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No, an ignorant opinion on Welcome to Country doesn't count if you don't know the history.Ok lets break this down.
So it is ok to have an opinion but if it is considered ignorant by your opinion, than it doesn't count.
So it is best to not have an opinion, just agree with your opinion and all is good.
Got it
Have you been to an original Welcome to Country?It's not like we would get in any trouble if they didn't welcome us to a country, true or false.
This welcome to country is nothing like the original.
No, the poor grasp of the facts and bad interpretation of the words spoken make it wrong.Chief, it is my view mate, just because it is different to yours and most likely others, doesn't make it wrong.
Actually, many people have been to Welcome to Country's from pre 70s and 80s. Myself included.You mean one where I can get into trouble if I wasn't welcomed? No one in Australia has. All we know is this new one.
I don’t think you’ll get much sympathy from being ‘offended’ by an Aboriginal man saying WTC wasn’t invented for white people. So your agenda is a bit racist.
I thought it was a good explanation of the meaning of it.
Question is why'd it take so long?
You are talking about matters you really have no idea about. Maybe take some time to listen.You mean the one that wasn't invented for white people, which would be the original not this new one?
I too thought it was very well explained plus it cleared up some genuine confusion. However, it staggered me that the indigenous folk didn't think it was necessary to explain it in such detail up until now.
You listen to me,
Prior to colonisation, you could get yourself in a lot of trouble for walking on someone else’s lands without being welcomed onto those lands, so that's the original welcome to country.
So, what trouble can I get into if I wasn't welcomed to the MCG by uncle Colin, you can educate me by answering the question?
THANK YOUI am torn on this stuff. Disclaimer: I have studied and teach indigenous history.
The irony is that if I type exactly what I think/know, I'll probably end up being censored or warned by a mod who probably knows nothing about the area, or thinks they know.
The reason I'm torn is because every country seems to inevitably benefit from myth-making, but I'll say that pre-colonisation indigenous culture was tremendously varied. Different languages, traditions etc. And most of them had no clue the others existed. At all.
Maybe it's for the best that we pretend they all felt intimate connections with 'the Land', had a 'dreamtime' and 'songlines', 'smoking ceremonies' ... and chuck in a rainbow serpent if you like, too. We all sign up to the claim that footy and marngrook are intimately linked, and perhaps it's better for the culture that we do, regardless of fact.
But I'll never lose sight of the irony that at least one of the cultural groups to which we now pay tribute before games was positively genocidal. Their word for all other indigenous groups translates as "non-human", and they considered it their primary purpose in life as to wipe them out.
If you’re demanding to be paid to give a welcome to country is not that welcome diminished?Thought it was good actually - knew there would be backlash from people though - some very sensitive mites out there.
My kids - who have very much grown up with grandparents and other folk who would anytime a WTC is done state ‘why should I be welcomed to my own country’ - told me after this WTC they understood better why this tradition exists. Which made them feel like ‘oh so this isn’t for grandma who hates it anyway’.
I've always understood the theory to be that as a rule, indigenous Australians' culture was always based around the 'leave it as you found it's principle.
What we call 'advancing', they call '****ing up your environment'.
What an extraordinarily idiotic and ignorant thing to say.Sure, nothing says leave it as you found it when your the resident pyromaniacs.
It's not the most important point, but the above is not true - the first verifiable landing by Europeans in Australia was by the Dutch in 1606, a century and a half before Lieutenant (not Captain) Cook.a reference to Captain James Cook, who made the first recorded European contact with Australian land in 1770.
I am torn on this stuff. Disclaimer: I have studied and teach indigenous history.
The irony is that if I type exactly what I think/know, I'll probably end up being censored or warned by a mod who probably knows nothing about the area, or thinks they know.
The reason I'm torn is because every country seems to inevitably benefit from myth-making, but I'll say that pre-colonisation indigenous culture was tremendously varied. Different languages, traditions etc. And most of them had no clue the others existed. At all.
Maybe it's for the best that we pretend they all felt intimate connections with 'the Land', had a 'dreamtime' and 'songlines', 'smoking ceremonies' ... and chuck in a rainbow serpent if you like, too. We all sign up to the claim that footy and marngrook are intimately linked, and perhaps it's better for the culture that we do, regardless of fact.
But I'll never lose sight of the irony that at least one of the cultural groups to which we now pay tribute before games was positively genocidal. Their word for all other indigenous groups translates as "non-human", and they considered it their primary purpose in life as to wipe them out.
THANK YOU
The myth making is so tiresome, the ‘custodian of the land’ one especially.
Before and after Cook, peeps of Australia exploited each other and exploited the environment to the ends of their respective powers.
Genocidal tribal wars and species extinction - everyone was at it !
(Would just love the Marngrook - footy one to be true though !)
on Margrook? I do hope the connection is there.I suggest you widen your reading.
Went to a RAAF graduation ceremony for a family member. Had 5 acknowledgment to countries in a row for award presentation. Every officer that read out an award started with an acknowledgement.I think you're getting welcome to country and acknowledgement of country confused.
The first is an important part of indigenous culture. The second is meaningless performative crap by non-indigenous at the start of every bloody meeting, lecture, performance etc