Were the supporters the x-factor?

[100volt1]

Cast your mind back to the 2018 prelim final, our players come out and the supporters ring a chant around the MCG, we go again when Richmond run out.

Fast forward 365 days later, we play GWS at the MCG with 99% of the crowd Collingwood supporters. Two players on the media during the week commented on how much the supporters get the players inspired and hyped for a big game.

The players come out on Saturday and three bays on level one of the Ponsford try to get it going. To no avail of the rest of the MCG.

The whole first quarter was flat, the atmosphere was eerily similar to just another H/A mid-season fixture with nothing on the line. It wasn't until we got going in the fourth quarter where the supporters finally find their voice and lift.

Did we leave it too late? Were we as supporters the catalyst for a result? Were we the x-factor? Did we fail as supporters?

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[100volt1]

This isn't a thread for AFLW by the way. Could the mods please change it?

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[jmac70]

Probably something to do with the rain.

 

[Robroy22]

Finally....a thread that stops hanging it on the players!
Yep...I'll take some of the blame. I wasn't loud enough through the rain.

 

[Black_White]

No.
The reason for the comeback is simply explained.
As all teams that are 5 goals up, with the opposition having scored less than 4 goals in almost three quarters will do, GWS turned their focus to next week.
Preserving yourself from injury, trying not to expend your energy.
This is the reason they lost control of a game they had well under control.
This is the reason for the comeback.

 

[Mukesh]

No.
The reason for the comeback is simply explained.
As all teams that are 5 goals up, with the opposition having scored less than 4 goals in almost three quarters will do, GWS turned their focus to next week.
Preserving yourself from injury, trying not to expend your energy.
This is the reason they lost control of a game they had well under control.
This is the reason for the comeback.

Indeed... when Cameron kicked that goal in the last I can imagine the Giants thinking...Cool, we are in a Granny... at the same time the Pies thinking.. Oh f%$k we are gonna miss a Granny, time to extract the digit and get a bit of urgency going... such a terrible shame they never considered that prospect from the first bounce... it's a little bewildering to a simple guy like me.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Yep, was shocked by the eerie quiet for most of the game, particularly at the start. I was at the other prelim and the build-up was different.

Maybe we needed more supporters leaning over the fence to yell at Pendles and Sidey telling them they're past it to get them fired up.

 

[Pie thon]

Yep agree. i was disappointed with the crowd noise. Didnt expect the first 3 qtrs to be so quiet.
No sense of giving our players momentum or intimidating the visitors with our sound until the surge in the last quarter

 

[domus]

Cast your mind back to the 2018 prelim final, our players come out and the supporters ring a chant around the MCG, we go again when Richmond run out.

Fast forward 365 days later, we play GWS at the MCG with 99% of the crowd Collingwood supporters. Two players on the media during the week commented on how much the supporters get the players inspired and hyped for a big game.

The players come out on Saturday and three bays on level one of the Ponsford try to get it going. To no avail of the rest of the MCG.

The whole first quarter was flat, the atmosphere was eerily similar to just another H/A mid-season fixture with nothing on the line. It wasn't until we got going in the fourth quarter where the supporters finally find their voice and lift.

Did we leave it too late? Were we as supporters the catalyst for a result? Were we the x-factor? Did we fail as supporters?

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I am always bemused by the lack of understanding of human nature some people exhibit. When the first quarter began it was teeming down, the rain was sleeting on an angle-my son, mate and I were in the open. I was soaking wet even though I was wearing a water proof Collingwood jacket. My legs were soaked. A freezing cold wind was blowing and the game was a tight, tense low scoring, ugly arm wrestle until the third term when all of the goals were scored by the opposition. Hard to get noisy in that situation.

I thought the crowd response when they ran out was good. But the whole environment was not conducive to an electric atmosphere. I was also disheartened by the rain because it meant we were in for a hard, ugly slog and that is what it was.

The days and nights I have attended where the noise was incredible contained a number of elements missing on Saturday. Perfectly fine weather-almost summer like, a crowd starved of success ( Pies vs Adelaide) in 2002, a crowd hungry for redemption and the reward of a GF after to losing to Geelong in two prelims prior to the prelim in 2010. The weather that night was sublime and the fact you have an opposition support base who are also vocal only adds to the atmosphere. The prelim last year was against a much hated club whose support base rivals ours, the hunger was very real, the hope for revenge for earlier losses during the year was a factor and glorious summer like weather all combined to create a perfect cocktail for the crowd to be hyped and loud. It was also a high scoring a fast moving. Everything our Giants clash was not. The 2018 Grand final was the loudest grand final I have attended and I've been to plenty. It was again, a game with fine weather, electric football, a hunger for this bunch of much loved players with so many back stories and our beloved Bucks to finally be rewarded. The 2011 granny was the quietist I've ever been to and I still don't know why. It was great footy and tight for three quarters. There seemed to be a huge number of theatre goers that day.

Unlike soccer crowds, we rarely manufacture crowd noise. It is usually organic and feeds off the actual action on the ground. Howe said the crowd in the last term was the loudest he has ever heard. Why? We were finally grabbing control of the game, playing on quickly and scoring. Rest assured, this will always be the case. When the crowd did start up the chant in the second term after Pendlebury's goal all the air was sucked out of us when the review showed it was touched.

 

[loki04]

On the TV the crowd was very subdued from the outset, even when both teams ran out of the race compared to our first final it was almost silent. No loud boos for GWS and when pies ran out all you could hear was the club song crowd was dead.

 

[domus]

No.
The reason for the comeback is simply explained.
As all teams that are 5 goals up, with the opposition having scored less than 4 goals in almost three quarters will do, GWS turned their focus to next week.
Preserving yourself from injury, trying not to expend your energy.
This is the reason they lost control of a game they had well under control.
This is the reason for the comeback.

I don't agree. It's all about momentum. I've played footy at a local level and momentum plays the same role. Not one Giants player went in for the pill with less aggression or commitment at any stage of the final term. Not one Giants player chose to run for the pill or with it at anything other than optimum pace.

Footy games always have momentum swings and it is a matter of making the most of yours when it comes. When we got the first goal there was no sense that it was going to be the beginning of an amazing comeback. The fact that the snap by Thomas came so quickly after Stevo's goal is was what roused the crowd into believing a miracle could occur. The noise became intense. The players heard it and got an adrenaline surge and renewed belief. The Giants players tightened in their guts just a fraction as they realized there was time for them to yet lose this game. The weather finally cleared so we were able to ran and share the pill with more confidence. It is always a combination of factors.

We went into full attack mode with 15 minutes left because to do otherwise meant we have lost. The Giants become more defensively minded rather than proactive as they had been for three quarters. Their defensive mindset enables us to have repeat entries into our forward line and this means more chances to score. Momentum is like an avalanche. It just rolls on and if you grab your chances the snowball just gets bigger and bigger and harder to stop. Time beat us in the end.

 

[Markfs]

i said to my fellow pie supporter just before the game..... a huge pie crowd is a benefit if we start well but it becomes a noose around the neck if things dont go well... extra pressure on the players. crowd needed to chant but who am i to say, i wasnt there...

leon cameron said the improving conditions probably helped the pies in the last quarter. I think he was right. And after cameron's goal, they thought that they had it won

 

[anshell]

I think there were a few reasons for the lack of crowd noise.The weather for a start.People don't like sitting in the rain anymore,and it does suppress crowd noise.The drab state of the game.We only kicked three goals until three quarter time and didn't score for more than an hour.And finally,with the crowd being so one sided there was no competition from the opposition supporters and it didn't draw a response from our supporters.

 

[domus]

On the TV the crowd was very subdued from the outset, even when both teams ran out of the race compared to our first final it was almost silent. No loud boos for GWS and when pies ran out all you could hear was the club song crowd was dead.

It was loud enough at the ground. You should have been there to add another voice.

 

[Robroy22]

I am always bemused by the lack of understanding of human nature some people exhibit. When the first quarter began it was teeming down, the rain was sleeting on an angle-my son, mate and I were in the open. I was soaking wet even though I was wearing a water proof Collingwood jacket. My legs were soaked. A freezing cold wind was blowing and the game was a tight, tense low scoring, ugly arm wrestle until the third term when all of the goals were scored by the opposition. Hard to get noisy in that situation.

I thought the crowd response when they ran out was good. But the whole environment was not conducive to an electric atmosphere. I was also disheartened by the rain because it meant we were in for a hard, ugly slog and that is what it was.

The days and nights I have attended where the noise was incredible contained a number of elements missing on Saturday. Perfectly fine weather-almost summer like, a crowd starved of success ( Pies vs Adelaide) in 2002, a crowd hungry for redemption and the reward of a GF after to losing to Geelong in two prelims prior to the prelim in 2010. The weather that night was sublime and the fact you have an opposition support base who are also vocal only adds to the atmosphere. The prelim last year was against a much hated club whose support base rivals ours, the hunger was very real, the hope for revenge for earlier losses during the year was a factor and glorious summer like weather all combined to create a perfect cocktail for the crowd to be hyped and loud. It was also a high scoring a fast moving. Everything our Giants clash was not. The 2018 Grand final was the loudest grand final I have attended and I've been to plenty. It was again, a game with fine weather, electric football, a hunger for this bunch of much loved players with so many back stories and our beloved Bucks to finally be rewarded. The 2011 granny was the quietist I've ever been to and I still don't know why. It was great footy and tight for three quarters. There seemed to be a huge number of theatre goers that day.

Unlike soccer crowds, we rarely manufacture crowd noise. It is usually organic and feeds off the actual action on the ground. Howe said the crowd in the last term was the loudest he has ever heard. Why? We were finally grabbing control of the game, playing on quickly and scoring. Rest assured, this will always be the case. When the crowd did start up the chant in the second term after Pendlebury's goal all the air was sucked out of us when the review showed it was touched.

Nailed it. The crowd never got involved with the first three quarters due to the rain, the game and the cold. In the last we let loose as the boys fought back.

 

[Robroy22]

I think there were a few reasons for the lack of crowd noise.The weather for a start.People don't like sitting in the rain anymore,and it does suppress crowd noise.The drab state of the game.We only kicked three goals until three quarter time and didn't score for more than an hour.And finally,with the crowd being so one sided there was no competition from the opposition supporters and it didn't draw a response from our supporters.

There's something in that line. In the olden days when 100,000+ crowds attended the MCG more folks were squashed together and we were able to have umbrellas and shelters (tarps!) to hide under. It led to much more noise and crowd involvement...today people go and hide under the shelter of the stands and the noise just dissipates.

 

[barrackers]

Cast your mind back to the 2018 prelim final, our players come out and the supporters ring a chant around the MCG, we go again when Richmond run out.

Fast forward 365 days later, we play GWS at the MCG with 99% of the crowd Collingwood supporters. Two players on the media during the week commented on how much the supporters get the players inspired and hyped for a big game.

Running out first helps, it builds the atmosphere and gets the crowd up and about to drown out the opposition when it's their turn. Tigs last year and Geelong this year are two examples.

The players come out on Saturday and three bays on level one of the Ponsford try to get it going. To no avail of the rest of the MCG.

It was more than just level one trying to get in going the top level of the Ponsford was having a fair crack too. Both Buckley and Pendlebury held the players back for an address. That delay didn't help the chant, which was initially building ok.

The whole first quarter was flat, the atmosphere was eerily similar to just another H/A mid-season fixture with nothing on the line. It wasn't until we got going in the fourth quarter where the supporters finally find their voice and lift.

The crowd was also up and about after Pendlebury's goal before it was overturned. That moment alone was pivotal in the match; my sense is we would have carried some serious momentum and upped our scoring had Pendlebury's kick not been touched.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Team plays uninspired football. Supporters uninspired.

Colour me shocked.

 

[golazo]

Being soaked from the outset and not even looking like getting the ball past half forward for the majority of the game, let alone scoring, contributed to the lack of atmosphere imo.

Gotta love people complaining about it who didn't bother rocking up. Plenty of extra seats.

 

[MarkT2]

Crowd had no impact either way. Believing we are hot favorites and should win our way through to the GF on the other hand....

 

[Hazz]

Was the crowd to blame? I was there, didn’t get a kick or even lay a tackle. Sorry to the Op and to all.
/sarc

If Bucks believes players should be self motivated then Saturday was 100% on the players.

If the result in the last quarter was achieved after a huge rev at 3qtr time from Bucks, Pendles or any of the other coaches/players then the result is a failure of the coaches mantra RE players being self motivated.