Webber and Ricciardo?

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What would be the chances of these 2 Aussies being in the same F1 team together? I reckon it would be fantastic for young Daniel and I reckon Mark would love to take him under his wing so to speak and help launch his career while Mark is in red hot form near the end of his career.

Any chance Vettel will spit it or get an offer too good to refuse elsewhere, say Mercedes?
 
Vettel is very much redbulls golden child, there is not a great deal of talent around like him, he is 24, he knows where his bread is buttered.
Ricciardo though would be eyin off Webbers approach to pension age!
 
rayven said:
Vettel is very much redbulls golden child, there is not a great deal of talent around like him, he is 24, he knows where his bread is buttered.
Ricciardo though would be eyin off Webbers approach to pension age!
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Pretty much.

Dan may get a chance next year at STR but there's still a long way before that may happen.

Chances of Webber and Ricciardo at the same time? More chance of it happening at STR when Webber is in his winddown / twilight then at RBR.

That is of course unless Vettel takes the kings cheque and moves to Ferrari for 2012 then we could be a chance to see it.
 

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Ari said:
Pretty much.

Dan may get a chance next year at STR but there's still a long way before that may happen.

Chances of Webber and Ricciardo at the same time? More chance of it happening at STR when Webber is in his winddown / twilight then at RBR.

That is of course unless Vettel takes the kings cheque and moves to Ferrari for 2012 then we could be a chance to see it.
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Webber wont move to STR, nor will STR take Webber i think.

STR is for up and comming Red Bull Youth Program drivers (to proove that the millions of $$$ theyre spending isnt wasted)

But then again, STR was for sale (not sure if it still is, but it has been for ages AFAIK), so if someone buys it then maybe Webber and Ricciardo could team up?
 
Golding said:
Webber wont move to STR, nor will STR take Webber i think.
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Webber will be 35 at the end of his Red Bull contract next year - and after running around at the front for a few years, I doubt he'll be that keen to go back to where he was and scrap in the midfield in his late 30s.

Can't see him going on past next year, personally. Potentially if he has another good year next year he might, but it's hard to tell.

I think Ricciardo will do GP2 next year and then move to STR in 2012.

rayven said:
Vettel is very much redbulls golden child, there is not a great deal of talent around like him, he is 24, he knows where his bread is buttered. Ricciardo though would be eyin off Webbers approach to pension age!
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He's only just turned 23. He'll be at Red Bull for another 2 or 3 years I'd imagine. He's too young and not ready for McLaren or Ferrari yet. This year will be very good for him in the long run - it's been difficult, but he will have learnt a lot.

He's better off to continue his learning at Red Bull, in a comfortable environment. He's very, very fast - probably the most raw speed of anyone, but there's areas he has to improve in order for him to become a complete driver. Not like the Red Bull is any billy-cart either.
 
SebastianVettel said:
Webber will be 35 at the end of his Red Bull contract next year - and after running around at the front for a few years, I doubt he'll be that keen to go back to where he was and scrap in the midfield in his late 30s.

Can't see him going on past next year, personally. Potentially if he has another good year next year he might, but it's hard to tell.

I think Ricciardo will do GP2 next year and then move to STR in 2012.



He's only just turned 23. He'll be at Red Bull for another 2 or 3 years I'd imagine. He's too young and not ready for McLaren or Ferrari yet. This year will be very good for him in the long run - it's been difficult, but he will have learnt a lot.

He's better off to continue his learning at Red Bull, in a comfortable environment. He's very, very fast - probably the most raw speed of anyone, but there's areas he has to improve in order for him to become a complete driver. Not like the Red Bull is any billy-cart either.
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'the most raw speed of anyone'.

:p

of course he's the best. there's no one better. c'mon mate. he's not even showing this in qualifying at the moment. so I don't know where he's hiding this so called 'raw speed'. which is just a (forgive me for saying this buddy) stupid term anyway. you're judged on your performances, especially comparative to your team mate and this season he has been no quicker than Webber. a 50 year old, so called laughing stock, hack driver, journeyman according to some.

he has what is probably the best car and has how many pole positions and race wins to show for it this season?

I think it's a term to merely satisfy your preference for him and to maintain the feeling of superiority you believe he has and to highlight webber's place of inferiority. but sport is a results game and he isn't getting them.
'raw speed' or not.
you're driving a motor car and the speed you've got, is the speed you deliver. obviously depending on which car you're driving the ceiling differs but yeah.
terms like 'raw speed' are quite ridiculous and in this case - just a way for you to tell everyone that vettel is the quickest driver out there. he is when he proves it mate and he hasn't yet.

success in sport is about execution under pressure. and speed is all about execution. 'raw speed' is just a poor way of saying the best executor.
 
apollo_creed said:
he has what is probably the best car and has how many pole positions and race wins to show for it this season?
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7 pole positions - which is 50% of them, but has only converted for 2 race wins (one of which came from P3) - which highlights the speed he has, but also the flaws he has at this moment in time as well.

I think it's a term to merely satisfy your preference for him and to maintain the feeling of superiority you believe he has and to highlight webber's place of inferiority. but sport is a results game and he isn't getting them.
'raw speed' or not.
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I've been nothing but glowing of Webbers performances this year. He's been outstandingly consistent - and hasn't made as many mistakes as others - and that's why he's in the box seat for the championship.

terms like 'raw speed' are quite ridiculous and in this case - just a way for you to tell everyone that vettel is the quickest driver out there. he is when he proves it mate and he hasn't yet.
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Rubbish. Raw speed and performance aren't the same thing. You can be clearly quicker than someone, but if you make more mistakes then you'll lose.
 
speed is not making errors during the course of a lap, yes?
of course it's relevant. a constant speed is achieved with an abscence of mistakes over the course of a lap. that's the basis of a fast lap time.
that's what speed is. maximising the performance of a car. you can't maximise the performance with mistakes.

'raw speed' is a totally (and the word raw is there to dress up the word following it) imperceptible comparitive point when it comes to formula one. it really is. so many different speeds, cars, set-ups, strategies, everything really. it's impossible to quantify one way or the other.
performance is easily determined and justifies arguments and is always decisive.
 
apollo_creed said:
speed is not making errors during the course of a lap, yes?
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Yes, but you can be half a second quicker than someone for 59 of 60 laps, but it only takes one moment of impetuous driving, and all the work beforehand is worthless.

That impetuousness is Seb's problem at the moment - and the reason he's got to have the best 5 drives of his life in the remaining 5 races this season, with no mistakes, to even get close to winning the WDC.

For example, Kimi was a faster driver than Alonso, with the capability to go much quicker on occasions, but was he as good? Probably not, no. Alonso's biggest weapon has always been his remarkable consistency (which has waned at times this year however), and that's why he's a dual-world champion - and still probably the best driver in F1.

Barring yesterdays howler, Hamilton has matured into a very consistent racer this year - and when added to his sheer talent/speed - he's a formidible force, and has done an amazing job this year to be in the position he is. He's certainly challenging Alonso for the title of 'best driver in F1', which is commendable.

Those 2 are on their own level, then you could probably raffle the rest on the next rung.
 
apollo_creed said:
speed is not making errors during the course of a lap, yes?
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Raw speed is about speed over one lap. The one who sets fastest laps and poles more often than the other is probably a reasonably accurate measure of whether one has more raw speed than the other.

Consistency throughout a race and performance throughout a championship season is another matter. As stated, you can be fast over one lap but it would mean nought if a mistake puts you out of the race. The point is that Vettel is fast - possibly one of the quickest drivers on the grid today, but for whatever reason he hasn't quite managed to put his talents to good use, making several costly errors throughout the season.

Webber probably isn't as quick as Vettel over one lap. But Webber's drives have been near flawless, and that consistency is paying off.
 
BomberFletch31 said:
Raw speed is about speed over one lap. The one who sets fastest laps and poles more often than the other is probably a reasonably accurate measure of whether one has more raw speed than the other.

Consistency throughout a race and performance throughout a championship season is another matter. As stated, you can be fast over one lap but it would mean nought if a mistake puts you out of the race. The point is that Vettel is fast - possibly one of the quickest drivers on the grid today, but for whatever reason he hasn't quite managed to put his talents to good use, making several costly errors throughout the season.

Webber probably isn't as quick as Vettel over one lap. But Webber's drives have been near flawless, and that consistency is paying off.
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Yeah, surely the Raw part alludes to speed solely without other factors, even making mistakes. i.e. if he were to do one lap and not crash in theory it would be faster than others?
 
SebastianVettel said:
Yes, but you can be half a second quicker than someone for 59 of 60 laps, but it only takes one moment of impetuous driving, and all the work beforehand is worthless.

That impetuousness is Seb's problem at the moment - and the reason he's got to have the best 5 drives of his life in the remaining 5 races this season, with no mistakes, to even get close to winning the WDC.

For example, Kimi was a faster driver than Alonso, with the capability to go much quicker on occasions, but was he as good? Probably not, no. Alonso's biggest weapon has always been his remarkable consistency (which has waned at times this year however), and that's why he's a dual-world champion - and still probably the best driver in F1.

Barring yesterdays howler, Hamilton has matured into a very consistent racer this year - and when added to his sheer talent/speed - he's a formidible force, and has done an amazing job this year to be in the position he is. He's certainly challenging Alonso for the title of 'best driver in F1', which is commendable.

Those 2 are on their own level, then you could probably raffle the rest on the next rung.
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qft :thumbsu:
 

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Back on the topic of Ricciardo - he had a massive prang during the first WSR race at Silverstone last weekend, but had a decent result in Race 2, with his title rival Mikhail Aleshin plodding around in midfield.

Think Daniel leads by about 3 points with 2 races to go at Catalunya next weekend I think.
 
Ricciardo started from 2nd and Aleshin from 5th in the deciding Sunday race. Points were level going into the final race, with Aleshin passing Ricciardo for 3rd position in the closing stages to take the championship by 2 points - courtesy of that pass.

Aleshin [RUS] (Carlin) 138
Ricciardo [AUS] (Tech 1) 136
Guerrieri [ARG] (ISR) 124

Cracking championship the whole way through.
 
not bad at all for a rookie!

Where to now for Ricciardo? GP2? F2? another season in FR3.5?

I dont think he'll be in F1 next year, if he does itll be with a slower team as all the decent seats are pretty much taken. If STR is still around in 2012 i think hes a shoe-in for a seat there
 
Golding said:
not bad at all for his first season in the catagory
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Absolutely. He'll be disappointed not to have won, but junior formulae results aren't always the best indicator of talent/ability - I mean Aleshin is 25 I think, while Ricciardo is only 21 as well.

And there's often different things at play as well, I mean Liuzzi cakewalked his F3000 championship and he's a spud, so winning junior titles isn't everything.

Where to now for Ricciardo? GP2? F2? another season in FR3.5?

I dont think he'll be in F1 next year, if he does itll be with a slower team as all the decent seats are pretty much taken. If STR is still around in 2012 i think hes a shoe-in for a seat there
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Has to be GP2 IMO. I'd imagine he'd get a decent drive coming off the back of a British F3 title as well as the runner up in his rookie WSR year - especially combined with his Red Bull backing, and then push for an STR seat in 2012 depending what his GP2 results are like.

Would leave him at 22/23 during his first year in F1 with a good grounding in all the main junior categories.
 
Sean. said:
Atleast we'll have someone to back once Webber goes. :) Hopefully it doesn't taken him as long to be competitive as it did for Mark.
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Will you back him the same, seeing as he doesnt have an Anglo name?
Also do you ppl ever back traditional teams, or just drivers?
 
Frankster177 said:
Will you back him the same, seeing as he doesnt have an Anglo name?
Also do you ppl ever back traditional teams, or just drivers?
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Yeah, he's an Aussie. Of course I will.

Not sure, only started getting into the sport last year and obviously was going to follow Webber. For me it's not one of those sports where you follow an individual instead of a team.
 
Frankster177 said:
Also do you ppl ever back traditional teams, or just drivers?
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Team over driver, for me. I've been a Williams fan since I started watching F1 in 1994. I support the team first, drivers (not necessarily Williams drivers) second.

Wonder how Ricciardo will go in F1. There have been some instances of drivers who aced junior formulae but didn't do well in F1. But being in RB's junior development program would help, he'd have RB F1 people to tutor him.
 

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