Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

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The race is run, the winner declared!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

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For discussion of the incoming president:

Play Nice - 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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Enjoy, all!

 

[stefcep]

Who has ever said they don’t pay tax? It’s more they don’t pay enough tax that’s the argument

How much do they pay?

 

[faible]

I can't help but think the whole tariffs thing is just bluster. I doubt it will be implemented in the manner he has suggested during his campaign

Ditto with the deportations

Colour me shocked that what Trump says and what Trump actually does won't be the same thing.

 

[TheSunGod]

Only if we agree to sell Tasmania to him.

And change their mascot to the Bald Eagle.

 

[Chief]

FYI those figures a day old and they are still counting votes.

I'm happy to wait until the full numbers are in.

Are the 2024 numbers similar to the 2020 numbers at this time in the counting process?

 

[stefcep]

That wasn't the question. What amenities are you using. Not what the value of them is.

Its irrelevant what they are. It comes down to their value.

 

[Jafa]

Where did you pull that number from?

The ether.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Not voting

One reason I believe compulsory voting will help prevent a US style political system and similar scenario taking hold in Australia.
( Although ‘dumbing down’ of the populace may prove me wrong)

 

[stefcep]

So, you are saying that people should game the situation and not pay tax.
The only people that seem to be able to do that are those that are rich.
The ones that have to pay tax seem to be middle and lower classes.

That is demonstrably false.

The top 1% of income earners lets call them the rich pay for 1 in every 5 dollars of income tax collected: $443,544.91 in tax. Each.

The top 10% of income earners pay 1 in 2 dollars of tax collected.

The top 20% pay for 7 in 10 income tax dollars.

The bottom half pay.....zero.


Here is the ignorance of the regressives in its full glory.

 

[stefcep]

Unlikely. How many different roads alone will you drive on this week?

3 km's worth.

 

[faible]

Its irrelevant what they are. It comes down to their value.

Individuals statistics | Australian Taxation Office

Statistics on most labels from the Individuals income tax return and superannuation accounts.

www.ato.gov.au

Average income tax-payer figures here.

Average per annum = $22,616
Median per annum = $12,088

There's a lot of taxpayer funded amenities we use in daily lives. I'd warrant most people get 'value' for what they'd have to spend if they paid no tax whatsoever and had to do it all themselves.

 

[stefcep]

Who has ever said they don’t pay tax? It’s more they don’t pay enough tax that’s the argument

Define "enough tax". And while you're at it define close cousin "their fair share"

 

[bourbons]

Where did you pull that number from?

Guesstimate.

What do you think it would be?

 

[stefcep]

Individuals statistics | Australian Taxation Office

Statistics on most labels from the Individuals income tax return and superannuation accounts.

www.ato.gov.au

Average income tax-payer figures here.

Average per annum = $22,616
Median per annum = $12,088

There's a lot of taxpayer funded amenities we use in daily lives. I'd warrant most people get 'value' for what they'd have to spend if they paid no tax whatsoever and had to do it all themselves.

They do because half of them would get it for free, and there's nothing cheaper than free. And why wouldn't you vote for that if you were one of them?

 

[King Patty]

way to get the rich to pay more tax would be to outlaw buy backs. they do them all the time in the USA.
If rather than that they did Dividend reinvest plans then they would need to get a dividend first then buy shares back in the company.
That would create a taxing event for the indivudal/entity.
US companies generally pay very low dividends, it ssaid this is due to reinvesting profits, but also share buybacks. which means the ones who own more of the company own even more as they purchase shares off the market for current owners.

 

[faible]

Define "enough tax". And while you're at it define close cousin "their fair share"

This might be a starting point:

Here's an exercise for you; take your net wealth, take your tax bill, work out what percentage of your net wealth you're paying as tax. Do the same for Trump, or Musk, or Bezos.

 

[faible]

half of them would get it for free

So to confirm; you're making the claim that 50% of the working age Australian population pay no tax?

 

[TheSunGod]

That parasitic worm must have eaten far more brain cells than we first thought (although it was starting from quite a low base).

Sunshine and exercise? WTF??

 

[stefcep]

This might be a starting point:

The claim was they don't pay "enough" tax. Define "enough".

 

[King Patty]

Sunshine and exercise? WTF??

View attachment 2160689

Sunshine and excercise helps a lot.

The sun God should know how important the sun doctor is

 

[spinynorman]

so Republicans cheated?
Trumps total votes similar to 2020

So the Democrats, when not in power, cheated themselves an additional 10 million votes but now that they are in power they didn’t have the capability to do this?

You might want to work on this theory.

 

[faible]

The claim was they don't pay "enough" tax. Define "enough".

I gave you a starting point to compare to your own income. However, how much of someone's income do you think should be contributed towards public amenities such as roads, healthcare, education? I'm assuming you agree of course that those are things everyone should contribute towards, so if you disagree feel free to clarify.

 

[stefcep]

Individuals statistics | Australian Taxation Office

Statistics on most labels from the Individuals income tax return and superannuation accounts.

www.ato.gov.au

Average income tax-payer figures here.

Average per annum = $22,616
Median per annum = $12,088

There's a lot of taxpayer funded amenities we use in daily lives. I'd warrant most people get 'value' for what they'd have to spend if they paid no tax whatsoever and had to do it all themselves.

You're being disingenuous and you know it. The extremely progressive tax system makes averages and medians meaningless.

 

[faible]

Sunshine and exercise? WTF??

View attachment 2160689

It's a pretty good thing for general health and wellbeing, but also it's not as though public health ignores it.

https://www.health.gov.au/topics/physical-activity-and-exercise/physical-activity-and-exercise-guidelines-for-all-australians/for-adults-18-to-64-years

 

[stefcep]

I gave you a starting point, how much of someone's income do you think should be contributed towards public amenities such as roads, healthcare, education? I'm assuming you agree of course that those are things everyone should contribute towards of course, so if you disagree feel free to clarify.

I'm not making the claim the rich don't pay enough income tax. I think they pay too much. There should be a flat 25% tax rate. No deductions, no concessions.

 

[faible]

You're being disingenuous and you know it. The extremely progressive tax system makes averages and medians meaningless.

Does it?

As you earn more, your cost of living doesn't go up proportionately.

If you're earning say, $50,000 you're spending a pretty significant portion of your income on essentials like shelter and food.
If you're earning $100,000, you're spending a lesser portion on essentials.
At $200,000, $500,000, $1,000,000 that portion continues to get smaller and smaller.

So asking someone who earns more, to pay more, is a significantly lesser burden on their ability to live.