Society/Culture The Welcome/Acknowledgment of Country thread

[Gough]

Yes, this was colonisation as committed by the French, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, English and Belgians

The Southern African 1960s defence, point to the Congo or Moz, tell the houseboy it could have been worse and I'll have another gin and tonic.

 

[eastfreo75]

Didn't say that either

Certain moronic posters are holding 1700s society to todays standards which is laughably stupid.

Invasions happened all over the world, it wasn't nice, a different time.

You're also doing this while not holding aboriginals to that new standard, why?

They'd have killed the invaders if they could, they didn't have the means as a less developed society. Guns beat spears

Never said that first nations people didn't engage in horrible things.

 

[Bostonian]

Why would you be happy with using the WORST outcome as the measure of success?

Do you accept that in other situations?

Seriously. In which other aspects of your life do you bring this up? When do accept it in the case of wrongs against yourself?

"Could have been worse" isn't an excuse. It's an observation, sure. But it means nothing in excusing yourself from rectifying a situation.

Nothing at all.

Nothing to do with happiness.

I'm talking from a view of inevitability.

I don't know what would have been the best or worst scenario.

People can hypothesis as they do with other historical events.

I accept all the time the inevitability of things.

Do you?

 

[Chief]

Nothing to do with happiness.

I'm talking from a view of inevitability.

I don't know what would have been the best or worst scenario.

People can hypothesis as they do with other historical events.

I accept all the time the inevitability of things.

Do you?

So you aren't using it to excuse anything, just hypothesising with no connection to the subject of the thread or people's claims about the legitimacy of these ceremonies or the "stop complaining" posts by other people?

No connection at all?

Are you telling porkies?

 

[Bostonian]

So you aren't using it to excuse anything, just hypothesising with no connection to the subject of the thread or people's claims about the legitimacy of these ceremonies or the "stop complaining" posts by other people?

No connection at all?

Are you telling porkies?

Like I said.

I see it as a modern day grift now.

Grifters gonna grift.

 

[kickazz]

The older generation are too easily offended.

 

[Chief]

Like I said.

I see it as a modern day grift now.

Grifters gonna grift.

So I'm still unclear where the "could have been worse" post comes in.

 

[jakson68]

Not emotional just fact based . You are downplaying facts with a cover all term of 'historical context'.
The context being that it was just the done thing back in the day.

Sorry to break it to you but it is not just back in the day, it still happens in the world now.

The difference is Australia has evolved to embrace the wrongs of the past and be better for it.
Sadly that will never be good enough for some (yes you) because even though there isn't a person in Australia who is to blame for the evils of the past, we must feel guilty for it.
And if a person doesn't feel guilty, they are branded a racist, all because some untanned f*ckwit landed his boat on a bit of dirt two centuries ago.

You can call me a racist with what I am about to say but so be it.

I dont care too much for your bit of land, my bit of land, our bit of land, their bit of land.
If you take away all the water in the world, it is the same bit of land.
All we can do is just be the best version of ourselves where we are in the world.

Humans as a whole are the best and also the worst thing to happen to this planet and we haven't finished f*cking it up yet.

I am not concerned by the acts of a couple of centuries ago, as much as I am concerned of the possible acts in the next couple of centuries.
At least I wont be around to see it, I just wonder who will be.

 

[Bostonian]

So I'm still unclear where the "could have been worse" post comes in.

I never said "could have been worse". You're confusing some other posters post.

 

[schneebly111]

I have no problem with what he said but the place was wrong.

Sport is for leisure, and I don't want a lecture.

Replace ‘lecture’ with ‘explanation’ and you’ll have a better word to describe the weekend’s WTC.

If he made the welcoming more welcoming, it moves people a little towards the cause of bettering first nations people.

No because the people who hate the WTC will hate it regardless.

 

[Chief]

The older generation are too easily offended.

While telling everyone else they shouldn't be offended.

 

[schneebly111]

And if a person doesn't feel guilty, they are branded a racist, all because some untanned f*ckwit landed his boat on a bit of dirt two centuries ago.

Are they actually branded that or is that just a strawman fantasy that lives rent free in the heads of easily offended conservatives?

 

[eastfreo75]

Replace ‘lecture’ with ‘explanation’ and you’ll have a better word to describe the weekend’s WTC.



No because the people who hate the WTC will hate it regardless.

Explanation is a lecture.

 

[schneebly111]

While telling everyone else they shouldn't be offended.

If anything Brendan’s WTC should have been celebrated as “politically incorrect” and “larrikin” because he didn’t give a watered down passion free statement, he spoke truths that offended some and he spoke from the heart using his freedom of speech.

Isn’t that exactly what the “anti woke free speech” brigade want? Or only for comments they agree with?

 

[Bostonian]

Are they actually branded that or is that just a strawman fantasy that lives rent free in the heads of easily offended conservatives?

Well we have people in this thread labelling people racist.

Granted it's the same two people who do it in every thread they are on.

 

[schneebly111]

Explanation is a lecture.

No it isn’t. I can explain something to you without it being a lecture.

 

[schneebly111]

Well we have people in this thread labelling people racist.

Granted it's the same two people who do it in every thread they are on.

But is it for “not feeling guilty” or other things which are demonstrably racist?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Well we have people in this thread labelling people racist.

Granted it's the same two people who do it in every thread they are on.

If it's not racism what do you call it?

 

[Bostonian]

But is it for “not feeling guilty” or other things which are demonstrably racist?

With these two it's for not agreeing with them.

 

[jakson68]

The older generation are too easily offended.

It isn't just the older generation.
If anything, the younger generation are offended, if they are not offended.

 

[eastfreo75]

No it isn’t. I can explain something to you without it being a lecture.

Explanation is to educate others and a lecture educates.

Ok then.

 

[Chief]

If anything Brendan’s WTC should have been celebrated as “politically incorrect” and “larrikin” because he didn’t give a watered down passion free statement, he spoke truths that offended some and he spoke from the heart using his freedom of speech.

Instead they want the whole thing shut down because the venerated "just a different opinion" doesn't apply to brown and black people.

 

[schneebly111]

With these two it's for not agreeing with them.

Could you revise an example because all you’re doing is making a blanket accusation with evidence.

Usually I find when people sook about “Wah Wah Wah you can’t say anything without the lefties calling it racist anymore!” they’ve just said something fairly racist.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Sorry to break it to you but it is not just back in the day, it still happens in the world now.

The difference is Australia has evolved to embrace the wrongs of the past and be better for it.
Sadly that will never be good enough for some (yes you) because even though there isn't a person in Australia who is to blame for the evils of the past, we must feel guilty for it.
And if a person doesn't feel guilty, they are branded a racist, all because some untanned f*ckwit landed his boat on a bit of dirt two centuries ago.

You can call me a racist with what I am about to say but so be it.

I dont care too much for your bit of land, my bit of land, our bit of land, their bit of land.
If you take away all the water in the world, it is the same bit of land.
All we can do is just be the best version of ourselves where we are in the world.

Humans as a whole are the best and also the worst thing to happen to this planet and we haven't finished f*cking it up yet.

I am not concerned by the acts of a couple of centuries ago, as much as I am concerned of the possible acts in the next couple of centuries.
At least I wont be around to see it, I just wonder who will be.

Great Speech.
The best version of ourself is voting against The Voice and everything is cool and no one is to blame, got it.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I’m not downplaying anything
I’m acknowledging both sides of the coin

As we should with all historical figures

Should we call the Ancient Greek philosophers horrible people because they practiced pederasty or look at it through the context of what was accepted at the time?

Unfortunately for the best part of 200 years we have only heard one side of the story. A lot of people seem exceptionally challenged when they are presented with another.