faraway, mythical time.

End of story.
Just drop it WATIGE.
Ya wrong buddy.

 

[Kyusss]

idiotic

Bowden is doing what he is told

U failed to mention how hard he chased several times yesterday
He was pretty good yet again yesterday

some Richmond fans want to be unhappy

 

[getthefooty]

Maybe holding the ball over his head meant "Lets not play Tempo footy boys, and continue to attack"

Who knows?

 

[Wallaby]

Hmm, sorry Deliberate, can't agree with you on this. Tempo Footy is part of every club's game plan now - used to change the game flow, regroup, settle the match-ups etc. Even Geelong use it on occasions.

In the old days, the trick was start a fight and flatten someone, (Dipper was an expert at it for the Hawks) - can't do that now.

Yes, it bit us on the bum against the Doggies - it didn't work - they played a brilliant last 5 minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if some senior players have the authority to call for it during play without the coach's say-so if they can see the team structure not working at the time, and players getting dragged out of position and away from the gameplan. Then the coaches and runners have time to re-set.