Society/Culture The Welcome/Acknowledgment of Country thread

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To even think the welcome to country at a football game is welcoming you to Australia is ridiculous.

Specially when it's been said over and over again.

It was even said in the speech that sparked this thread, let alone the whole current debate.
Wether it's a country, or a capital city it still stands. I was born and bred in Adelaide, and certainly don't need to be welcomed to it at every sporting event I attend. I am just as native to this land as an Aboriginal. Do you say an African immigrant isn't a true Australian and as equal here as I am?
When you do something too often it loses it value, and this is the case here. Do they do the Haka in every game of Rugby in NZ? Or, do they leave it just to international games to where it holds its uniqueness?

If you are claiming the ceremony is a traditional thing, then let's look at what it was.
Traditionally, it was a protocol observed by Indigenous Australian groups to acknowledge and seek permission to enter another group's land. This practice has deep cultural and spiritual significance, recognizing the boundaries and authority of different Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander groups over their territories.

Before entering another group's land, a visitor would be required to wait at the border and only proceed when the hosts performed a formal welcome or gave permission, which could include speeches, songs, dances, or a smoking ceremony.

If it's not being used in its historical way, then it's a modern invention and shouldn't be used as traditional ceremony.
 
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Still seems incredibly self centred. You can’t be grateful for something you had no choice in. I mean if he didn’t come here then we wouldn’t know.

‘Left behind’, sometimes it’s ok not to have everything.

Yeah Cook was a bad man.

Of course, if China or Japan got here first things would have been better.
 

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Wether it's a country, or a capital city it still stands. I was born and bred in Adelaide, and certainly don't need to be welcomed to it at every sporting event I attend.

What you said there has just been debunked multiple times on this thread. It’s pretty ignorant if you haven’t read through the explanation that has been given multiple times and deliberately ignored by yourself.

I am just as native to this land as an Aboriginal.

We’re talking about a culture, not a people.

When you do something too often it loses it value, and this is the case here. Do they do the Haka in every game of Rugby in NZ? Or, do they leave it just to international games to where it holds its uniqueness?

Firstly Australia does not have a national Australian football team competing against other nations. But the purpose of the Haka as a part of the national team’s culture is different to the purpose of a Welcome to Country.

A WTC is also not performed at every AFL match; just indigenous round and finals. Special occasions, which is where a lot of the “it should only be reserved for special occasions” people say it should be, but even that offends them.

Truth is you just want it totally abolished don’t you?
 
Yeah Cook was a bad man.

Of course, if China or Japan got here first things would have been better.
Dutch probably
We would of had some sick windmills
 
Yeah Cook was a bad man.

Of course, if China or Japan got here first things would have been better.
I remember when this was a Courier-Mail opinion columnist theme.

In the 1980's.

That's the level this post is at.
 
Yeah Cook was a bad man.

Of course, if China or Japan got here first things would have been better.

Probably. Better tech, infrastructure, more collective thinking in society and family not bowing to individual wants. Education valued not belittled. Better food.
 
Invading and taking over was kind of par for the course. Every country was invaded at some point in time
Aboriginal tribes didn't commit these crimes? They were living a complete harmonious utopia?

Such revisionist shite
Don't excuse horrible acts with other horrible acts.

Plus, I don't think that somebody acted in this way in the past.
 

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I know 200 years of murder, slaughter, dispossession, stolen lands, rape, stolen families, lowered life expectancy, worse health outcomes, was just not enough. It could have been a hell of a lot worse.
See now you are just grandstanding.
YES it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

As a society, we have (by the most part) recognized and acknowledged the wrongs of the past.
As a whole, Australia is doing what it can to not make things right (because some wrongs just cant be made right) but make things better.
So the main issue I have is instead of constantly going on with what happened generations ago (which were not in our control), embrace the changes and opportunities that are the here and now.

Indigenous Australians have a voice in every corner of Australia, they are heard, respected and the admiration in the heritage grows each year.

The world has a dark past (not just Australia) and the atrocities you mentioned above were horrible, no one would doubt that (even in other countries where it has also happened). However without the use of a time machine, it cannot be changed, no matter how many times people bring it up.

So we can dwell on the past, or embrace the now and be the change we want to see.

I stand by my thoughts (and the original premise for this thread) that the WTC was disappointing and the use of the terminology BC (before Cook) was unrequired and did more harm than good.
 
Invading and taking over was kind of par for the course. Every country was invaded at some point in time
Aboriginal tribes didn't commit these crimes? They were living a complete harmonious utopia?

Such revisionist shite
Revisionist history was what I got taught at school, Aboriginal Australians had assimilated with the rest of the population and we lived happily side by side more or less, all to the tune of current hit song Living next Door To Alan by Kevin Wilson.
 
See now you are just grandstanding.
YES it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
Creepy coercive control vibes here.

Indigenous Australians have a voice in every corner of Australia, they are heard, respected and the admiration in the heritage grows each year.
As shown by the population's willingness to formalise a voice to parliament...

Oh wait. No. My mistake.

Thoughts and prayers.
 
Being British, I've only ever seen the WTC a few times, mostly before big NRL events.

I've no skin in the game but it felt a bit different to usual when I tuned in on Saturday morning. It was not what he said, he just seemed to have a bee in his bonnet and was looking to be provocative.

Suppose you can't blame him. I despise the majority of the British establishment. I imagine I'd have a bee in my bonnet if I was indigenous Australian.
 
It is the inevitability of planet earth though.

If the Romans didn't get there first the Angles would have arrived eventually anyway.
Why would you be happy with using the WORST outcome as the measure of success?

Do you accept that in other situations?

Seriously. In which other aspects of your life do you bring this up? When do accept it in the case of wrongs against yourself?

"Could have been worse" isn't an excuse. It's an observation, sure. But it means nothing in excusing yourself from rectifying a situation.

Nothing at all.
 
Invading and taking over was kind of par for the course. Every country was invaded at some point in time
Aboriginal tribes didn't commit these crimes? They were living a complete harmonious utopia?
Yes, this was colonisation as committed by the French, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, English and Belgians - and we can recognise that it was both par for the course for the Western Europeans, and also wrong, brutal, theft, and dehumanising.

Aboriginal tribes sometimes went to war with each other. That doesn't excuse the treatment of Aboriginal people post-1770, particularly slavery, massacres, family separation and ongoing racism.
 
Being British, I've only ever seen the WTC a few times, mostly before big NRL events.

I've no skin in the game but it felt a bit different to usual when I tuned in on Saturday morning. It was not what he said, he just seemed to have a bee in his bonnet and was looking to be provocative.

Suppose you can't blame him. I despise the majority of the British establishment. I imagine I'd have a bee in my bonnet if I was indigenous Australian.
I have no problem with what he said but the place was wrong.

Sport is for leisure, and I don't want a lecture.

If he made the welcoming more welcoming, it moves people a little towards the cause of bettering first nations people.
 
Horrible acts don't cause damage? Where we use the argument that is could have been worse or that's what people do, you minimize the act. Not sure that is great in healing or stopping it happening again.
Didn't say that either

Certain moronic posters are holding 1700s society to todays standards which is laughably stupid.

Invasions happened all over the world, it wasn't nice, a different time.

You're also doing this while not holding aboriginals to that new standard, why?

They'd have killed the invaders if they could, they didn't have the means as a less developed society. Guns beat spears
 

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