Society/Culture The Welcome/Acknowledgment of Country thread

[Kram]

Don't mind WTC when it's accurate. Might want to fact check Aboriginals being here for 250k years though.

The corporate bullshit is what I find annoying. I can't imagine why First Nations people need or want to be acknowledged before every meeting by corporate Australia.

The guy on weekend came across as a bit of a knob, only other complaint is from a woman earlier in the season just reading it off her
Mobile phone, I mean that's dedication. Otherwise they are usually pretty good.

As I said in another thread work just reading out the acknowledgement at the start of PD sessions and even worse randomly whacking it on after a list of their contacts (I'm mean wtf?) I almost find insulting.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

To even think the welcome to country at a football game is welcoming you to Australia is ridiculous.

Specially when it's been said over and over again.

It was even said in the speech that sparked this thread, let alone the whole current debate.

This x 1000.

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[Bostonian]

Thats not even close to being true.

Go argue with these types of people then.

6 Early Human Civilizations | HISTORY

Architecture, agriculture, art and more first blossomed in these cultures.

www.history.com

What's the world's oldest civilization?

Did the first civilization arise in Mesopotamia, or elsewhere?

www.livescience.com

Key Components of Civilization

Civilization describes a complex way of life characterized by urban areas, shared methods of communication, administrative infrastructure, and division of labor.

education.nationalgeographic.org

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I mean where in any discourse are we told to pretend that indigenous people are completely innocent?

I could sell 17 bales of hay with the amount of strawmanning going on in this thread

So Indigenous people were guilty of attacking an invading force with rocks and spears even thoigh the invading force had guns?
Quite a statement there.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Go argue with these types of people then.

6 Early Human Civilizations | HISTORY

Architecture, agriculture, art and more first blossomed in these cultures.

www.history.com

What's the world's oldest civilization?

Did the first civilization arise in Mesopotamia, or elsewhere?

www.livescience.com

Key Components of Civilization

Civilization describes a complex way of life characterized by urban areas, shared methods of communication, administrative infrastructure, and division of labor.

education.nationalgeographic.org

You're referring to farming. Culture is different.
The Indigenous culture is over 65,000 years.
Not sure why you keep saying that. Maybe you're trying to say Indigenous people were uncivilised even though they had complex custom and lore and an intimate knowlege and control of their environment and a wide range of medicines .

 

[Bostonian]

I think you'll find it's now believed to be 10,000 - 12,000 BCE

See Gobekli Tepe

Gobekli Tepe from what I've read which was to be fair quite a few years ago stated their diggings hadn't found anything to suggest people were living there.

 

[Bostonian]

You're referring to farming. Culture is different.
The Indigenous culture is over 65,000 years.
Not sure why you keep saying that. Maybe you're trying to say Indigenous people were uncivilised even though they had complex custom and lore and an intimate knowlege and control of their environment and a wide range of medicines .

I'm referring to these...

Key Components of Civilization

Civilization describes a complex way of life characterized by urban areas, shared methods of communication, administrative infrastructure, and division of labor.

education.nationalgeographic.org

There are components/characteristics required to be considered a civilization.

 

[Rotayjay]

You can't deny that at least some are getting turned off by things like welcome to country before games and acknowledgement of country before meetings. The question is: are those people all going to die off, or will people still be getting annoyed in fifty years' time?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

You can't deny that at least some are getting turned off by things like welcome to country before games and acknowledgement of country before meetings. The question is: are those people all going to die off, or will people still be getting annoyed in fifty years' time?

Or will it still be going in fifty years’ time?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I'm referring to these...

Key Components of Civilization

Civilization describes a complex way of life characterized by urban areas, shared methods of communication, administrative infrastructure, and division of labor.

education.nationalgeographic.org

There are components/characteristics required to be considered a civilization.

Ok time to move on, nothing to do with Welcome to Country.

 

[tandino]

The difference is a lot of Australians believe the WTC/AOC and other Indigenous culture is not a part of their “Australian” culture. That is something separate to their culture, and therefore want no part of it.

Is Indigenous culture just another strand in a multicultural Australian society, that sits alongside the cultures brought here by 30% of foreign born residents, the half of the country with one foreign born parent, the countless events like Diwali and Ramadan and Chinese New Year that make up the rhythm of the year? They are all worthy of respect, and though not universally held beliefs that run through the country, have their space in a broader view of Australian culture.

The WTC as a first verse of the national anthem, if you like, works great and is perfectly acceptable, though it is contingent on broad popular support (or at least acceptance) and organisational support. I wouldn't have said it was ingrained (I think support would drop off pretty quick if 'spicy' WTC's were to become common), it probably exists in a 'don't push your luck' kind of way.

I think AOC is a different matter. I don't really move in those type of corporate circles but I could see it becoming a little tedious and something to endure through overuse. But I hardly come across it and it's fairly inoffensive when I do. I suspect for a majority, the states, towns, regions, and to a much lesser extent, LGA's speak more to their personal identity and thus carry more meaning than the traditional lands. As such the impact on broader Australian culture is fairly limited, though it may change in time.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Captain Cook had many agendas in coming to the other side of the world. Scientific, adventure, exploration and keeping the British Empire as the pre eminent place it was. Every nation and people’s on earth from the tribal to the empirical was about this. I don’t see any problem with Cook, he is one of the most important and remarkable men to have ever lived. We wouldn’t have the country we have without him.
I don’t mind acknowledging Aboriginal cultures and histories, but I would be a hypocrite if I weren’t grateful for the fact that me and my ancestors also moved here, like the aboriginal’s did before my ancestors. Progress has always come to all parts of the earth. You progress or you get left behind. We are all very lucky it was the British people who pioneered this land because English Common Law is still the most progressive and most just and merciful of all systems yet devised. We wouldn’t even have football and the best lifestyle in the world without it.

Have to agree with this … maybe we can ask the canary islanders about Spanish colonisation …

oh wait..

 

[Shane Heard]

So that means he shouldn't have told the truth?

You always put these type of barbs in.

Sometimes..you’re a bigger troll than the ones you green tick to suspend.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I think they call it race baiting .

The racist posters have arrived.

 

[Shane Heard]

The racist posters have arrived.

And the usual suspects flock in to dilute the issue of ‘ WTC ‘ and muddy the waters of commonsense conversation with mindless word drool.

It’s not helpful..no matter how passionate you are about it all.

 

[Chief]

the issue of ‘ WTC ‘

Why is there even an issue?

 

[Shane Heard]

Why is there even an issue?

Why do you constantly answer questions with a question?

How about you say what you mean ..what you believe on certain “ sensitive subjects”

Even though you run the joint, you’re really just another poster with an opinion that is just as valid as anyone else’s.

I peeves me that you’re always on the fence trying to encourage arguments.

It’s been going on for years mate.

 

[CredibleSauce]

Is Indigenous culture just another strand in a multicultural Australian society, that sits alongside the cultures brought here by 30% of foreign born residents, the half of the country with one foreign born parent, the countless events like Diwali and Ramadan and Chinese New Year that make up the rhythm of the year? They are all worthy of respect, and though not universally held beliefs that run through the country, have their space in a broader view of Australian culture.

The WTC as a first verse of the national anthem, if you like, works great and is perfectly acceptable, though it is contingent on broad popular support (or at least acceptance) and organisational support. I wouldn't have said it was ingrained (I think support would drop off pretty quick if 'spicy' WTC's were to become common), it probably exists in a 'don't push your luck' kind of way.

I think AOC is a different matter. I don't really move in those type of corporate circles but I could see it becoming a little tedious and something to endure through overuse. But I hardly come across it and it's fairly inoffensive when I do. I suspect for a majority, the states, towns, regions, and to a much lesser extent, LGA's speak more to their personal identity and thus carry more meaning than the traditional lands. As such the impact on broader Australian culture is fairly limited, though it may change in time.

It’s not even just meetings, I do often wonder whether the pre recorded AOC at the beginning/end (sometimes both) of every tv show and podcast episode produced in Australia feels more than flippant and tedious to anyone else…

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

And the usual suspects flock in to dilute the issue of ‘ WTC ‘ and muddy the waters of commonsense conversation with mindless word drool.

It’s not helpful..no matter how passionate you are about it all.

The WTC is not up to the bigfooty posters, it's an Indigenous people thing.
It won't be stopped or altered unless they want it to so get used to it.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Revisionist history was what I got taught at school, Aboriginal Australians had assimilated with the rest of the population and we lived happily side by side more or less, all to the tune of current hit song Living next Door To Alan by Kevin Wilson.

What school taught that?

I went to school from 80s onwards, and no one ever taught me anything but that we had displaced aborigines.
There was no cover up or truth untold.

In fact I grew up understanding that Victoria had genocided the aborigines, which was why I never saw any, except when we would drive through st Kilda

That was exaggerated I found out much later

 

[BigPond101]

What he said counters the biggest criticism "I was born here why do I need to be welcomed to my own country?"

Unfortunately the extremist university educated pro terrorist left wing student press twisted it to "White people suck." Their only goal is to bring about a race war

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

So let’s get this right, CC had no agenda coming to Australia? And what happened beyond his arrival had nothing to do with him seeing the country as viable for colonisation?

Back then colonisation wasn’t seen as the baaaaaad thing that the “progressives” have now decided it is.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I'll admit it does get terribly overused, especially when white upper managers do it in every Teams/Zoom meeting but there seems to be an abundance of people who think they're being 'welcomed' to Australia and cry "BuT i WaS BOrN HerE!!!!" without having any understanding of what the actual purpose of it is.

So, Brendan Kerin was entirely correct when he said it "wasn't for white people", because it's been around far longer than that.

Not in the current form though. It’s been turned into a performance for the very people it’s not for!

 

[Lsta062]

I mean, it wasn’t something made for white people. I wonder if the people offended by this are the same people that call others snowflakes

 

[demondavey]

Back then colonisation wasn’t seen as the baaaaaad thing that the “progressives” have now decided it is.

Ah, so it’s ok because progressives have decided colonising land and committing mass murder is baaaaaaad.

See yourself out..