He played 3 games in 2019. Not sure you can use averages as an argument when there is so little data.
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You can still use the data whilst acknowledging the sample size is smaller digga. He still played... he still tackled... it's still relevant?
Didn't you ever go to uni?
I'm an electrical engineer.
I mean if we brought this year's sample size down to 2019s I could cherry pick his 3 best tackling games this year of 4, 3 and 3 and he ends up with the same average as last year?
My point is he was an average player at GWS and he's an average player with us, you've lumped him in the same bracket as Wellingham, Redden and Jetta Witherden who were all far better footballers coming over. His output isn't that different to what he has produced at GWS.
Well yes, but that would be cheating and messing with the stats son. You can't cherry pick some juicy games. They are what they are.
Or i'd run back to Marsdens round 23 2011 game vs the Lions at the Gabba.
It's not like i thought Langdon would be a gun, but expected he'd bring something Petch and Ryan did not. Turns out his point of difference has diminished.
That's all i'm highlighting, so why you gotta fight me?
On the plus side, he's better than that square-headed teacher we plucked out of the amateurs, and also Anthony Treacy who seems to have fallen into Spingfield's Mystery Spot with Ozzie Smith.
By which I mean he's alternating between League and Reserves for Claremont.
By which I mean he's alternating between League and Reserves for Claremont.
I see this argument used a but but you have to remember Jamie in 2013 was young enough to be a rising star nominee and even in 2013 he was 23. Langdon is legit isn’t a young player and is 27 next season.
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Langdon is depth. With a full squad he isnt getting picked. He's basically the Hutchings of the forward line.
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Whoa. Lot of negative feelings for legs. Anyone watched the replay of Sundays game? Dare any of you to line up 3 bottles of vodka and take a shot every time you see Langdon at a contest. He barely missed one all day, probably got to more contests than Gaff. You'll see him on the last line of defence and by the time we're having a shot on goal 4 plays later [in which he probably was a linkup player somewhere in between] he'll be in that play as well. Did an amazing amount of work in Adelaide game, aren't we always complaining that west coast are always outnumbered at every contest? I'm serious, rewatch the game and count how many times you see Langdon get his mug on the tv, guy is elite photobomber at AFL level. Works as hard as anyone out there and while you are watching take note at how many of his disposals were part of successful chains of ball movement, how often he chooses the right option to release to, which was quite often doesn't take the first release option and finds Hurn or Shuey instead who then hit a forward on the tit. Add to this he beat his direct opponent 1v1 in marking contests twice I think, and also got himself a shot of goal or 2. Criticism of his tackling I don't really see it, he is making it to a lot of contests and structuring up outside while letting the mids to what they do, he works hard to puts pressure on when its his turn to go. Inside forward 50 he did give away 2 free's for high tackles which were kinda unlucky so those would not have counted as tackles on his stats but the fact is he was there and he did tackle.
All in all, has greatly improved over the course of the season. Does too much work to be dropped. And if you don't compare him to players he's not, ie highly skilled goal scorers like Ryan and Rioli and [spew, Cripps] then he can be appreciated for playing the different role he plays. Which by the way, is the reason Cripps gets to play closer to goal and kick 5. I see Simpson being very pleased with him behind the scenes. I think he stays in the side for as long as he turns in performances like that one. Like I said he's played in all 9 of our wins. When Rioli comes back I don't think Langdon will be going out. I think is Petch and Langdon keep working hard in their high half forward roles Cripps and Ryan stay closer to goal and Rioli comes in on the bench to chop those guys out until he can get a full preseason behind him. In 2022 I think that Cripps is the small forward that is in the most trouble. Though if Petch makes a transition to full-time winger [likely I'd say] then we still probably play all 4 of Ryan, Rioli, Cripps and Langdon. Both Cripps and Langdon have contracts that take them to 2023, old man Cripps is going to be under a lot of pressure to hold his spot over Langdon if they find themselves competing for the one spot because Cripps has primarily held his spot on the back of not kicking goals but instead the amount of running he does up the ground, Langdon is younger fitter tougher and I think smarter than him in that role, will be an interesting battle.
All in all, has greatly improved over the course of the season. Does too much work to be dropped. And if you don't compare him to players he's not, ie highly skilled goal scorers like Ryan and Rioli and [spew, Cripps] then he can be appreciated for playing the different role he plays. Which by the way, is the reason Cripps gets to play closer to goal and kick 5. I see Simpson being very pleased with him behind the scenes. I think he stays in the side for as long as he turns in performances like that one. Like I said he's played in all 9 of our wins. When Rioli comes back I don't think Langdon will be going out. I think is Petch and Langdon keep working hard in their high half forward roles Cripps and Ryan stay closer to goal and Rioli comes in on the bench to chop those guys out until he can get a full preseason behind him. In 2022 I think that Cripps is the small forward that is in the most trouble. Though if Petch makes a transition to full-time winger [likely I'd say] then we still probably play all 4 of Ryan, Rioli, Cripps and Langdon. Both Cripps and Langdon have contracts that take them to 2023, old man Cripps is going to be under a lot of pressure to hold his spot over Langdon if they find themselves competing for the one spot because Cripps has primarily held his spot on the back of not kicking goals but instead the amount of running he does up the ground, Langdon is younger fitter tougher and I think smarter than him in that role, will be an interesting battle.
The problem with langdon is two fold.
1. He's slow which makes playing as defensive forward difficult (he has the mindset, intent and the running power)
2. He can't clear more than 40 metres with his kicks over a player. If he's more than 35 metres out he needs to pass off. Now if he had the game sense of Caleb Daniel and the skills it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but he doesn't. (I still consider Caleb Daniel a liability and as an AFL coach I would be looking to take advantage of it)
He is a limited player who can play a role but will never be best 22 as he doesn't have the traits for a permanent role in a top side. He will last his contract and if Cameron doesn't grow the **** up and get his shit together he might get another year on top.
1. He's slow which makes playing as defensive forward difficult (he has the mindset, intent and the running power)
2. He can't clear more than 40 metres with his kicks over a player. If he's more than 35 metres out he needs to pass off. Now if he had the game sense of Caleb Daniel and the skills it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but he doesn't. (I still consider Caleb Daniel a liability and as an AFL coach I would be looking to take advantage of it)
He is a limited player who can play a role but will never be best 22 as he doesn't have the traits for a permanent role in a top side. He will last his contract and if Cameron doesn't grow the **** up and get his shit together he might get another year on top.
I have interviewed thousands of engineers and they are of the opinion that electrical engineers are gimps.
That explains why you think you know everything
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Electrical engineer you say? You should pop over to the jabby jab jab thread where you'll be just as qualified as the poo doctors being quoted by the anti-vaxxer brigade
Jokes on you, i'm just a loser. With a large phallus
My joke is based on someone a few years ago (can't recall who), that thought their opinion was more valuable, as they were an actual engineer.
Fivey might remember. He trolls people arguably more than i do on here.
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His set shot from 40 on the weekend cleared the fence not just the line. Every one that has fallen short this year so far he at least looked like he expected it to make the distance, as did everyone else on the field. I'm wondering if he has been clamping up out of nerves or something and just not striking them properly. Time will tell.
I'm more than happy for him to be a 5 kick 10-15 handball type of player though, for every spot he works his arse off to get to up the ground for an easy uncontested mark, if there is a player running past for a handball receive who is an elite kick then that works beautifully for us. When is Gaff every fast at doing anything while covering his 15km per game? If Langdons instructions are to patrol the corridor working up and down the field all day as a linkup option>get possession> handball release to Shuey, Hurn, Rotham, Witherdon ie elite kickers then our ball movement is going to greatly improve.
Edit: I don't even think it has to be Langdon doing this kind of thing per se. I just think that the team lacks work ethic compared to other teams that seem to monster us with superior possession game and having small blokes who can run all day helps us break even or get ascendancy. Masten was a great whipping boy for having downsides but was also best 22 under Simmo, Rosa used to be similar, Cripps for 99% of his game where he doesn't kick 5 goals is also down just as being in the side to run etc etc. Who is fit enough to do this who is not in the 22 that played on the weekend? If we compare Langdon to Masten I don't think Masto being faster over 20m made him better suited to this role, Masto got caught holding the ball more than any other player in the team when he was defensive wing. Langdon is getting to spots around the ground that see's him one way or another with the ball in hand, and he's generally disposing of that ball effectively once he has it, and we often end up with a shot on goal in that chain of play. Someone in the side needs to be doing this, he may not look pretty but who else has the tank or the smarts for it?
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Lol^ This kent is actually correct
Jokes on you, i'm just a loser. With a large phallus
My joke is based on someone a few years ago (can't recall who), that thought their opinion was more valuable, as they were an actual engineer.
Fivey might remember. He trolls people arguably more than i do on here.
Oh you're an electrical engineer are ya? V = ir
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WCE_phil I guess I forgot who I was talking to there for a minute, Someone in the side needs to be doing this, he may not look pretty but who else has the tank or the smarts for it? in B4 Snake Waterman haha.
You could make a strong argument that that would be the case, I'll entertain it.
You could make a strong argument that that would be the case, I'll entertain it.
Usually lack the social awareness yes, but book smart.
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Lads, take it to the Is Zack Langdon and Electrical Engineer Who Lacks Social Awareness or Does Zack Langdon Have Footballer Legs threads please. Geez. This is the official will Zac Langdon have my babies and isn't he obviously best 22 and already our best player zone.
which thread?
Subway thread
Nice Reid is that bloke who'll be 75 in the pub and tot out the "I played for West Coast back in the day" line on any unsuspecting stranger who sits nearby
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