We will receive second band compo for Callan Ward

[TempleKelvington]

Well....as I have said....I have no issue with Ward taking the money and going, but I wanted fair compensation for losing yet another young gun to the expansion. Melbourne deserve their compensation but we derserve better than 1 first round pick.

At the end of the day we get a pick about the same pick as what we used to get Ward. But we have no compensation for the time it's taken for Ward to develop. So it's a real set back on top of Harbrow also going. Melbourne have only lost one player.

I will be interested to see what our clubs response is to this. I would expect them to appeal this. Surely there has to be some forum to appeal the decision.

It really is another nail for me as footy supporter. I must say I have been questioning where my involvement will go from here. This is almost the straw to break the back. I have just about had enough.

 

[dogga91]

couldn't agree more Ricky_lake. Im 100% in. lets all write letters, call up as many radio stations as possible, write in as many pieces as possible to the paper and make a noise.

im so over it. they always just manage to kick us while we are down dont we

 

[bulldog1982]

It shows how the system the AFL setup was flawed.

Esentially Davis' compo pick is worth more than Ward's because of where they finished up on the ladder.

If all picks are activated this year, then Scully is worth double of Ward.

Some stats worth considering:-

..........k h d m HO FF FA T G B
Scully 76 132 208 21 0 9 8 54 1 5
Ward 204 253 457 74 4 35 16 96 12 11
Palmer 110 121 231 48 0 10 5 57 6 6
Davis 21 13 34 12 0 2 2 4 0 0

Based on 2011 there is a clear winner here.


Thoughts?

 

[adam10]

We finish bottom 4 next year we could possibly have two of the top 5 picks, stop complaining and move on.

 

[divvydan]

It shows how the system the AFL setup was flawed.

Esentially Davis' compo pick is worth more than Ward's because of where they finished up on the ladder.

If all picks are activated this year, then Scully is worth double of Ward.

Some stats worth considering:-

..........k h d m HO FF FA T G B
Scully 76 132 208 21 0 9 8 54 1 5
Ward 204 253 457 74 4 35 16 96 12 11
Palmer 110 121 231 48 0 10 5 57 6 6
Davis 21 13 34 12 0 2 2 4 0 0

Based on 2011 there is a clear winner here.


Thoughts?

Bolded doesn't matter as Adelaide have no intention of using the pick in this draft. No idea what our intentions are though.

You can't base the fairness of the compensation on the stats from 1 season. Surely the mere fact that GWS are paying so much more for Scully than for Ward indicates how much more valuable he is to them and as such, the compensation formula, whilst never giving a perfect result, does the best it can with providing an objective value for the player lost.

 

[bulldog1982]

Surely it is unrealistic to think that we will finish worse than this year with a new coach providing we go better on injuries than we did this year?

 

[Butane]

We finish bottom 4 next year we could possibly have two of the top 5 picks, stop complaining and move on.

Nah, let us vent for 24 hours.

Then bring on next season!!!

 

[bulldog1982]

The value of a player to a team should have been taken into account, i agree that scully was worth more with his 6 year contract etc but double if activated in 2011?

Palmer and ward are surely more valuable than davis though.

 

[StringyDog]

Not sure why people seem to be surprised, as I said in another thread it was painfully obvious that Palmer would be band 3 as is on same coin as Harbrow Riski etc Ward and Davis are both on about 50% more which is band 2 and Scully is on 40-50 % more than Ward and Davis so band 1. It ain't gonna change so just move on and hope we use the pick next year to pick up a talented player.

 

[blowesy]

Seeing the AFL change the rules every year to screw the bulldogs over it's time the club stand up and show some actuall balls!!!
Look at Geelongs premiership list built around father and son draft picks in which they were forced to give up nothing for. At the end of their crop and the start of our batch the rules are changed. Geese wouldnt mind adding those boys we got plus the first rounders we were forced to give away too.
Then they tell us harbrow a guy with 10 years of football left is worth the same as cambell brown, to top it off they say hey, i know the guy is only 21 and was a pick 19, but hey we will give you back basically what you gave up to get him. Even though he was better than ablett at almost every key inidcator by some way at the same age. THAT IS NO COMPENSATION. Seeing they don't see the need to appeal the decision the bulldogs, THEY SHOULD TANK NEXT YEAR. I don't think we can win the flag and it's meant to be a superdraft. So lets protest this crap and play kick-to-kick all year and get picks 1 and 2 and then i will feel somewhat compensated. I'm happy to sacrifice an entire year to perhaps finally be aloud to build a premiership list with out the AFL stepping in

 

[staphy]

This is why we continually get bent over we have meek leadership, other big clubs i.e. Collingwood Eddie would be jumping up and down. This is the response from our club.

Western Bulldogs CEO Simon Garlick responded that the club was disappointed not to have received first-band compensation for Ward, but noted the AFL's reasoning.

 

[immortalmike]

Well isn't that a completely expected kick in the nuts.

Basically in order to get any value even close to equalling Ward we have to tank. But of course we won't because we can't afford to (and we shouldn' anyway). And we'll probably end up being the first team punished for tanking.

 

[fred cook]

Of course we got screwed over, we are the Western Bulldogs, remember?

Once again you want us to show you the Data AFL

Todd Curley 10 weeks for bumbing a umpire has it happened since NO

A player to rubbed by an AFL employee when the umpire said there was no case
has it happened since NO

I am sure there are many more

You ask why the above has happened because we are a small AFL club with a low fan base and they no that if they make us a scapegoat who cares.
But you know what AFL the Western suburbs is one the biggest growth areas in Australia and you are doing your best to F it up

 

[fred cook]

This is why we continually get bent over we have meek leadership, other big clubs i.e. Collingwood Eddie would be jumping up and down. This is the response from our club.

Western Bulldogs CEO Simon Garlick responded that the club was disappointed not to have received first-band compensation for Ward, but noted the AFL's reasoning.

When they are giving you hand outs what more can you say

 

[boydsno1]

Poor curley. Was in great form prior to that incident and after it never played a decent game.

 

[Beasley]

When they are giving you hand outs what more can you say

Well, they might need to give more handouts soon because members may begin to not renew due to the AFL removing hope for Bulldogs fans.

 

[dogwatch]

Whether the AFL is a bunch of unaccountable bullies acting for media interests, big business (the advertisers) and the big clubs or whether it is just plain incompetent, who can tell? I'm not big on conspiracy theories. However this much is obvious:


They clearly don't represent the interests of all clubs fairly and equally and no-one is willing and able to pull them into line. It's certainly not in the interests of the stronger clubs to do so and the smaller clubs keep their mouths shut for fear of losing their financial lifeline. So don’t expect to hear too much squawking from Garlick or Smorgon.

The AFL is theoretically answerable to the clubs but in reality it runs the show pretty much as it likes, as long as it keeps pulling in the megabucks and doesn't get a substantial majority of clubs off side.

More importantly the AFL is NOT answerable to us, the paying public, and is pretty impervious to any sort of democratic process (along the lines of writing to your local member in politics). Normally the only way we can have any impact is if enough people stay away and don't watch the footy on TV either, because that will start to hit AFL revenues. However if we do that we are mostly just hurting our own club because we'd be the only ones doing it.

So it looks like we are over a barrel (with our pants around our ankles).

The only thing that might work (though unlikely) would be a sustained campaign of direct action that would publicly embarrass Horatio Demetriou ...

...do you want to hear more?

 

[Dazb86]

Relax..... The worlds not ending.

The compo is fair IMO. If we were still a top 4 team I wouldn't agree however.

 

[Ant_]

Disappointed but not surprised the AFL have bent us over.

 

[immortalmike]

...Todd Curley 10 weeks for bumbing a umpire has it happened since NO

Curls only got 4 weeks. It was reduced to 2 IIRC. The rest I completely agree with.

 

[Leezorr]

We picked Jordan McMahon with pick 10 in 2000

Swapped him for pick 19 and used it to get Ward

So we pretty much get our money back for Jordan McMahon

I think its fair compo. We didn't lose a pick 1 after 2 years, now that would really sting, we lost a good kid who could be a very good player and we basically get our money back for him.

If we don't finish high next year we can potentially upgrade pick 10 to pick 5-9 not to bad imo.

 

[Contador]

It's not that bad.. depending on what we do with the pick. It will be a better pick than the one we used to get him. Obviously he has grown to be worth more than a pick 19 but I think two first rounders would be overdoing it a bit.

 

[RoyBoyTurnedDog]

Yep, we got screwed.....again. That seals the deal for me. 2012 HAS to be the year of the tank for us. We need 2 top 5 picks in the super draft.

Play the kids, suck it up and look to add 2 superstars to jones, libba, wallis, cordy, roughie, dahl, Howard, tutt, wood, grant....build it from the ground up.

Agree. Unfortunate as it is for Lake, Gilbee, Hargrave and Cross; we should see what they are worth on the trade table and tell them their opportunities will be limited next year. Probably Gia too. Murphy and Boyd stay for leadership value. We need to finish low next year and load up on kids starting this year. At the end of the day, would we have considered trading Ward for a first round pick - no. It is not fair compensation. At the least, a first rounder plus a second rounder should have been the deal.

 

[Unnamed1]

It's not that bad.. depending on what we do with the pick. It will be a better pick than the one we used to get him. Obviously he has grown to be worth more than a pick 19 but I think two first rounders would be overdoing it a bit.

Agree...

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Western Bulldogs CEO Simon Garlick responded that the club was disappointed not to have received first-band compensation for Ward, but noted the AFL's reasoning.

This response is just pathetic.

Speaks volumes about our standing in the scheme of things down at AFL house.

Western Nodding Dogs perhaps?