Webber = Australia's worst international sportman

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Ryan Briscoe destroyed around 25 cars last year in the IRL, so he should be classified worse than Webber. Mark Phillipousis, Mark Bosnich are all worse international sportsmen then Webber.

Webber can qualify well, he can't start that well, but if he had a reliable car he would do better.

He was in great positions at Monaco and Australia and had the car blow or seize up when the car looked to have a decent amount of fuel onboard meaning he was on a good strategy.

I don't really think he has had any brain explosions this year, and he was taken out by an incompetent German on Sunday.

With Alonso leaving Renault next year for McLaren, and Fisichella not impressing team owners with his lack of speed comparative to Alonso, hopefully this can lead to an opening for Webber at Renault. At least they're cars seem reliable.
 
Winston Wolf said:
if you guys are really honest, have a look at how many times Webber has had 1 or 2 silly lapses of concentration during a race and been overtaken with ease since he has been at Williams. Even when he has started on the front 2 rows he consistently loses a couple of positions before the 1st corner.
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the Williams launch system simply isn't up to scratch when he's surrounded by McLarens, Ferraris and Renaults (especially the latter).

He should have taken Flavio's advice of not going to Williams, waited and might have landed a quality drive this year or next. F1 time is definitely passing him by at 20000 RPM. The way I see it, the only move (and last chance) he has left is if Flavio hands him a lifeline at Renault.
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I think he is better off contesting for points in a Williams than he would have been plodding around in a Jaguar/Red Bull for another two years.

either way though, I get the feeling the next half a dozen races will make or break his F1 career

... and by the way, being a Monaco specialist once a year doesn't mean much by itself when there are 17 other races in a season .... Harsh but true in the world of F1
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I think you're being very harsh on the guy. you've recognised yourself that he regularly qualifies at the front of the grid, and if he had a reliable machine at his disposal, he'd be coming home in the points every week.

when one considers Williams-Cosworth's current standing, that's a hell of an achievement
 
Nip/Tuck said:
Do you realise everyone on here thinks you're a 12 year old loser with no friends, no life etc..? (evidently you are)

And the fact that you're apparently approaching 30 makes your maturity or lack of, harder to comprehend.

Do you know anything about anything?

(rhetorical question if you know what that is, because we all know the answer to it)
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My point in time years ago of him never winning a gp race is so far true. :thumbsu:

And he'll never win a race in his life. Just like Richmond wont be winning a flag anytime in the next 25+ years :D

It doesnt matter what car company he drives for, supposedly they always have mechanical problems. did they have those similar problems with other drives past and present ? And I'll stand by my comment, Webber will NEVER win a gp race EVER.

try to prove me wrong :thumbsu:
 

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Nip/Tuck said:
Do you realise everyone on here thinks you're a 12 year old loser with no friends, no life etc..? (evidently you are)

And the fact that you're apparently approaching 30 makes your maturity or lack of, harder to comprehend.

Do you know anything about anything?

(rhetorical question if you know what that is, because we all know the answer to it)
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:eek: :eek: :eek: I typed almost the exact same thing a minute a go, and I hadnt got to your post yet.
 
I have been one of the biggest critics of Mark Webber over the last two years and consider myself pretty knowledgable when it comes to motor racing. I have my reasons, and I stand by the fact that he's not a World Championship winning driver (when Renault were at the same level as Williams are now Alonso was still consistently picking up points and won two races). I stand by the fact that he's another Jarno Trulli - as in he'll be a midfield plodder with the occasional high qualy spot and 5th-8th points and the odd podium, and may get a win once or twice. Nothing more than that which is nothing to be shamed of.

BUT ...

To say he is Australia's worst international sportsman is stupid but given that that it's AaronM I'm hardly surprised. Give the guy a break, at least his failures this season haven't been down to crapness like they have with certain drivers.
 
DB10 said:
I have been one of the biggest critics of Mark Webber over the last two years and consider myself pretty knowledgable when it comes to motor racing. I have my reasons, and I stand by the fact that he's not a World Championship winning driver (when Renault were at the same level as Williams are now Alonso was still consistently picking up points and won two races). I stand by the fact that he's another Jarno Trulli - as in he'll be a midfield plodder with the occasional high qualy spot and 5th-8th points and the odd podium, and may get a win once or twice. Nothing more than that which is nothing to be shamed of.

BUT ...

To say he is Australia's worst international sportsman is stupid but given that that it's AaronM I'm hardly surprised. Give the guy a break, at least his failures this season haven't been down to crapness like they have with certain drivers.
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You are entitled to your opinion and i won't argue with your motor racing knowledge as you are one of the reasosn this board stays alive, but i do disagree with what you have said to a degree.

I don't think Renault were as bad as Williams are now, and were more reliable. Webber is usuaully not far off the pace, if not on it, in a decent car, or like at Monaco challenging for a podium, i think in a competitive car he would be more than a mid pack plodder. But as you say that is nothing to be ashamed of either.
 
Im The Gun said:
I'm not a motor sport fan at all, but is Mark Webber Australia's worst international sportsman ever?
Not only that I'm sick to death of channel 10 saying that "he wasn't to blame" and "the car just isn't good enough"
Thats rubbish, his car is good enough because his team mate does ok, and if he could drive in the first place he wouldn't be 17th on a grid of 22.
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If you knew alot about motorsport you would understand that his car is not of the same qaulity of the cars that are up the front, webber is a talented driver probably in the top 5 in F1 so get off his back
 
Webber could't even pay to win a race due to teh fact that his car cant even finish a race, But i think the guy still has potential if he gets a better drive in the next 2 seasons.
 
Oddly enough I think he has is building up some respect from everyone in one of his worst seasons for results. His motor has proved to be temperamental at best, hand grenade at worst. When the motor is going alright he has been shunted. Through all this he has kept plugging away.

Earlier on he was hyped up significantly, probably thru no fault of his own. I think people now seem as more of a hard worker with a modicum of talent.

Hope he gets a better drive next year.
 

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^^ I'd love to see Webber at Renault.

But with Fisichella already signed, the speculation is that it will be one of two Finns at Renault with Raikkonen (likely to have been signed by Ferrari) or Kovailinen (sp?) to sign with the team. If this doesn't happen the problem Webber has will be the option the Williams team has to extend the contract. Hopefully he has an out.
 
AdelUniCrowFan said:
^^ I'd love to see Webber at Renault.

But with Fisichella already signed, the speculation is that it will be one of two Finns at Renault with Raikkonen (likely to have been signed by Ferrari) or Kovailinen (sp?) to sign with the team. If this doesn't happen the problem Webber has will be the option the Williams team has to extend the contract. Hopefully he has an out.
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I heard a whisper that Red Bull might be in his future. Personally, I hope not.
 
Morons like the above post really make me laugh....... Webber was holding out for a better offer which it appears he may have from somewhere, after all I dont think he would be leaving williams if it wasnt almost certain he would be driving in F1 still. I hope he goes to Mclaren- up against alonso to see how good he really is. As for the worst aussie sportsman.... does the name mark phillipousos (or however you spell it !!!) ring a bell ??
 
I'll say it a 3rd time so listen up !

Webber will NEVER win an F1 race in his career. You can take that to the bank !
 
MrAaron said:
I'll say it a 3rd time so listen up !

Webber will NEVER win an F1 race in his career. You can take that to the bank !
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Would that be his fault?

Absolutely not.

9/10 it comes down to the car....Webber just hasn't had the car...
 

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